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14:01:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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14:01:21 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TTML
14:01:22 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start now
14:01:22 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
14:01:22 <trackbot> Date: 13 September 2012
14:01:32 <mmartin3> chair sean hayes
14:01:38 <mmartin3> scribe mmartin3
14:01:52 <mmartin3> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:01:53 <Zakim> SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has not yet started, mmartin3
14:01:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, mike, Frans, Sean, mmartin3, trackbot
14:02:18 <mmartin3> trackbot, start meeting
14:02:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:02:22 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TTML
14:02:23 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
14:02:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
14:02:24 <trackbot> Date: 13 September 2012
14:02:40 <mmartin3> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:02:40 <Zakim> SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has not yet started, mmartin3
14:02:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, mike, Frans, Sean, mmartin3, trackbot
14:02:54 <plh> plh has joined #tt
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14:03:04 <plh> trackbot-ng, start telcon
14:03:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:03:08 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TTML
14:03:09 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
14:03:09 <trackbot> Date: 13 September 2012
14:03:16 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start 3 minutes ago
14:04:27 <mmartin3> chair sean
14:04:31 <mmartin3> scribe mmartin3
14:04:36 <mmartin3> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:04:41 <mmartin3> zakim, list attendees
14:04:46 <mmartin3> regrets+ none
14:04:53 <mmartin3> Topic:
14:04:56 <Zakim> SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has not yet started, mmartin3
14:05:00 <mmartin3> plh: Profile published.
14:05:01 <plh> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-ttml10-sdp-us-20120913/
14:05:06 <Zakim> sorry, mmartin3, I don't know what conference this is
14:05:06 <plh> http://www.w3.org/TR/ttml10-sdp-us/
14:05:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see pal, plh, Zakim, RRSAgent, mike, Frans, Sean, mmartin3, trackbot
14:05:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-minutes.html plh
14:06:56 <mmartin3> Topic: Issues
14:07:14 <mmartin3> sean: Discuss editorial items.
14:07:18 <mmartin3> mmartin3: See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Sep/0019.html
14:08:16 <mmartin3> Glenn responded to the editorial issues.
14:08:22 <mmartin3> plh: No checked in. 
14:08:29 <mmartin3> sean: Do after published draft.
14:08:48 <mmartin3> plh: Republish to integrate changes.
14:12:02 <mmartin3> Section 6.6.2
14:12:17 <mmartin3> sean: Can't have note; must be consistent with TTML 1.0.
14:13:03 <mmartin3> Could add a note that is specific to TTML 1.0.
14:13:32 <mmartin3> create action monica add note to section 6.6.2 to ttml 1.0 section to give guidance.
14:14:00 <plh> action: monica add note to section 6.6.2 to ttml 1.0 section to give guidance.
14:14:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-97 - Add note to section 6.6.2 to ttml 1.0 section to give guidance. [on Monica Martin - due 2012-09-20].
14:14:43 <mmartin3> : No more than four lines of text MUST be selected into a region at any given time.
14:14:55 <mmartin3> No more than four lines of text MUST be selected into all active regions at any given time.
14:15:06 <mmartin3> sean: Mimic CEA-608.
14:15:28 <mmartin3> mike: Necessary to constrain?
14:15:37 <Michael> Michael has joined #tt
14:15:43 <mmartin3> sean: Currently infers you could have up to 16 lines.
14:15:54 <gfreed> gfreed has joined #tt
14:16:07 <mmartin3> sean: Constrain text delivery rate.
14:18:13 <mmartin3> mike: Unnecessary. Can you be more specific to what is needed.
14:18:29 <mmartin3> sean: Limit processing power.
14:21:47 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Section 7.1.1
14:22:52 <mmartin3> mike: Add "a total". Need at a given time?
14:23:04 <mmartin3> sean: Can delete "at a given time."
14:23:22 <mmartin3> action: Monica revise proposal Section 7.1.1 from:
14:23:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-98 - Revise proposal Section 7.1.1 from: [on Monica Martin - due 2012-09-20].
