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19:55:13 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
19:55:13 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
19:55:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
19:55:14 <trackbot> Date: 13 September 2012
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19:56:46 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
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19:57:24 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2012JulSep/0081.html
19:57:57 <shadi> zakim, code?
19:57:57 <Zakim> the conference code is 9224 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), shadi
19:58:22 <MichaelC> chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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20:05:07 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2012JulSep/0086.html
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20:06:29 <Kathy> TOPIC: Website Accessibility Conformance Evaluation Methodology 1.0
20:06:30 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20120910
20:06:33 <Zakim> +??P9
20:06:41 <greggvanderheiden> Hi
20:07:10 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20120910#step4b
20:07:22 <greggvanderheiden> q+
20:07:24 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2012JulSep/0086.html
20:08:44 <Kathy> scribe: Kathy
20:08:56 <Kathy> TOPIC: Website Accessibility Conformance Evaluation Methodology 1.0
20:11:15 <MichaelC> regrets: Robin_Tuttle, Cherie_Eckholm, Alex_Li
20:11:58 <shadi> [[Reminder: Techniques and failures in the context of WCAG 2.0 are only informative. They can help assess if WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria are met by providing documented ways of meeting them and commonly occurring failures in meeting them. However, as per the WCAG 2.0 conformance requirements, only the Success Criteria must be met.]]
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20:12:18 <shadi> proposal: ADD [[And you can use any techniques that meet the success criteria, whether they are documented yet by the WCAC WG or not.]]
20:12:50 <MichaelC> q+ to say change "The evaluator must be considerate of these limitations..." replace "considerate" with "aware" or "conscious" or something
20:14:22 <Zakim> +MoeKraft
20:14:26 <greggvanderheiden> Reminder: Techniques and failures in the context of WCAG 2.0 are only informative. They can help assess if WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria are met by providing documented ways of meeting them and commonly occurring failures in meeting them. However, as per the WCAG 2.0 conformance requirements, only the Success Criteria must be met. [And you can use any techniques that meet the success criteria, whether they are documented yet by the WCAC WG or 
20:14:26 <greggvanderheiden> not.] 
20:14:53 <greggvanderheiden> WCAG 2.0 techniques are not the only way to meet WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria and WCAG 2.0 failures are not the only way in failing to meet WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria. [The working group documented] techniques and failures are not exhaustive and cannot cover every possible situation. Also, the techniques used to meet WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria during the development may not be known to the evaluator. Particularly for newly released web 
20:14:55 <greggvanderheiden> technologies, or when these web technologies are used in particular contexts, there may be no publicly or proprietary documented techniques and failures available to the evaluator. The evaluator must be considerate of these limitations when using [the] techniques and failures [provided by the WCAG working group] to evaluate conformance with WCAG 2.0.
20:16:47 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20120910#step1e
20:18:30 <David> is there a dif version up
20:19:41 <greggvanderheiden> q+
20:20:21 <Loretta> ack g
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20:22:15 <David> q+
20:22:51 <David> q-
20:23:28 <Loretta> ack m
20:23:28 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say change "The evaluator must be considerate of these limitations..." replace "considerate" with "aware" or "conscious" or something
20:25:18 <greggvanderheiden> q+
20:25:30 <Loretta> q+ to say that I agree about the use of "likely"
20:26:04 <Loretta> ack g
20:31:37 <Loretta> ack l
20:31:37 <Zakim> Loretta, you wanted to say that I agree about the use of "likely"
20:32:19 <shadi> [[WCAG 2.0 techniques are documented ways for meeting or for going beyond what is required by individual WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria. A WCAG 2.0 Success Criterion is likely met on a web page when:]]
20:32:49 <Zakim> + +1.617.584.aaaa
20:32:53 <shadi> [[Conversely, failures are documented ways of not meeting individual WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria. A WCAG 2.0 Success Criterion is likely not met on a web page when a failure applies to any instance of web content that is addressed by the WCAG 2.0 Success Criterion.]]
20:33:35 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is Andrew_Kirkpatrick
20:33:35 <Zakim> +Andrew_Kirkpatrick; got it
20:33:36 <Kathy> RESOLUTION:  In 3.4.2 remove the word "likely" from the following sentence "WCAG 2.0 techniques are documented ways for meeting or for going beyond what is required by individual WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria. A WCAG 2.0 Success Criterion is likely met on a web page when" and this sentence "Conversely, failures are documented ways of not meeting individual WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria. A WCAG 2.0 Success Criterion is likely not met on a web page when a failure appli
20:34:07 <shadi> [[WCAG 2.0 techniques are not the only way to meet WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria and WCAG 2.0 failures are not the only way in failing to meet WCAG 2.0 Success Criteria. [The working group documented] techniques and failures are not exhaustive and cannot cover every possible situation.]]
20:35:00 <greggvanderheiden> q+
20:36:05 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
20:38:24 <greggvanderheiden> ack g
20:41:45 <Loretta> WCAG-documented techniques? (note no 2.0 is intentional)
20:42:07 <shadi> [[The evaluator must be considerate of these limitations when using [the] techniques and failures [provided by the WCAG working group] to evaluate conformance with WCAG 2.0.]]
20:43:21 <Loretta> It is hard to come up with an accurate short handle for the techniques.
20:44:33 <Loretta> right. Trying to find a handle for the techniques in the Techniques document, vs a technique that is sufficient to meet a success criteria but isn't listed there.
20:46:33 <shadi> [[considerate]] -> [[be aware of]] or [[consider]]
20:47:01 <Kathy> RESOLUTION: approved for publication with the edits discussed during the meeting
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20:51:52 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Kathy, Cooper, Shadi, Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, Eric_Velleman, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Marc_Johlic, Gregg_Vanderheiden, MoeKraft,
20:51:55 <Zakim> ... +1.617.584.aaaa, Andrew_Kirkpatrick
20:52:14 <MichaelC> present- +1.617.584.aaaa
20:52:17 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
20:52:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
20:54:12 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
20:55:42 <MichaelC> zakim, drop david
20:55:42 <Zakim> David_MacDonald is being disconnected
20:55:43 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
20:55:43 <Zakim> Attendees were Kathy, Cooper, Shadi, Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, Eric_Velleman, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Marc_Johlic, Gregg_Vanderheiden, MoeKraft, +1.617.584.aaaa,
20:55:43 <Zakim> ... Andrew_Kirkpatrick
20:55:54 <MichaelC> scribeOptions: -final
20:55:58 <MichaelC> trackbot, end meeting
20:55:58 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
20:55:58 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
20:56:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
20:56:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-wai-wcag-minutes.html trackbot
20:56:07 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
20:56:07 <RRSAgent> I see no action items