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15:20:08 <glazou> Zakim, this will be Style
15:20:08 <Zakim> ok, glazou; I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM scheduled to start in 40 minutes
15:20:13 <glazou> RRSAgent, make logs public
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15:56:15 <rbetts> Zakim, aabb is me
15:56:15 <Zakim> +rbetts; got it
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15:56:44 <Zakim> +??P37
15:56:50 <glazou> Zakim, ??P37 is me
15:56:50 <Zakim> +glazou; got it
15:57:09 <glazou> Zakim, who is noisy?
15:57:20 <Zakim> glazou, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +47.23.69.aaaa (36%)
15:57:26 <Zakim> +Lea
15:57:46 <lstorset> Zakim, aaaa is me
15:57:46 <Zakim> +lstorset; got it
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15:59:30 <Zakim> + +1.650.275.aacc
15:59:49 <bradk> Zakim, aacc is me
15:59:49 <Zakim> +bradk; got it
16:00:11 <Zakim> +??P54
16:00:18 <glazou> Zakim, who is noisy?
16:00:26 <Zakim> + +1.206.390.aadd
16:00:29 <Zakim> glazou, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 8 (9%), lstorset (5%), bradk (22%)
16:00:48 <stearns> zakim, aadd is me
16:00:53 <Zakim> +stearns; got it
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16:02:11 <smfr> Zakim, aaee is me
16:02:20 <smfr> Zakim, you have the memory of a flea
16:02:21 <Zakim> +smfr; got it
16:02:26 <Zakim> I don't understand 'you have the memory of a flea', smfr
16:04:11 <Zakim> +SteveZ
16:05:10 <Zakim> +fantasai
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16:06:49 <plinss> zakim, who is here?
16:06:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see lstorset, plinss, rbetts, glazou, Lea, Molly_Holzschlag, bradk, ??P54, stearns, smfr, SteveZ, fantasai, dbaron
16:06:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see koji, smfr, arron, lstorset, bradk, rbetts, jet, dbaron, Molly, RRSAgent, Zakim, glazou, leaverou, miketaylr, lgombos, drublic, macpherson__, Ms2ger, Liam, shepazu,
16:06:51 <Zakim> ... decadance, isherman, arronei, logbot, ed, trackbot, Bert, dholbert, Hixie, hober, TabAtkins_, gsnedders, fantasai, jwir3, krijnh, alexmog, vhardy, sylvaing, shans,
16:06:52 <Zakim> ... CSSWG_LogBot, heycam|away, paul_irish, stearns, plinss
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16:07:15 <Zakim> +??P85
16:07:18 <TabAtkins_> zakim, aagg is me
16:07:18 <Zakim> +TabAtkins_; got it
16:07:23 <koji> zakim, ??p85 is me
16:07:23 <Zakim> +koji; got it
16:07:58 <smfr> scribenick: smfr
16:08:41 <smfr> Topic: CSS Masking
16:09:01 <smfr> dirk won't be on the call; regrets
16:09:11 <smfr> deferring the topic
16:09:18 <smfr> Topic: flex box and non-visible overflow
16:09:27 <smfr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Aug/0403.html
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16:09:59 <smfr> TabAtkins_: inline blocks, when they have overflow other than visible, baseline is calc as lower margin edge
16:10:05 <smfr> should flex boxes do something similar?
16:10:26 <TabAtkins_> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-flexbox/#flex-baselines
16:10:33 <Zakim> -Lea
16:10:51 <smfr> TabAtkins_: for non-visible overflow, sythensize baseline from border box of the flexbox
16:11:17 <smfr> TabAtkins_: want to make sure it's stable based on whether there's an item or not. think that border box is most stable
16:11:29 <Zakim> +Lea
16:11:44 <smfr> dbaron: mistake to change it at all based on whether there's overflow; authors are annoyed that overflow affects baselines
16:11:56 <smfr> s/mistake/it was a mistake
16:12:02 <smfr> TabAtkins_: i'm ok with that
16:12:21 <glazou> leaverou: np
16:12:29 <glazou> TabAtkins_: you speak too fast
16:12:44 <smfr> TabAtkins_: proposal: do baseline calculation like normal, but if it's scrollable, treat it like it has its initial scroll position
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16:13:27 <glazou> LOL
16:13:32 <smfr> plinss: do we propose to change this just for flex box, or also inline-block
16:13:39 <smfr> dbaron: no, not a proposal to change inline-block
16:13:55 <smfr> TabAtkins_: we can make a final decision next week
16:14:02 <smfr> dbaron: fine with me
16:14:23 <smfr> Topic: CSS4 Images FPWD
16:14:28 <plinss> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Sep/0059.html
16:15:01 <smfr> TabAtkins_: CSS4 images ready for FPWD; still lots of issues but we can discuss them
16:15:30 <smfr> smfr: would this be the first PWD of a CSS4 spec?