14:23:31 <mmartin3> No more than four lines of text MUST be selected into all active regions at any given time.
14:23:45 <mmartin3> Change to: No more than a total of four lines of text MUST be selected into all active regions/
14:23:49 <mmartin3> c//.
14:24:33 <mmartin3> Section 8.1.2
14:24:42 <mmartin3> Change from: Durations (dur) SHALL only be used on the span element.
14:24:49 <mmartin3> Change to:  Durations (dur) SHALL only be used on the span element for rollup style content.
14:25:10 <mmartin3> Section 8.2.1
14:25:45 <mmartin3> Conflict – The time-offset-with-frames feature requires #subFrameRate feature. We only use #frameRate and #frameRateMultiplier features. The time-offset-with-frames was mistakenly included to pertain to the hh:mm:ss:ff notation. This is not the case.  The time-offset-with-frames pertains to the 100f notation. 
14:27:17 <mmartin3> mike: May need more attention to do cleanup to align TTML 1.0.
14:27:31 <mmartin3> Check against second edition.
14:27:48 <mike> o rmaybe 3rd edition
14:27:50 <mmartin3> Section 8.3
14:28:10 <mmartin3> Note: Use of the #frameRateMultiplier is optional in the document (see Section 10). 
14:28:16 <mmartin3> Add this note.
14:28:57 <mmartin3>  Abstract
14:29:11 <mmartin3> Change from: This interoperability profile is a proper subset of TTML 1.0 plus features required to support US Government closed captioning requirements for online presentation.
14:29:22 <mmartin3> Change to: This interoperability profile is a proper subset of TTML 1.0 to support features required for US Government closed captioning requirements for online presentation.
14:30:21 <mmartin3> mike: What about easy reader?
14:30:43 <mmartin3> sean: What is the concern?
14:31:10 <mmartin3> sean: Explains wording.
14:31:26 <mmartin3> mike: Both are wrong.
14:31:41 <mmartin3> Doesn't handle them all.
14:32:01 <mmartin3> Need to soften text.
14:32:30 <mmartin3> action: Monica To soften text in Abstract regarding USG requirements. 
14:32:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-99 - Soften text in Abstract regarding USG requirements.  [on Monica Martin - due 2012-09-20].
14:33:07 <mmartin3> Updates to fontFamily weren’t reflected in A.1.
14:33:17 <mmartin3> Change from: The casual, cursive and smallcap styles could be considered for addition to <genericFamilyName> expression in a future version of TTML.
14:33:31 <mmartin3> Change to: The casual, cursive and smallCaps styles could be considered for TTML 1.1.
14:34:38 <mmartin3> “Error handling behavior is found in Error Handling.” 
14:34:44 <mmartin3> add a link and this note.
14:34:55 <mmartin3> Conformance section
14:35:09 <mmartin3> Use smallCaps on all references.
14:35:20 <mmartin3> Across the document.
14:35:32 <mmartin3> Correct example numbering: Example 1 has no E000X.  Example 2-4 have incorrect example numbers (i.e. Example 2 is E0001, Example 3 is E0002, etc.).
14:35:52 <mmartin3> Issue: Background color and color have "named colors" but should be expressed in #rrggbbaa format only. Proposal: Implement change found here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Aug/0043.html.  Proposed by Andrew Tai.
14:35:52 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-181 - Background color and color have "named colors" but should be expressed in #rrggbbaa format only. Proposal: Implement change found here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Aug/0043.html.  Proposed by Andrew Tai. ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/181/edit .
14:36:29 <mmartin3> Andreas not Andrew
14:36:46 <mmartin3> Add Glenn as the editor.
14:38:03 <mmartin3> Action: Glenn implement changes requested with the actions identified for SDP-US FPWD.
14:38:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-100 - Implement changes requested with the actions identified for SDP-US FPWD. [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-09-20].
