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13:28:40 <sharper> zakim, please clear the agenda
13:28:40 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:28:42 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
13:28:44 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
13:28:44 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
13:28:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
13:28:45 <trackbot> Date: 12 September 2012
13:28:49 <sharper> Chair: Harper_Simon
13:28:49 <sharper> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]
13:28:49 <sharper> Agenda+ E2R Call Distribution Status (10m) - [klaus]
13:28:50 <sharper> Agenda+ Next Topic Discussions (10m) [all]
13:28:50 <sharper> Agenda+ CfP Simplified Page Format (15m) [peter]
13:28:50 <sharper> Agenda+ Alternative Teleconferencing Service (15m) [shadi]
13:28:51 <sharper> Agenda+ Alternative Conference Publishing Venues (15m) [all]
13:28:53 <sharper> Agenda+ Issues and Actions (Standing Item): https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/ [sharper]
13:28:56 <sharper> Agenda+ Any Other Business (Standing Item) [sharper] 
13:28:58 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started
13:28:59 <sharper> zakim, save agenda
13:29:06 <sharper> rrsagent, make logs public
13:29:06 <sharper> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:29:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/12-rd-minutes.html sharper
13:29:08 <Zakim> ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2012/09/12-rd-agenda.rdf
13:29:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:29:12 <sharper> zakim, take up item 1
13:29:12 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
13:29:24 <Zakim> +??P1
13:29:43 <vivienne> zakim, ??P1 is me
13:29:43 <Zakim> +vivienne; got it
13:29:53 <Justin_> Justin_ has joined #rd
13:30:11 <Zakim> +Shadi
13:30:23 <shadi> zakim, who is on the call?
13:30:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], vivienne, Shadi
13:30:31 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
13:30:43 <sharper> Regrets: Yeliz, Markel, Josh, Klaus, Peter, Kerstin
13:31:02 <Zakim> +??P5
13:31:08 <Zakim> -??P5
13:31:28 <christos> christos has joined #rd
13:31:39 <vivienne> sorry all I won't be able to participate as my microphone has given up the ghost
13:31:54 <Yehya> Yehya has joined #rd
13:32:14 <shadi> zakim, who is on the call?
13:32:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], vivienne, Shadi, [IPcaller.a]
13:32:17 <giorgio> giorgio has joined #rd
13:32:28 <Justin_> she wore it out
13:32:29 <Zakim> +??P6
13:32:31 <vivienne> actually no sound at all, so I guess I'll have to give my regrets for this week
13:32:35 <vivienne> no funny Justin!
13:32:42 <christos> zakim, ??P16 is me
13:32:42 <Zakim> sorry, christos, I do not recognize a party named '??P16'
13:32:50 <christos> zakim, ??P6 is me
13:32:50 <Zakim> +christos; got it
13:33:01 <Luz> zakim, ??P8 is me
13:33:01 <Zakim> I already had ??P8 as meetingroom, Luz
13:33:06 <christos> zakim, mute me
13:33:06 <Zakim> christos should now be muted
13:33:11 <mirrisil> mirrisil has joined #rd
13:33:17 <shadi> ipcaller.a
13:33:23 <vivienne> vivienne has left #rd
13:33:26 <Zakim> +??P7
13:33:44 <giorgio> zakim, ??p7 is giorgio
13:33:44 <Zakim> +giorgio; got it
13:34:27 <Luz> zakim, IPcaller.a is me
13:34:27 <Zakim> +Luz; got it
13:34:37 <Luz> zakim, mute me
13:34:37 <Zakim> Luz should now be muted
13:34:52 <Zakim> +??P9
13:35:06 <sharper> Please get started - I'm having SIP problems.
13:35:33 <shadi> regrets: Klaus, Kerstin, Peter, Markel, Shawn, Yeliz, Joshue
13:35:45 <shadi> zakim, who is on the call?
13:35:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], vivienne, Shadi, Luz (muted), christos (muted), giorgio, ??P9
13:35:47 <Zakim> +Yehya
13:35:59 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is mirrisil 
13:35:59 <Zakim> +mirrisil; got it
13:36:20 <shadi> zakim, who is on the call?