16:15:42 <smfr> dbaron: no, we did selectors 4
16:15:48 <smfr> smfr: ok, so this doesn't trigger anything special
16:16:20 <smfr> plinss: this will trigger a call for exclusions, as a FPWD
16:16:32 <smfr> no objections
16:16:42 <smfr> RESOLVED: publish FPWD of CSS4 Images
16:16:58 <smfr> Topic: at-risk counter styles
16:17:06 <smfr> wait for jdagget next week
16:17:26 <smfr> Topic:  QuerySelector() with namespaces
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16:17:45 <smfr> glazou: needed to query selectors with the selectors API with namespaces, not possible right now
16:17:53 <smfr> glazou: Anne's draft doesn't have anything
16:18:06 <smfr> glazou: should we resume that document inside the CSS WG, and work on this
16:18:19 <TabAtkins_> http://www.w3.org/TR/selectors-api2/ <-- current Selectors API draft
16:18:23 <smfr> dbaron: there was a draft as part of the original querySelector draft. it had issues; mozilla had much of it implemented
16:18:31 <smfr> dbaron: we should get a list of what those issues were
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16:18:57 <smfr> glazou: questions: do we want to resurrect this spec in the CSS WG, and if so, how should we proceed
16:19:08 <smfr> TabAtkins_: do we need to or raise the issues with Lachlan?
16:19:26 <smfr> TabAtkins_: it was last touched in late June, so is active
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16:19:50 <krit> Zakim, aahh is me
16:19:50 <Zakim> +krit; got it
16:19:56 <Zakim> +[Apple]
16:19:58 <hober> Zakim, Apple is me
16:19:58 <Zakim> +hober; got it
16:20:11 <smfr> glazou: is it something we want to do?
16:20:15 <smfr> TabAtkins_: i would not object
16:20:23 <dbaron> ... as long as they're not cumbersome
16:20:42 <smfr> smfr: glazou, and you explain more?
16:20:56 <smfr> glazou: need is in arbitrary XML documents, e.g. ePub
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16:21:08 <smfr> glazou: it's a hole in that API, and hard to work around
16:21:45 <smfr> glazou: really useful in XML
16:22:20 <smfr> smfr: is there a risk of feature creep where a lot of different APIs would need to be namespace aware?
16:22:30 <smfr> glazou: i don't think so, mainly the selectors API
16:22:32 <dbaron> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-selectors-api-20071221/#nsresolver-interface was the last TR draft with NSResolver, but NSResolver had issues, if memory serves
16:22:46 <smfr> glazou to raise the issue with Lachlan
16:22:58 <smfr> Topic: CSS Masking
16:23:15 <smfr> krit would like another editor for CSS Masking
16:23:21 <smfr> TabAtkins_: I volunteer
16:23:50 <smfr> left off last week with mask-clip
16:24:14 <smfr> defer discussing mask-clip
16:24:41 <smfr> Topic: FPWD of Intrinsic Sizing
16:25:17 <smfr> fantasai: a couple of sections not written yet (tables, multi-col), but the draft should be coherent and we'd like to publish FPWD
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16:25:55 <smfr> RESOLVED: publish FPWD of Intrinsic Sizing level 3
16:26:02 <smfr> Topic: CSS3 conditional
16:26:25 <smfr> fantasai: CSS3 Conditional is ready to have another WD published
16:26:38 <smfr> glazou: we have 2 different implementations?