14:38:16 <mmartin3> Topic: Liaison document
14:38:38 <mmartin3> plh: Where did the request go?
14:38:47 <mmartin3> mike: Sent to member list.
14:38:53 <mmartin3> plh, sean: Didn't see it.
14:39:31 <mmartin3> Went into moderation list.
14:41:21 <plh> From mdolan@newtbt.com Wed Sep 12 13:24:02 2012
14:41:21 <plh>  Subject: [Moderator Action (size limit exceeded)] FW: SMPTE Liaison to W3C on 
14:41:21 <plh>  
14:42:31 <mmartin3> mike: Will resend the email.
14:42:55 <mmartin3> sean: TTWG members only.
14:43:22 <mmartin3> Discuss next week.
14:43:49 <Frans> very hard to follow
14:43:56 <mmartin3> Action-82?
14:43:56 <trackbot> ACTION-82 -- Monica Martin to check on mapping of 708 7F -- due 2012-08-16 -- OPEN
14:43:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/82
14:45:17 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Add note that glyphs are player dependent.
14:46:06 <plh> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-archive/2012Sep/0213.html
14:46:11 <plh> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-archive/2012Sep/0214.html
14:46:16 <plh> q+
14:47:29 <mmartin3> mike: Will put the proper headers and send the email.
14:48:02 <mmartin3> Back to Action-82.
14:48:04 <mmartin3>  Note: The glyphs used for specific fonts are player dependent.
14:48:25 <Frans> Have to go - as announced. Thank you. Intend to join next one again.
14:49:03 <mmartin3> sean: Restates proposal.
14:50:21 <mmartin3> mike: Has to be consistent with the Unicode.
14:50:30 <mmartin3> sean: Exact appearance of the symbol.
14:51:25 <Sean> should reflect the semantics as stated in unicode, but the exact  glyph is player dependant
14:51:27 <mmartin3> Action: Monica Revise proposal for Action-82 for the Note to reflect: Should reflect semantics suggested in Unicode but the actual symbol is player dependent.
14:51:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-101 - Revise proposal for Action-82 for the Note to reflect: Should reflect semantics suggested in Unicode but the actual symbol is player dependent. [on Monica Martin - due 2012-09-20].
14:53:23 <mmartin3> Topic: New member
14:53:28 <mmartin3> Adobe, Michael Jordan
14:53:38 <mmartin3> Topic: Special meeting Sept 21
14:53:49 <mmartin3> sean: In addition to Sept 20 meeting
14:54:03 <mmartin3> Close issues then.
14:54:22 <mmartin3> mike: See comments I made.
14:55:44 <mmartin3> mike: Happy to close Action-82 with updated text.
14:55:54 <mmartin3> Close Action-82 with revised text.
14:56:12 <mmartin3> zakim, list attendees
14:56:12 <Zakim> sorry, mmartin3, I don't know what conference this is
14:56:21 <Michael> exit
14:56:26 <mmartin3> zakim, conference is #tt
14:56:26 <Zakim> sorry, mmartin3, I do not recognize a party named 'conference'
14:56:27 <Michael> Michael has left #tt
14:56:39 <mmartin3> trackbot, end meeting
14:56:39 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:56:39 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
14:56:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:56:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-minutes.html trackbot
14:56:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:56:48 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-actions.rdf :
14:56:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: monica add note to section 6.6.2 to ttml 1.0 section to give guidance. [1]
14:56:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-irc#T14-14-00
14:56:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Monica revise proposal Section 7.1.1 from: [2]
14:56:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-irc#T14-23-22
14:56:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Monica To soften text in Abstract regarding USG requirements.  [3]
14:56:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-irc#T14-32-30
14:56:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Glenn implement changes requested with the actions identified for SDP-US FPWD. [4]
14:56:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-irc#T14-38-03
14:56:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Monica Revise proposal for Action-82 for the Note to reflect: Should reflect semantics suggested in Unicode but the actual symbol is player dependent. [5]
14:56:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-tt-irc#T14-51-27