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13:03:31 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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13:03:33 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
13:03:33 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 57 minutes
13:03:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
13:03:35 <trackbot> Date: 12 September 2012
13:04:13 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0049.html
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13:45:05 <dtran> +Present Dzung_Tran
13:45:32 <ccourtney> +Present Colin_Courtney
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13:55:02 <fjh> Chair : Frederick_Hirsch
13:55:19 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
13:56:06 <fjh> Topic: Agenda review, Announcements
13:56:29 <fjh> s/Announcements/Administrative, Announcements/
13:56:41 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
13:56:48 <Zakim> + +1.757.825.aaaa
13:57:05 <fjh> zakim, where is 757?
13:57:05 <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.757 is Virginia
13:57:33 <ccourtney> Yes
13:57:45 <fjh> zakiim, aaaa is ccourtney
13:57:48 <fjh> s/Yes//
13:58:10 <Jungkee> Jungkee has joined #dap
13:58:24 <Jungkee> Present+ Jungkee_Song
13:58:36 <Zakim> +??P13
13:58:41 <fjh> s/zakiim, aaaa is ccourtney//
13:58:48 <fjh> zakim, aaaa is ccourtney
13:58:48 <Zakim> +ccourtney; got it
13:58:59 <fjh> zakim, ??P13 is me
13:58:59 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
13:59:02 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:59:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see ccourtney, fjh
13:59:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see Jungkee, dcheng3, dtran, ccourtney, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, AlexanderSalas, darobin, richt, mounir, Josh_Soref, slightlyoff, tobie, trackbot, hiroto, dom
13:59:04 <Cathy> Cathy has joined #dap
13:59:12 <fjh> ScribeNick: fjh
13:59:35 <Zakim> + +1.503.542.aabb
13:59:58 <fjh> zakim, where is 503?
13:59:58 <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.503 is Oregon
14:00:19 <Zakim> +??P15
14:00:27 <fjh> zakim, aabb is dtran
14:00:27 <Zakim> +dtran; got it
14:00:34 <Jungkee> zakim, ??P15 is me
14:00:34 <Zakim> +Jungkee; got it
14:00:42 <Zakim> + +49.173.537.aacc
14:00:55 <dcheng3> Present+ Diana_Cheng
14:01:08 <dcheng3> zakim, aacc is dcheng3
14:01:08 <Zakim> +dcheng3; got it
14:01:43 <bryan> bryan has joined #dap
14:01:45 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:01:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see ccourtney, fjh, dtran (muted), Jungkee, dcheng3
14:01:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see bryan, Cathy, Jungkee, dcheng3, dtran, ccourtney, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, AlexanderSalas, darobin, richt, mounir, Josh_Soref, slightlyoff, tobie, trackbot, hiroto, dom
14:02:05 <Zakim> + +1.425.214.aadd
14:02:16 <bryan> present+ Bryan_Sullivan
14:02:33 <AlexanderSalas> present+ Alexander Salas
14:02:59 <Zakim> + +1.858.750.aaee
14:03:20 <gmandyam> gmandyam has joined #dap
14:03:23 <fjh> zakim, where is 425?
14:03:23 <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.425 is Washington
14:03:29 <fjh> zakim, where is 858?