13:36:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see mirrisil, vivienne, Shadi, Luz (muted), christos (muted), giorgio, ??P9, Yehya
13:36:59 <Justin_> zakim, ??P9 is me
13:36:59 <Zakim> +Justin_; got it
13:37:09 <christos> yes
13:37:20 <shadi> scribe: christos 
13:37:28 <Zakim> -Justin_
13:37:32 <shadi> agenda?
13:37:51 <christos> zakim, ack me
13:37:52 <Zakim> unmuting christos
13:37:52 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
13:38:05 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
13:38:05 <Zakim> agendum 2. "E2R Call Distribution Status (10m) -" taken up [from klaus via sharper]
13:38:51 <christos> this item to checkthat we all have been sharing the E2R call that we published last week
13:38:58 <Zakim> +??P9
13:39:09 <annika> zakim, ??P9 is me
13:39:09 <Zakim> +annika; got it
13:39:12 <christos> shadi: this item to checkthat we all have been sharing the E2R call that we published last week
13:39:29 <annika> zakim, mute me
13:39:29 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
13:39:35 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Distribution_Lists
13:40:39 <annika> +q
13:40:52 <annika> ack me
13:41:01 <christos> shadi: there are couple more for Yeliz to sent... do you think there are other list useful for distribution
13:41:34 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2012JulSep/0341.html
13:41:46 <Zakim> -giorgio
13:41:47 <christos> annika: there is an event about E2R that I would like to distribute it..
13:42:45 <christos> shadi: feel free to use the ones in the web site
13:42:48 <annika> zakim, mute me
13:42:48 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
13:42:49 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 1
13:42:49 <Zakim> agendum 1, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), closed
13:42:49 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:42:49 <Zakim> 2. E2R Call Distribution Status (10m) - [from klaus via sharper]
13:42:57 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:42:57 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Next Topic Discussions (10m)" taken up [from all]
13:43:05 <Luz> One question
13:43:19 <Luz> zakim, unmute me
13:43:19 <Zakim> Luz should no longer be muted
13:43:42 <Luz> Corpora List
13:43:54 <christos> Luz: maybe we could sent it the Corpora list 
13:43:58 <Luz> Ok
13:44:12 <christos> Shadi: great... when you sent it update the wiki page
13:44:15 <Luz> zakim, mute m
13:44:15 <Zakim> mirrisil should now be muted
13:44:17 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/
13:44:22 <Luz> zakim, mute me
13:44:22 <Zakim> Luz should now be muted
13:44:51 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Main_Page#Proposed_Research_Topics_.28in_Chronological_Order_of_Creation.29
13:45:13 <christos> shadi: this topic is about for the next topic.... we still need to feed more information in the wiki
13:45:37 <christos> shadi: from this list we pick up a topic for the next symposia...
13:46:07 <christos> shadi: we also need to have some volunteers for the next topic....
13:46:29 <christos> shadi: does anyone have any idea?
13:47:09 <christos> shadi: justin you expressed an interest in elearnign...
13:47:37 <christos> Justin: I am going to update the topic within the next week
13:48:04 <christos> shadi: you all have write access to the wiki so feel free to add your topic
13:48:14 <Luz> Yes,
13:48:50 <christos> shadi: Luz I know you are involve in language technology. Are there any topics you are interested to...?
13:48:56 <Luz> I think they mainly fit in easy to read.
13:49:19 <Luz> I will think about it.
13:49:19 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:49:19 <Zakim> agendum 4. "CfP Simplified Page Format (15m)" taken up [from peter]
13:49:52 <shadi> zakim, drop agendum 4
13:49:52 <Zakim> agendum 4, CfP Simplified Page Format (15m), dropped
13:49:55 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:49:55 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Alternative Teleconferencing Service (15m)" taken up [from shadi]
13:50:03 <christos> shadi; we still don't know what this is about... so we'll drop it for now
13:50:23 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:50:23 <Zakim> agendum 5 was just opened, shadi
13:50:28 <christos> shadi: we were hoping to use another system today but will see it for the next week
13:50:31 <shadi> zakim, drop agendum 5
13:50:31 <Zakim> agendum 5, Alternative Teleconferencing Service (15m), dropped
13:50:33 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:50:33 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Alternative Conference Publishing Venues (15m)" taken up [from all]
13:51:12 <christos> shadi: The idea is to try to exted our work in to research arena...