16:26:47 <smfr> fantasai: possibly 3 (prefixed one in IE)
16:26:53 <smfr> plinss: how far from last call?
16:27:06 <smfr> fantasai: WG needs to review this draft; next draft should be last call
16:27:17 <smfr> plinss: any objections?
16:27:42 <smfr> dbaron: no, but one comment. we had discussed having what's in CSS condition rule to be 2 separate interfaces
16:28:04 <smfr> TabAtkins_: moving the grouping ?? up a level and having the condition rule inherit from that
16:28:44 <smfr> fantasai: discussed at the F2F but didn't come up with final changes
16:29:28 <smfr> TabAtkins_: in the CSS OM part, talking about splitting the CSSConditionRule
16:29:48 <smfr> so we have a rule about @rules that contain other rules, then other rules that inherit from that
16:30:12 <plinss> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-conditional/#the-cssconditionrule-interface
16:30:54 <smfr> TabAtkins_: i support breaking this up
16:31:13 <smfr> plinss: before we publish?
16:31:14 <smfr> TabAtkins_: yes
16:31:22 <smfr> TabAtkins_: gonna do it live!
16:31:28 <smfr> plinss: any objections?
16:31:31 <dbaron> I think CSSGroupRule would be the obvious name for the upper half
16:31:50 <smfr> RESOLVED: TabAtkins_ to split CSSConditionRule
16:32:12 <smfr> RESOLVED: publish WD of CSS3 conditional after TabAtkins_ makes the CSSConditionRule  change
16:32:38 <smfr> plinss: anyone working on a test suite for this?
16:32:48 <Zakim> -Lea
16:32:49 <smfr> dbaron: mozilla and opera have both contributed a bunch of tests for @supports
16:32:53 <smfr> plinss: we have almost 100 testes
16:33:00 <smfr> s/testes/tests
16:33:42 <smfr> Topic: Working Group Priorities
16:33:58 <smfr> glazou: 4 years ago in San Diego, we started with a deep prioritization of the activities of the WG
16:34:20 <smfr> glazou: now that CSS 2.1 is over, and we have so many documents under work, it is time to do the same again,
16:34:31 <smfr> so make the specs advance at the right paces
16:34:36 <Zakim> +Lea
16:34:43 <smfr> we have almost 30 documents; what are the right specs to work on Right Now?
16:35:00 <smfr> glazou: it's the right time to discuss the priorities again
16:35:31 <smfr> glazou: ideas: ping the browser vendors in the WG, in full confidentiality, and get info on their strategic focuses
16:35:52 <smfr> plinss: also looking at interest in implementation
16:35:58 <smfr> dbaron: i'd rather the discussion be public
16:36:15 <smfr> glazou: i'd prefer that of course, but some members would like to keep it private
16:36:44 <TabAtkins_> Edits to the Conditional spec done: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-conditional/#the-cssgroupingrule-interface
16:36:48 <smfr> dbaron: would it be OK to ping everyone in private, including a question about whether it's OK to make the answers public
16:36:53 <smfr> dbaron: that's fine
16:37:16 <smfr> Molly: would also like to hear from the invited experts, as well as the vendors
16:37:36 <smfr> glazou: yes, ping all the WG members, not just browser vendors
16:38:34 <smfr> Molly: so there are 2 layers of prioritization; implementation by the vendors, and the rest of the WG
16:38:48 <smfr> glazou: what really matters is the implementability of the specs
16:39:26 <smfr> glazou: i will send email before next week; make sure those emails get to the right people
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16:39:32 <smfr> give vendors 2 weeks to reply
16:40:05 <smfr> plinss: data will be confidential, but the aggregated data will be public
16:40:38 <smfr> krit: how is implementation defined?
16:40:47 <smfr> plinss: how we normally do for getting a spec out of CR
16:41:08 <smfr> plinss: any other topics to discuss?
16:42:01 <Zakim> -lstorset
16:42:02 <smfr> glazou: speaking of selectors 4, mozilla implemented :dir. Is it prefixed?