14:03:29 <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.858 is California
14:03:38 <gmandyam> Giri Mandyam (QuIC) joining from area code (858)
14:03:47 <bryan> zakim, aadd is bryan
14:03:47 <Zakim> +bryan; got it
14:03:55 <fjh> zakim, aaee is gmandyam
14:03:55 <Zakim> +gmandyam; got it
14:04:09 <dsr> dsr has joined #dap
14:04:11 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:04:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see ccourtney, fjh, dtran (muted), Jungkee, dcheng3, bryan, gmandyam
14:04:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see dsr, gmandyam, bryan, Cathy, Jungkee, dcheng3, dtran, ccourtney, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, AlexanderSalas, darobin, richt, mounir, Josh_Soref, slightlyoff, tobie,
14:04:13 <Zakim> ... trackbot, hiroto, dom
14:04:21 <Zakim> +Dsr
14:04:39 <Zakim> + +46.1.08.01.aaff
14:04:59 <AnssiK> AnssiK has joined #dap
14:05:04 <Claes> Claes has joined #dap
14:05:12 <AnssiK> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
14:05:15 <Zakim> +??P21
14:05:26 <Cathy> zakin, ??P21 is me
14:05:37 <Zakim> +??P24
14:05:45 <Cathy> zakim, ??P21 is me
14:05:45 <Zakim> +Cathy; got it
14:05:46 <AnssiK> zakim, ??P24 is me
14:05:46 <Zakim> +AnssiK; got it
14:05:59 <Cathy> s/zakin, ??P21 is me//
14:06:14 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:06:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see ccourtney, fjh, dtran (muted), Jungkee, dcheng3, bryan, gmandyam, Dsr, +46.1.08.01.aaff, Cathy, AnssiK
14:06:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see Claes, AnssiK, dsr, gmandyam, bryan, Cathy, Jungkee, dcheng3, dtran, ccourtney, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, AlexanderSalas, darobin, richt, mounir, Josh_Soref, slightlyoff,
14:06:23 <Zakim> ... tobie, trackbot, hiroto, dom
14:06:25 <fjh> zakim, who is making noise?
14:06:48 <Zakim> fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: fjh (50%), Jungkee (81%), +46.1.08.01.aaff (9%)
14:06:57 <fjh> zakim, mute jungkee
14:06:58 <Jungkee> zakim, mute me
14:06:59 <Cathy> Present+ Cathy_Chan
14:07:07 <Zakim> Jungkee should now be muted
14:07:10 <Zakim> Jungkee was already muted, Jungkee
14:07:10 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:07:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see ccourtney, fjh, dtran (muted), Jungkee (muted), dcheng3, bryan, gmandyam, Dsr, +46.1.08.01.aaff, Cathy, AnssiK
14:07:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see Claes, AnssiK, dsr, gmandyam, bryan, Cathy, Jungkee, dcheng3, dtran, ccourtney, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, AlexanderSalas, darobin, richt, mounir, Josh_Soref, slightlyoff,
14:07:27 <Zakim> ... tobie, trackbot, hiroto, dom
14:07:41 <Claes> Present+ Claes_Nilsson
14:07:49 <dsr> scribenick: dsr
14:07:51 <fjh> proposed RESOLUTION: Cancel following 2012 DAP teleconferences: 10 October, 8 Nov (week after TPAC), 20 Nov (US thanksgiving week), 19 December, 26 December.
14:08:31 <dsr> fjh: propose to cancel Oct 10 call, Nov 20, and Dec 19, 26. Any objections?
14:08:51 <dsr> Resolution: Cancel following 2012 DAP teleconferences: 10 October, 8 Nov (week after TPAC), 20 Nov (US thanksgiving week), 19 December, 26 December.
14:09:02 <dsr> RESOLUTION: Cancel following 2012 DAP teleconferences: 10 October, 8 Nov (week after TPAC), 20 Nov (US thanksgiving week), 19 December, 26 December.
14:09:04 <fjh> Please remember to complete the WG questionnaire for the F2F  and also the TPAC registration as well as making your travel arrangements.
14:09:05 <fjh> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/dapf2ftpac2012/  ;  http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/Overview.html#Registration
14:09:17 <fjh> Please suggest topics for DAP F2F agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/F2F_Agenda_1-2_November_TPAC_Lyon_France
14:09:44 <dsr> We are looking for topics for the TPAC F2F. There will be a web intents discussion in webapps on the Tuesday.
14:10:00 <fjh> Call for Review of Content Security Policy 1.0, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0020.html
14:10:03 <dsr> Media TF also on the plan. perhaps for Tuesday too.
