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14:02:28 <mmartin3> zakim, who's here?
14:02:28 <Zakim> sorry, mmartin3, I don't know what conference this is
14:02:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see pal, mmartin3, mike, sean, RRSAgent, Zakim, trackbot
14:03:22 <sean> zakim, this is tt
14:03:24 <Zakim> ok, sean; that matches SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM
14:04:06 <plh> plh has joined #tt
14:04:14 <plh> regrets for the call unfortunately
14:04:22 <plh> stuck in other meetings
14:04:40 <mmartin3> Present
14:04:58 <mmartin3> Andrew_Kirkpatrick, mike, sean, pal, mmartin3
14:04:59 <AWK> AWK has joined #tt
14:05:17 <mmartin3> zakim, AWK is Andrew_Kirkpatrick
14:05:17 <Zakim> sorry, mmartin3, I do not recognize a party named 'AWK'
14:05:31 <AWK> Zakim, AWK is akirkpat2
14:05:31 <Zakim> sorry, AWK, I do not recognize a party named 'AWK'
14:05:40 <AWK> Zakim, akirkpat2 is AWK
14:05:41 <Zakim> sorry, AWK, I do not recognize a party named 'akirkpat2'
14:05:46 <AWK> I give up!
14:06:09 <AWK> Zakim, who is AWK?
14:06:10 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, AWK.
14:06:25 <mmartin3> Chair
14:06:28 <mmartin3> Sean Hayes
14:07:10 <mmartin3> First public working draft
14:07:19 <mmartin3> Topic: First Public Working Draft
14:07:25 <mmartin3> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml10-sdp-us/Overview.html
14:07:59 <mmartin3> mmartin3: Patent URI, fontFamily, HTML cleanup completed.
14:08:34 <mmartin3> sean: Explain new strings for fontFamily
14:09:07 <mmartin3> mmartin: Add TTML 1.0 Second Edition reference?
14:09:13 <mmartin3> sean: Add placeholder.
14:09:35 <mmartin3> Create ACTION: Glenn add TTML 1.0 Second Edition reference.
14:10:08 <gfreed> gfreed has joined #tt
14:10:43 <mmartin3> mike: Handle Glenn's comments.
14:10:50 <mmartin3> sean: Yes.
14:10:59 <mmartin3> pal: FPWD is not final?
14:11:36 <pal> is the scope of changes limited against a FPWD?
14:11:48 <mmartin3> ACTION: Glenn add TTML 1.0 Second Edition reference.
14:11:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-89 - Add TTML 1.0 Second Edition reference. [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-09-06].
14:12:24 <mmartin3> Resolved to move SDP-US to FPWD.
14:12:48 <mmartin3> ACTION: Glenn move SDP-US to FPWD.
14:12:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-90 - Move SDP-US to FPWD. [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-09-06].
14:14:15 <mmartin3> sean: Hold on resolution for one comment from Glenn? re: description on character edge.
14:14:44 <mmartin3> ACTION: Monica Provide description for character edge.
14:14:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-91 - Provide description for character edge. [on Monica Martin - due 2012-09-06].
14:15:36 <mmartin3> Topic: Change Proposal001
14:15:51 <mmartin3> http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal001
14:16:14 <mmartin3> Modifications to set attribute to take a block of elements.
14:16:29 <mmartin3> sean: Modifications to set attribute to take a block of elements.
14:16:39 <pal> http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal002
14:17:46 <mmartin3> Resolution: Accepted Change Proposal001 http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal001
14:18:13 <mmartin3> ACTION: Glenn integrate http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal001 to TTML 1.1.
14:18:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-92 - Integrate http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal001 to TTML 1.1. [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-09-06].
14:18:26 <mmartin3> Topic: Change Proposal002
14:18:41 <mmartin3> sean: Extent and origin on p
14:19:01 <mmartin3> sean: Move to accept.
14:19:06 <mmartin3> mike: Some questions.
14:19:23 <mmartin3> mike: What is origin relative to?
14:19:35 <mmartin3> sean: Root container (Glenn's change).
14:19:54 <mmartin3> mike: Can be outside of container?
14:19:59 <mmartin3> sean: Anonymous region.
14:20:16 <mmartin3> sean: Follow semantics.
14:21:02 <mmartin3> mike: TTML 1.0 is precise but difficult to follow path to using solution.
14:21:06 <mmartin3> Need more prose?
14:21:19 <mmartin3> mike: Specify anonymous region.
14:21:37 <mmartin3> zakim, who is here?
14:21:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], mike, sean, pierre, andrew, Geoff_Freed
14:21:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see gfreed, AWK, plh, pal, mmartin3, mike, sean, RRSAgent, Zakim, trackbot
14:22:34 <mmartin3> sean: Will craft language to explain processing in an informative way.
14:23:28 <mmartin3> mike: Need to have normative rather than informative language.
14:24:17 <mmartin3> sean: Normative is step 6. Add text.
14:24:26 <mmartin3> mike: Add definition of origin and extent?
14:25:13 <mmartin3> sean: Editor craft language 8.2.14
14:25:26 <mmartin3> mike: Describe intent particularly origin.