13:51:49 <christos> shadi; many researchers may not be aware of the group and our work so the idea is to organise follow up events from our symposia
13:52:11 <christos> shadi: in order to increase publicitiy
13:52:40 <christos> shadi: for the metrics we had a follow up in the ICCHP... many of them from the symposia na some other new\
13:53:29 <christos> shadi: one of the caveats is that when authros publish twice about the same topic this might lower the reference index of their papers...
13:54:09 <christos> shadi: selecting the venues is also important
13:54:53 <christos> shadi: I don;t know if there are any other siggestions of making our work here more visible to the world outside
13:55:04 <christos> shadi: any thoughts?
13:55:07 <Luz> I agree selecting the venue is important
13:55:40 <shadi> http://www.hcii2013.org/
13:56:06 <christos> one of the possibilities is on the hci2013 ... we might be able to organise something on mobile accessibility
13:56:20 <christos> shadi: one of the possibilities is on the hci2013 ... we might be able to organise something on mobile accessibility
13:56:22 <Luz> Could it be possible (we are late for the workshop proposals) but maybe a special session in WWW 2013? (Similar to the one you did with the european congress).
13:56:37 <Yehya> Deadline for Abstract Receipt: Friday, 12 October 2012
13:56:45 <Luz> I mean European Project
13:57:23 <christos> shadi: I can look at that... 
13:57:41 <christos> shadi: usually we can do tutorials or workshops
13:57:47 <sharper> sharper has joined #rd
13:57:49 <Luz> zakiim, unmute me
13:57:55 <christos> shadi: do we have the date?
13:57:55 <Luz> zakim, unmute me
13:57:55 <Zakim> Luz should no longer be muted
13:58:21 <Zakim> +??P11
13:58:38 <giorgio> zakim, ??p11 is giorgio
13:58:38 <Zakim> +giorgio; got it
13:59:23 <sharper>  has anyone dialled in to zakim@voip.w3.org ?
13:59:37 <giorgio> yes, I just did, simon.
13:59:55 <annika> q+
14:00:00 <sharper> OK so there must be a problem my end
14:00:09 <Luz> zakim, mute me
14:00:09 <Zakim> Luz should now be muted
14:00:12 <Yehya> Yes, HCII
14:00:20 <annika> sharper: which client?
14:00:35 <annika> ack mde
14:00:39 <annika> ack me
14:00:44 <christos> shadi: I am more interesting in feed back on this process
14:00:52 <sharper> Jitsi and Telephone - both for mac
14:01:23 <Luz> ACL, NAACL, Coling, EACL.
14:01:32 <christos> annika: I was thinking about it.... maybe for e2r we might try a conference on computational linguistic and similar
14:01:57 <Luz> http://acl2013.org/site/
14:02:02 <christos> shadi: excellent, we can check them out...
14:02:14 <Luz> NAACL is yearly.
14:02:24 <christos> annika: ACL in next year but the other ones might be avery other year...
14:02:41 <giorgio> q+
14:02:46 <annika> zakim,  mute me
14:02:46 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
14:02:49 <christos> shadi: how people feel that this impacts our publications
14:03:07 <christos> giorgio: i tend to say that it is a negative thing
14:03:30 <christos> giorgio: i would like to see the papers to be present only in our symposium
14:03:54 <christos> giorgio: it should be clear thet they are shatelite events and point ot the main one
14:04:04 <Justin_> +1
14:04:07 <shadi> http://www.icchp.org/node/370
14:04:27 <shadi> [[This Special Thematic Session (STS) is a continuation of the W3C/WAI Online Symposium on Website Accessibility Metrics held on 5 December 2011]]
14:04:59 <christos> shadi: we are trying to improve it
14:05:26 <christos> shadi: the idea was we were hoping to link the report to the proceedings
14:06:13 <christos> shadi: i wonder if we can take this follow up as an example and see how can we improve it
14:06:17 <giorgio> q+
14:06:21 <annika> q+
14:07:23 <christos> giorgio: this approach whould be a big improvemnt (poinitng to the main symposia)... could we have some analytics of how many views had the pages of the symposia
14:08:03 <giorgio> ok, thank
14:08:10 <christos> shadi: there is problem with that because the web site is heavily used and we are trying to adjust that to have better analytics
14:08:19 <annika> ack me
14:08:31 <giorgio> q-
14:09:04 <giorgio> q+
14:09:43 <christos> annika: i think that following up on other events is a good way to create new events for following up the research topics
14:10:05 <christos> shadi: the idea is to continue the discussion
14:10:32 <christos> shadi: coming to them later and seeing what happened to them is interesting
14:10:40 <annika> zakim, mute me
14:10:40 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
14:10:50 <christos> giorgio: i think there should be follow up events....