14:10:16 <fjh> s|Resolution: Cancel following 2012 DAP teleconferences: 10 October, 8 Nov (week after TPAC), 20 Nov (US thanksgiving week), 19 December, 26 December.||
14:10:27 <dsr> Topic: Approval of last minutes
14:10:30 <fjh> Approve minutes from 29 August 2012
14:10:30 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/att-0008/minutes-2012-08-29.html
14:10:37 <fjh> proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 29 August 2012 are approved.
14:10:44 <dsr>  RESOLUTION: Minutes from 29 August 2012 are approved.
14:11:11 <dsr> Topic: Contents Intent Draft
14:11:15 <fjh> proposed RESOLUTION: Add Jungkee Song as editor of Pick Contacts Intent draft
14:11:24 <dsr> No objections
14:11:30 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0003.html 
14:11:31 <dsr> RESOLUTION: Add Jungkee Song as editor of Pick Contacts Intent draft
14:11:38 <fjh> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/contacts/Overview.html
14:11:50 <Cathy> s/Contents Intent/Pick Contacts Intent/
14:12:07 <Jungkee> Not yet
14:12:11 <dsr> fjh: trying to work with Dom to fix script to keep the home page up to date.
14:12:16 <Jungkee> but I have a few things to start with
14:12:28 <Jungkee> and as we discussed at the last call
14:12:44 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:12:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see ccourtney, fjh, dtran (muted), Jungkee (muted), dcheng3, bryan, gmandyam, Dsr, +46.1.08.01.aaff, Cathy, AnssiK
14:12:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see Claes, AnssiK, dsr, gmandyam, bryan, Cathy, Jungkee, dcheng3, dtran, ccourtney, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, AlexanderSalas, darobin, richt, mounir, Josh_Soref, slightlyoff,
14:12:46 <Zakim> ... tobie, trackbot, hiroto, dom
14:12:57 <Jungkee> alright
14:13:40 <dsr> Topic: WebIntents Addendum - Local Services
14:13:44 <fjh> http://w3c-test.org/dap/wi-addendum-local-services/
14:14:04 <dsr> fjh: still a bunch of edits pending based upon email discussions
14:14:17 <Cathy> I think my comments on this draft have been addressed
14:14:31 <dsr> Claes: where are we in respect to publication?
14:14:59 <dsr> Claes: we had comment from Cathy early and we are now waiting for comments on the latest version of the draft.
14:15:39 <dsr> Claes: the mDNS part is new and needs review.
14:16:17 <dsr> fjh: maybe you should email DAP and Web Intents TF asking for that review?
14:16:28 <dsr> Claes: okay, will send a reminder.
14:17:01 <dsr> fjh: after that we will decide on doing a CfC at the next DAP call.
14:17:12 <dsr> fjh: any other concerns?
14:17:35 <Zakim> + +46.1.07.15.aagg
14:17:36 <dsr> Claes: I have an action to work on a hidden (?)
14:18:06 <dsr> fjh: if you have anything else to say on SSL that might be helpful.
14:18:17 <dsr> Topic: Networked Service Discovery and Messaging
14:18:24 <fjh> http://w3c-test.org/dap/discovery-api/
14:18:31 <Cathy> s/(?)/disposition/
14:18:38 <dsr> fjh: we are getting close to being ready to publish updated WD
14:19:17 <dsr> fjh: will send an informal message to Rich, and then decide if we are ready for a CfC.
14:19:22 <Cathy> There are still some comments that have not been addressed.
14:19:38 <dsr> fjh: we need to get those addressed first.