16:42:10 <smfr> dbaron: it is not prefixed
16:42:24 <smfr> glazou: do you plan to prefix ti?
16:42:27 <smfr> s/ti/it
16:42:36 <smfr> dbaron: i can look into it
16:42:43 <Zakim> +lstorset
16:43:12 <smfr> glazou: selectors are a very visible part of CSS; if we have anything to change before CR that could cause problems
16:43:25 <smfr> glazou: we have only light reviews by i18n people
16:44:16 <smfr> fantasai: we could take only the UI stuff for level for, and leave the other stuff (e.g. column selectors) for level 5
16:44:41 <smfr> glazou: we should give people time to review
16:45:12 <smfr> plinss: other topics?
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16:45:39 <TabAtkins_> http://www.xanthir.com/b4Ko0
16:45:40 <smfr> glazou: TabAtkins_ published a "no such thing as CSS4 item on his blog". We should probably publish on the W3C blog under the WG's name
16:45:48 <fantasai> http://www.xanthir.com/b4Ko0
16:46:19 <smfr> glazou: TabAtkins_ can you rephrase to make it more official, and submit to the WG for review?
16:46:29 <smfr> TabAtkins_: can try but want glazou to check it
16:47:37 <smfr> leaverou: does everyone agree with the level naming here?
16:48:05 <smfr> fantasai: maybe leaverou can suggest some language to TabAtkins_ 
16:48:40 <smfr> dbaron: i think we're stuck because of the way we make short names of drafts (because that requires going to the director)
16:48:56 <smfr> fantasai: we need to come up with a naming plan, and get batch approval
16:49:07 <dbaron> I disagree with Tab's assertion that there is a CSS3.
16:49:18 <leaverou> dbaron: That's exactly what I was saying
16:49:44 <smfr> plinss: we should come up with a concrete list of short names changes
16:49:50 <smfr> fantasai: i can set up a wiki page with proposals
16:50:17 <dbaron> I'd think shortnames should be either css-selectors-4, css-text-3, etc., or css-selectors4, css-text3, etc.
16:50:41 <smfr> plinss: we haven't published a snapshot since 2010; supposed to do one every year
16:50:49 <leaverou> dbaron: +1
16:50:58 <dbaron> dbaron: they were also supposed to be normative until the director changed them
16:50:59 <glazou> dbaron: +1
16:51:00 <fantasai> nothing's changed since 2012 wrt snapshots
16:51:13 <fantasai> they'd need a new section on CR drafts not yet tested
16:51:20 <fantasai> to require an update
16:51:25 <smfr> discussion of the normative nature of the spec
16:51:37 <smfr> plinss: let's get a 2012 snapshot published
16:51:46 <glazou> bye BradK 
16:51:54 <smfr> TabAtkins_: we will do a 2012 snapshot near the end of the year
16:52:04 <Zakim> -bradk
16:52:29 <smfr> SteveZ: can we list candidates for what will go into the 2012 snapshot
16:52:40 <smfr> fantasai: we need a test suite for the snapshot
16:52:49 <smfr> SteveZ: we need to drive some of those test suites
16:53:23 <smfr> plinss: last time we talked about publishing multiple ones during the year; we don't necessarily have to wait
16:53:31 <smfr> fantasai: there's nothing worth publishing at the moment
16:53:36 <Zakim> -Lea
16:53:57 <smfr> plinss: we'll add a section to the wiki about renaming
16:54:05 <Zakim> -dbaron
16:54:06 <smfr> Meeting closed
16:54:08 <Molly> bye!!!!