14:11:16 <christos> giorgio: i wouldn;t like the same information to be disseminated in many locations...
14:11:43 <christos> giorgio: subsequent event can be interesting for continuing the discussion
14:11:48 <annika> annika: agree with giorgio. What it is good timing for a follow-up event?
14:12:19 <christos> shadi: maybe leaving a longer period for the event might be a better approach?
14:13:20 <christos> giorgio: this might be a better way.... but in other cases you might need a continuation sooner because new information coming....
14:14:22 <christos> shadi: so most of us think it is a good idea but we need to take care for the venues, timing and other issues...
14:14:48 <christos> shadi: any other reactions to that?
14:14:50 <giorgio> more or less ok wih me
14:15:41 <christos> shadi: we will discuss it in the future again
14:16:14 <christos> shadi: any other business?
14:16:26 <shadi> Topic: Role Call
14:16:52 <christos> shadi: i was hoping to have simon on the call otherwise I would like to have one more introduciton role
14:16:59 <Luz> Welcome :-)!
14:17:24 <shadi> ack mirrisil 
14:17:31 <giorgio> ack me
14:18:55 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:18:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see mirrisil, vivienne, Shadi, Luz (muted), christos, Yehya, annika (muted), giorgio
14:19:22 <Zakim> -giorgio
14:19:48 <christos> mirrisil: intorduced herself
14:20:02 <christos> justin: introdiced himself
14:20:03 <Zakim> +??P11
14:20:10 <Luz> zakim, unmute me
14:20:10 <Zakim> Luz should no longer be muted
14:20:14 <giorgio> zakim, ??p11 is giorgio
14:20:14 <Zakim> +giorgio; got it
14:20:27 <christos> luz: introduces herself
14:20:44 <Luz> zakim, mute me
14:20:44 <Zakim> Luz should now be muted
14:21:43 <christos> christos: introduces himself
14:21:59 <christos> yehya: introduces himself
14:22:03 <annika> zakim, unmute me
14:22:03 <Zakim> annika should no longer be muted
14:22:16 <christos> annika: introduces herself
14:22:54 <christos> giorgio: introduces himself
14:22:54 <annika> zakim, mute me
14:22:54 <Zakim> annika should now be muted
14:23:02 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=47076&public=1
14:23:25 <christos> shadi: many other people are on the working group and you can see the list in the url
14:23:35 <mirrisil> sure!
14:23:40 <giorgio> bye
14:23:43 <Luz> See you!
14:23:44 <christos> goodbye
14:23:45 <mirrisil> bye
14:23:45 <Zakim> -giorgio
14:23:47 <annika> bye
14:23:51 <Zakim> -Yehya
14:23:53 <Zakim> -annika
14:23:53 <shadi> traxkbot, end meetin
14:23:55 <Zakim> -vivienne
14:23:56 <shadi> traxkbot, end meeting
14:23:56 <Zakim> -christos
14:24:00 <sharper> sharper has left #rd
14:24:02 <Zakim> -Luz
14:24:04 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:24:37 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:24:37 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:24:37 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been vivienne, Shadi, christos, giorgio, Luz, Yehya, mirrisil, Justin_, annika
14:24:45 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:24:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/12-rd-minutes.html trackbot
14:24:46 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:24:46 <RRSAgent> I see no action items