14:19:55 <dsr> Topic: Vibration API
14:20:02 <fjh> Change to partial interface. Testing offer by Marcos, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0014.html
14:20:33 <dsr> fjh: we are in CR, and may need to revert to LCWD
14:20:42 <Zakim> + +1.289.261.aahh
14:20:52 <dsr> shouldn't be a big deal given the implementation experience
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14:22:15 <dsr> Ansi: Changing to a partial interface effects the implementation, and this is actually aligned with the implementations
14:22:23 <fjh> given that the change to partial interface is almost editorial, not changing current implementations, but maybe reuse, maybe a LC is not required
14:22:37 <fjh> s/Ansi/Anssi/
14:23:20 <Josh_Soref> Scribe: Josh_Soref 
14:23:21 <fjh> http://w3c-test.org/dap/tests/vibration/
14:23:34 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: we're doing test suites
14:23:36 <dsr> Dave: I suspect the decision of reverting to LCWD would depend on whether we feel we still need more feedback from implementers.
14:23:41 <Josh_Soref> ... and we have reports from the browsers
14:23:44 <Josh_Soref> ... so you can see their status
14:23:58 <Josh_Soref> fjh: do you have a link?
14:24:03 <AnssiK> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/ImplementationStatus#Vibration_API
14:24:04 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: let me get it
14:24:30 <Josh_Soref> fjh: maybe we should add this to the homepage
14:24:43 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, aahh is me
14:24:43 <Zakim> +Josh_Soref; got it
14:25:03 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: implementation status is linked from the home page
14:25:13 <Josh_Soref> ... but there are a bunch of links, so maybe we should clean them up
14:25:30 <Josh_Soref> fjh: maybe we should add it to the table
14:25:40 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: that's how dom is doing it for the mobile web report
14:26:02 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i'm just interested in making sure we follow the process to REC
14:26:10 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: i think we need to work out some test cases
14:26:18 <Josh_Soref> ... i've been working on battery test cases
14:26:28 <Josh_Soref> ... and then i can do vibration test cases
14:26:34 <nwidell> nwidell has joined #dap
14:26:49 <Josh_Soref> ... but i'm taking some time off between now and the F2F, so i won't be able to get much done between
14:26:55 <Josh_Soref> fjh: will you be at the F2F?
14:26:57 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: yes
14:27:05 <ccourtney> Quick question about vibration: is there a facility for varying vibration levels in addition to durations?
14:27:12 <Josh_Soref> fjh: it might be useful to take Marcos up on his test writing offer
14:27:14 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: yeah
14:27:29 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: there's no hardware support for XXX
14:27:30 <ccourtney> Understood, thanks.
14:27:30 <bryan> on implementation status: it would be really handy to have a combined implementation table (specs vs UAs) somewhere linked to the homepage. i get a lot of requests for this and dont mind the research, but others could probably use it as well.
14:27:48 <fjh> I suggest we take Marcus up on his offer
14:27:48 <AnssiK> s/XXX/strength/
14:28:03 <nwidell> Present+ Niklas_Widell
14:28:19 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Ambient Light
14:28:22 <fjh> proposal from Doug analogous to Proximity, support on list
14:28:23 <fjh> "Maybe we should leave DeviceAmbientLight alone and add a new event type for reporting changes in the general range of ambient lighting."
14:28:38 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i think that's reasonable
14:28:39 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0040.html
14:28:44 <Josh_Soref> ... it's similar to what we've done for other things
14:28:59 <fjh> s/other things/Proximity
14:29:01 <Josh_Soref> ... i think dougt's going to do that
14:29:13 <Josh_Soref> ... if you wish to join that discussion, you should do that on the list
14:29:17 <fjh> s/that/that change, moving this work forward/
14:29:36 <Josh_Soref> q+ to ask if we should consider changing the telco time - specifically asking dougt if he could make a call later in the day
14:29:45 <Josh_Soref> Topic: XXY
14:29:53 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is on the call?