16:54:09 <Zakim> -TabAtkins_
16:54:10 <Zakim> -hober
16:54:10 <Zakim> -fantasai
16:54:11 <Zakim> -glazou
16:54:11 <Zakim> -SteveZ
16:54:11 <Zakim> -krit
16:54:13 <Zakim> -lstorset
16:54:14 <Zakim> -smfr
16:54:15 <Zakim> +Lea
16:54:17 <Zakim> -Molly_Holzschlag
16:54:20 <Zakim> -rbetts
16:54:22 <Zakim> -plinss
16:54:24 <Zakim> -stearns
16:54:25 <Zakim> -koji
16:54:27 <Zakim> -Lea
16:54:30 <Zakim> -??P54
16:54:32 <Zakim> Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
16:54:33 <Zakim> Attendees were +47.23.69.aaaa, +1.604.312.aabb, plinss, rbetts, glazou, Lea, lstorset, Molly_Holzschlag, +1.650.275.aacc, bradk, +1.206.390.aadd, stearns, +1.408.636.aaee, smfr,
16:54:37 <Zakim> ... SteveZ, fantasai, +1.415.766.aaff, dbaron, +1.650.253.aagg, TabAtkins_, koji, +1.415.832.aahh, krit, hober
16:58:17 <TabAtkins_> Heh, that's fine.
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17:17:58 <oyvind> having "CSS3" not be a thing seems better than having CSS [whatever] Level 4 be part of CSS3, that's just confusing
17:18:34 <nimbu> oyvind++++
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18:35:42 <fantasai> TabAtkins_: you have the conditionalrules stuff all set to publish?
18:36:15 <nimbu> fantasai: what should we do to make it no longer css3?
18:36:20 <nimbu> i mean anything from w3c side?
18:36:41 <nimbu> i am sure every browser vendor would be happy to write articles/posts/tweets to promote whatever change happens on w3c specs.
18:37:49 <fantasai> we've done about as much as we can, aside from changing all the shortnames
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18:38:09 <fantasai> nimbu: although improvements to the Snapshot wording are always welcome :)
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20:12:14 <nimbu> fantasai: i think we should definitely change the shortnames no?
20:12:20 <nimbu> i mean its the single biggest indication >_>
20:12:40 <nimbu> like css3-content/
20:12:42 <nimbu> and so on
20:12:50 <nimbu> change it to css alone.
20:13:33 <leaverou> or css-content-3
20:13:42 <nimbu> o to indicate level?
20:13:48 <leaverou> yeah
20:13:55 <nimbu> idk i dont think it is critical.
20:13:58 <leaverou> and have css-content redirect to the largest level available
20:14:00 <nimbu> ya
20:14:02 <nimbu> basically
20:14:04 <nimbu> thats what we need.
20:14:07 <nimbu> css-content on parent
20:14:11 <nimbu> and levels maybe within?
20:14:17 <leaverou> oh, even better!
20:14:18 <nimbu> and parent redirects to highest level possible.
20:14:21 <leaverou> if that's possible
20:14:24 <nimbu> yaa
20:14:26 <nimbu> plinss: ^^^
20:14:27 <leaverou> not sure if nested hierarchies are possible
20:14:34 <nimbu> no idea.
20:14:40 <nimbu> MAKE IT HAPPEN PLINSS
20:14:43 <nimbu> DO YOUR MAGICC
20:15:08 <nimbu> or fantasai if fantasai has the sekrit keys to the dev.csswg.org
20:15:15 <nimbu> i meann dev.w3.org
20:15:27 <nimbu> i assumed it was peter. or maybe it is Bert
20:15:52 <plinss> nimbu: it's not so much about what's on dev.w3.org, it's what's on w3.org/TR/ that matters...
20:15:57 <leaverou> nimbu: in the call it was mentioned that changes to shortnames need to be approved by the director
20:16:04 <leaverou> if I heard it correctly at least
20:16:15 <plinss> leaverou: correct
20:16:18 <nimbu> plinss: o how can we change that.
20:16:24 <nimbu> leaverou: o okay who is the director :)
20:16:28 <plinss> we'll still need to leave redirects at the old URLs at the least
20:16:31 <leaverou> Tim Berners-Lee 
20:16:33 <nimbu> ya definitely need.
20:16:34 <nimbu> ahaha
20:16:37 <nimbu> HEY TIMBL
20:16:44 <nimbu> ONE SMALL THING.
20:16:44 <leaverou> :P
20:16:51 <plinss> Ralph generally fills that role at publishing telcons
20:16:58 <nimbu> plinss: o who is ralph?
20:17:06 <nimbu> leaverou: can you talk to this ralph person :)))
20:17:07 <leaverou> nimbu: Ralph Swick
20:17:12 <nimbu> ah.