14:29:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see ccourtney, fjh, dtran, Jungkee (muted), dcheng3, bryan, gmandyam, Dsr, +46.1.08.01.aaff, Cathy, AnssiK, +46.1.07.15.aagg, Josh_Soref
14:30:04 <nwidell> zakim, aagg is nwidell
14:30:04 <Zakim> +nwidell; got it
14:30:06 <fjh> s/XXY/Atmospheric pressor Sensor/
14:30:17 <fjh> s/pressor/Pressure/
14:30:36 <Josh_Soref> dtran: a lot of phones will have pressure sensors
14:30:41 <Josh_Soref> ... the UCs is compelling
14:30:46 <Josh_Soref> ... for altitude
14:30:49 <Josh_Soref> ... for a hiking app
14:30:58 <Josh_Soref> ... you want to know how high you are when you're traveling
14:31:04 <Josh_Soref> ... in my Nexus phone, it's there
14:31:18 <fjh> action: fjh to put Atmospheric Pressure API experimental section of DAP Roadmap due to same reasons as Humidity and Temperature
14:31:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-575 - Put Atmospheric Pressure API experimental section of DAP Roadmap due to same reasons as Humidity and Temperature [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-09-19].
14:31:28 <Josh_Soref> ... this has XXZ support
14:31:35 <Josh_Soref> ... we might want to take a look at it
14:31:40 <Josh_Soref> fjh: it's good that you did this
14:31:44 <Josh_Soref> ... it's experimental stage
14:31:54 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, aaff is probably Claes
14:31:54 <Zakim> +Claes?; got it
14:32:00 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, unmute me
14:32:00 <Zakim> Josh_Soref was not muted, Josh_Soref
14:32:25 <dsr> scribenick: dsr
14:32:56 <dsr> Josh: if the main use case is gps altitide couldn't we use the interface from that?
14:33:16 <dsr> it doesn't seem like we need a new interface for this
14:33:40 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: that makes sense
14:33:45 <dsr> fjh: another use case is weather
14:33:51 <Josh_Soref> ... if we have all the coordinates from one interface
14:34:15 <Josh_Soref> dcheng3: we do have Altitude in the GeoLocation API
14:34:21 <Josh_Soref> ... we're not working on a v2 spec
14:34:27 <Josh_Soref> ... but that's already there
14:34:36 <Josh_Soref> ... we're wrapping up v1
14:34:47 <Josh_Soref> fjh: it sounds like a good idea to minimize UCs
14:34:54 <Josh_Soref> s/UCs/APIs/
14:35:17 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i'll move this to Experimental
14:35:25 <Josh_Soref> ... i think there are UCs different from Altitude
14:35:31 <Josh_Soref> ... we can defer til later
14:35:47 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Media Capture
14:36:06 <fjh> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/43696/WD-html-media-capture-20120712/doc/
14:36:15 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i gave it a week, which was probably a mistake
14:36:31 <Josh_Soref> ... AnssiK: i should have pushed back on your comments. but dougt pushed back
14:36:34 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0050.html
14:36:38 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: thanks for doing the work
14:36:43 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0051.html
14:36:45 <Josh_Soref> ... there are a couple of replies from shepazu
14:36:51 <Josh_Soref> ... i agree his changes make sense
14:37:00 <Josh_Soref> ... the only reason i'm hesitant to make the changes right away
14:37:15 <Josh_Soref> ... is to make sure we can get implementers' feedback baked in
14:37:25 <Josh_Soref> ... i think we should get their feedback before updating the spec
14:37:32 <Josh_Soref> fjh: can we take these one at a time?
14:37:43 <Josh_Soref> ... the first is message 50 from him
14:37:51 <Josh_Soref> ... the multiple arguments for capture
14:38:02 <Josh_Soref> ... i think we need to figure that out on the list
14:38:12 <Josh_Soref> ... and see if it's consistent with what we have today
14:38:20 <Josh_Soref> ... i seem to recall a discussion on the list
14:38:24 <Josh_Soref> ... but i couldn't find it
14:38:28 <Josh_Soref> ... do you remember it?