20:17:28 <leaverou> plinss: I assume you mean Ralph Swick, right?
20:17:38 <nimbu> lasted tweeted 9th Feb :(
20:17:47 <plinss> yes, the plan is to have a discussion with Ralph (and/or Tim) once we have a concrete list of the exact changes we want to make
20:17:54 <nimbu> ah thats awesome.
20:17:58 <nimbu> plinss: who is making that list.
20:18:00 <leaverou> nimbu: I didn't even know Ralph tweeted :P
20:18:12 <nimbu> i just did a handy twitter search leaverou :))
20:18:15 <plinss> fantasai is supposed to be setting up a wiki page
20:18:23 <nimbu> ah k.
20:19:03 <nimbu> fantasai: would it be members-only wiki page?
20:19:05 <nimbu> or anybody can edit.
20:20:04 <plinss> I'd presume member only on that page
20:20:18 <nimbu> ah k.
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20:20:25 <nimbu> http://www.w3.org/TR/#tr_CSS seems to have very few names as css3
20:20:31 <nimbu> and all using css3 seem dead or inactive.
20:20:33 <nimbu> except for ruby
20:20:34 <plinss> you're welcome to edit it...
20:20:39 <leaverou_> what did I miss?
20:20:44 <leaverou_> my connection dropped
20:20:46 <leaverou_> (again...)
20:21:05 <nimbu> oh leaverou i was asking who can edit the wiki
20:22:05 <plinss> leaverou: I have an IRC bouncer running on csswg.org, would you like an account?
20:22:36 <leaverou> sure, but what's an IRC bouncer? (my ignorance on IRC stuff is showing)
20:23:24 <plinss> it connectes to irc.w3.org as you, then you connect your irc client to it
20:23:44 <leaverou> like a proxy?
20:23:49 <plinss> the advantage is that if you drop off, it stays connected, when you re-connect it plays back what happened while you were gone
20:23:58 <leaverou> oh that's awesome!
20:24:12 <plinss> you can also connect multiple clients and irc.w3.org only sees one, but all your clients get all the messages
20:24:26 <plinss> and it does push notifications to iPhones if your nick is mentioned
20:24:27 <paul_irish> leaverou: i use http://znc.in/ .. it's fantastic.
20:24:39 <leaverou> plinss: wow, that sounds great!
20:24:46 <plinss> paul_irish: that's what's on irc.csswg.org
20:25:03 <nimbu> plinss: it seems to be /TR/ doesnt actually show anything with css3 prefix that is active.
20:25:10 <nimbu> plinss: otoh the shortnames are all very css3 tho.
20:26:14 <paul_irish> plinss: that rocks. :)
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20:52:24 <plinss> nimbu: pretty much everything listed on http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work needs the short name changed...
20:54:26 <nimbu> plinss: ya thats whatt not the names themselves. 
20:54:35 <nimbu> i suppose this would mean it would also change on dev.w3.org then
20:54:53 <plinss> yes
20:54:59 <nimbu> so would fantasai be making a wiki page of all the short names that needs to be changed?
20:55:04 <plinss> after /tr is changed
20:55:13 <nimbu> nice.
20:55:19 <nimbu> I WILL BUG YOU FANTASAI
20:55:27 <plinss> I think she's just going to setup the page, it's up to everyone to fill it in
20:55:49 <nimbu> o okay.
20:55:57 <nimbu> i will be happy to add asap.
21:25:12 <nimbu> hi fantasai!!!
21:25:42 <fantasai> hi nimbu!
21:28:13 <nimbu> fantasai: plinss was saying you were gonna create that page so we can kill css3 forever.
21:28:19 <fantasai> umm, yeah
21:28:22 <nimbu> with the benevolent approval of TimBL
21:28:26 <nimbu> LETS DO IT
21:28:29 <fantasai> working on it
21:28:31 <fantasai> :)
21:28:50 <nimbu> k can do.
21:28:54 <nimbu> also i will be at TPACCC
21:28:57 <nimbu> (mostly)
21:29:52 <fantasai> okay :)
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