14:38:38 <Josh_Soref> ... the other one, 51 is more of a bike shed
14:38:50 <Josh_Soref> ... shepazu said we can easily change the name
14:39:04 <Josh_Soref> ... people expect changes there as part of standardization
14:39:40 <fjh> note we could support two synonyms couldn't we, though not preferable
14:39:43 <Josh_Soref> [ fjh didn't call it a bike shed, just something which is more of a preference and less technical ]
14:40:06 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: synonyms adds to test case  / compliance
14:40:27 <Josh_Soref> ... and silly matrix things: capture="camcorder,microphone,videocamera"
14:40:32 <Josh_Soref> ... is it first or last?
14:40:45 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: the web page hints it wants to capture a photo
14:40:58 <Josh_Soref> ... and it's up to the UA to allow the user to mute the video
14:41:18 <Josh_Soref> ... this is a philosophical debate about control for Web Page v. User Agent
14:41:28 <Josh_Soref> fjh: shepazu says we have to be concerned about end users, not UAs
14:41:38 <Josh_Soref> ... we have to be sure we're addressing UCs that really matter
14:41:44 <Josh_Soref> ... i don't think we can just punt everything
14:41:50 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: i understand that side of the story as well
14:41:57 <Josh_Soref> ... we're talking about <input type="file">
14:42:05 <Josh_Soref> ... historically you just fire up a dialog
14:42:17 <Josh_Soref> ... and it could exist anywhere, on your file system, on the network
14:42:40 <Josh_Soref> ... this proposal diverges from that
14:42:45 <Josh_Soref> fjh: it might not be the right thing to do
14:42:46 <Zakim> -Claes?
14:43:26 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: i sent a long thing talking about file pickers
14:44:53 <AnssiK> I'd also like to note @accept is also just a hint
14:46:48 <bryan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2011Jun/0083.html
14:47:18 <bryan> is that it?
14:48:17 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: thanks bryan
14:48:44 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i think we need to address this on the list
14:48:49 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: i feel this discussion may take a while
14:48:56 <Josh_Soref> ... please continue this on the list even if i'm not there
14:49:05 <Josh_Soref> ... i'm sure you'll land on a consensus before the F2F
14:49:14 <Josh_Soref> ... then we can agree on this at the F2F
14:49:24 <Josh_Soref> ... i'll try to wade in this week
14:49:42 <Josh_Soref> ... i'll try to engage the implementers as well
14:49:44 <Josh_Soref> q?
14:49:48 <fjh> q?
14:50:06 <Josh_Soref> Topic: AOB
14:50:09 <Josh_Soref> q?
14:50:10 <Josh_Soref> ack me
14:50:10 <Zakim> Josh_Soref, you wanted to ask if we should consider changing the telco time - specifically asking dougt if he could make a call later in the day
14:51:21 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: i'm wondering if moving it forward 1 hour would help Pacific
14:51:59 <Josh_Soref> fjh: this is 4/5pm in Europe, if we move it an hour, that may move it an hour, which isn't great but not bad
14:52:08 <Josh_Soref> ... not sure about asia
14:52:28 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: we should ask dougt if he'd be willing to join calls if we moved the time
14:53:07 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: if this isn't settled by the F2F, we could have a sessions with dougt at the F2F
14:53:12 <Josh_Soref> ... between werewolf
14:53:20 <bryan> it gets really late in Asia after 14:00GMT; I am OK with the current time on the west coast
14:53:23 <Josh_Soref> fjh: we should talk at the F2F
14:53:53 <Jungkee> in Seoul, it would be 12 am
14:53:55 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: we'll need to find the middle ground
14:54:27 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: i'll try to reply to the open items before i take my leave
14:54:28 <fjh> Jungkee, exactly, I don't want to make it worse for you
14:54:40 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i don't think we'll do action review
14:54:44 <Zakim> -AnssiK
14:54:45 <Josh_Soref> AnssiK: see everyone at the F2F
14:54:55 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Action Review
14:55:03 <Josh_Soref> action-548?
14:55:03 <trackbot> ACTION-548 -- Dave Raggett to check out why chairs got an email to announce Sony joining group but they're not listed in DBWG -- due 2012-07-17 -- OPEN
14:55:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/548
14:55:05 <fjh> ACTION-548?
14:55:05 <trackbot> ACTION-548 -- Dave Raggett to check out why chairs got an email to announce Sony joining group but they're not listed in DBWG -- due 2012-07-17 -- OPEN
14:55:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/548
14:55:43 <Josh_Soref> dsr: i think that was a glitch as they transitioned their organization name
14:55:44 <fjh> ACTION-548: was a glitch due to transition of organization name
14:55:44 <trackbot> ACTION-548 Check out why chairs got an email to announce Sony joining group but they're not listed in DBWG notes added
14:55:49 <fjh> close ACTION-548
14:55:49 <trackbot> ACTION-548 Check out why chairs got an email to announce Sony joining group but they're not listed in DBWG closed
14:56:08 <fjh> ACTION-556?
14:56:08 <trackbot> ACTION-556 -- Robin Berjon to set up test repository with example, docs, manifest generation for Web Intents -- due 2012-07-18 -- OPEN
14:56:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/556
14:56:28 <Josh_Soref> fjh: ... i don't know what darobin 's status is. dsr: do you know?
14:56:39 <fjh> I'll follow up directly with Robin
14:56:46 <fjh> ACTION-565?
14:56:46 <trackbot> ACTION-565 -- Josh Soref to propose text for HTML Media Capture to allow for alternative capture device if specified device not available -- due 2012-08-22 -- OPEN
14:56:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/565
14:57:23 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: i might be able to do something on that today, it's definitely related to what i sent
14:57:29 <Jungkee> If Robin is too busy to handle that, I'll take the action after talking with him
14:57:32 <fjh> ACTION-568?
14:57:32 <trackbot> ACTION-568 -- Jungkee Song to work with Robin to move darobin to move API Cookbook to w3c space and prepare for publication as W3C FPWD NOTE -- due 2012-08-29 -- OPEN
14:57:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/568
14:57:42 <Zakim> -nwidell
14:57:52 <nwidell> quit
14:58:03 <Jungkee> I'll talk with Robin and take that action
14:58:05 <Josh_Soref> s/quit//
14:58:06 <fjh> s/quit//
14:59:32 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: my Facebook-Intents action would give us experience w/ WebIntents / Pick-Contact
14:59:43 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i should mention that there are discussions on the WebIntents list
15:00:20 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: jhawkins has asked about moving discussion to the whatwg list
15:00:27 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i can see some concern about IPR
15:00:39 <Josh_Soref> ... and general forking discussion risks
15:00:48 <Josh_Soref> ... dsr: should i talk with you offline?
15:00:54 <Josh_Soref> dsr: let's think about this further
15:00:55 <bryan> gotta drop now; bye
15:01:01 <Josh_Soref> fjh: thanks all
15:01:03 <Zakim> -bryan
15:01:06 <Josh_Soref> [ Adjourned ]
15:01:11 <Jungkee> thanks
15:01:14 <Josh_Soref> trackbot, end meeting
15:01:14 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:01:14 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.757.825.aaaa, ccourtney, fjh, +1.503.542.aabb, dtran, Jungkee, +49.173.537.aacc, dcheng3, +1.425.214.aadd, +1.858.750.aaee, bryan,
15:01:15 <Jungkee> have a good one
15:01:17 <Zakim> ... gmandyam, Dsr, +46.1.08.01.aaff, Cathy, AnssiK, +46.1.07.15.aagg, +1.289.261.aahh, Josh_Soref, nwidell, Claes?
15:01:20 <Zakim> -fjh
15:01:21 <Zakim> -gmandyam
15:01:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:01:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/12-dap-minutes.html trackbot
15:01:22 <Zakim> -dcheng3
15:01:23 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:01:23 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/12-dap-actions.rdf :
15:01:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: fjh to put Atmospheric Pressure API experimental section of DAP Roadmap due to same reasons as Humidity and Temperature [1]
15:01:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/09/12-dap-irc#T14-31-18