14:25:56 <mmartin3> sean: Add more text.
14:26:11 <mmartin3> pal: Agree with proposal but agree with Mike on more language.
14:26:37 <mmartin3> pal: Relative to region?
14:26:48 <mmartin3> sean: Glenn said original proposal was too complicated.
14:29:19 <mmartin3> pal: Discuss positioning. 
14:30:11 <mmartin3> sean: For simplicity, assume global coordinates not relative to the parent container.
14:30:45 <mmartin3> mike: Inherit region properties.
14:31:01 <mmartin3> Add information to articulate this.
14:31:03 <mmartin3> pal: Agree.
14:31:57 <mmartin3> pal: Background color associated with p?
14:31:59 <mmartin3> sean: Yes.
14:32:51 <mmartin3> sean: Will work on more normative propose about positioning.
14:32:54 <mmartin3> mike: Section 8
14:33:44 <mmartin3> sean: Section 9.3.3 is normative and put more text in Section 8.
14:34:43 <mmartin3> pal: Asks about how to apply opacity to default region.
14:35:11 <mmartin3> pal: How to set opacity?
14:35:48 <mmartin3> sean: Should create information to handle this.
14:35:53 <mmartin3> ACTION: Sean to do revisions to proposal http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal002 that explains positionig.
14:35:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-93 - Do revisions to proposal http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal002 that explains positionig. [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-09-06].
14:36:37 <mmartin3> ACTION: Sean Do revisions to proposal that explains opacity.
14:36:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-94 - Do revisions to proposal that explains opacity. [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-09-06].
14:36:55 <mmartin3> mike: How to animate region?
14:37:33 <mmartin3> mike: Animate at head? 
14:37:47 <mmartin3> sean: Handled in proposal 1.
14:37:59 <mmartin3> mike: What if apply to region or block?
14:38:28 <mmartin3> sean: Addressed by Proposal 1.
14:39:53 <mmartin3> awk: What happens if identify region and does specify the origin?
14:40:55 <mmartin3> sean: If no named region, everything goes to default. If you don't specify a region, text is pruned. 
14:41:53 <mmartin3> Won't work on some documents.
14:43:50 <mmartin3> ?ACTION-80
14:44:01 <mmartin3> ACTION-80?
14:44:01 <trackbot> ACTION-80 -- Monica Martin to create statement of use case and regional naming on SDP -- due 2012-08-16 -- CLOSED
14:44:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/80
14:47:02 <mmartin3> ISSUE-179?
14:47:02 <trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- Interpreting the pixel measure -- raised
14:47:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/179
14:47:09 <mmartin3> sean: Please review.
14:47:18 <mmartin3> Topic: Meeting times best for Editor.
14:47:34 <mmartin3> sean: Speak with Glenn.
14:47:44 <mmartin3> sean: Pixel metric defined for XSL.
14:48:52 <mmartin3> Doesn't mean device pixels but audio.
14:51:04 <mmartin3> mike: Question what knowledge is available for authoring?
14:52:30 <mmartin3> sean: We may be making conformance changes to address px measure.
14:53:21 <mmartin3> sean: Remove reference to XSL pixel.
14:54:12 <mmartin3> mike: Add language that if an author fails to put extent on root container, behavior is application defined.
14:54:51 <Zakim> -Geoff_Freed
14:54:52 <Zakim> -sean
14:54:52 <Zakim> -mike
14:54:52 <Zakim> -pierre
14:54:54 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
14:57:05 <mmartin3> scribe: mmartin3
14:57:11 <mmartin3> scribe mmartin3
14:58:48 <Zakim> -andrew
14:58:49 <Zakim> SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has ended
14:58:49 <Zakim> Attendees were [Microsoft], mike, sean, pierre, andrew, Geoff_Freed
15:00:55 <mmartin3> close meeting
15:01:06 <mmartin3> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:01:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-tt-minutes.html mmartin3
15:02:07 <mmartin3> close this meeting
15:02:21 <mmartin3> trackbot, close meeting
15:02:21 <trackbot> Sorry, mmartin3, I don't understand 'trackbot, close meeting'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
15:03:09 <mmartin3> trackbot, end meeting
15:03:09 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:03:09 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:03:17 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:03:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-tt-minutes.html trackbot
15:03:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:07:51 <mmartin3> plh, are you here?
15:08:14 <plh> in an other meeting
15:08:20 <plh> but can kind of read here
15:09:04 <mmartin3> ok.
15:09:29 <mmartin3> I generated the minutes but had the order backwards to close the meeting. I am uncertain if it generated the actual minutes.
15:09:35 <mmartin3> Getting better. :>
15:10:14 <mmartin3> thanks
15:10:24 <plh> Meeting: TT Working Group
15:10:28 <plh> Chair: Sean
15:10:34 <plh> Regrets+ plh
15:10:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-tt-minutes.html plh
15:10:47 <mmartin3> good we have minutes!
15:10:57 <mmartin3> Will review and decide if I need to do corrections.
15:11:00 <mmartin3> thanks
15:11:02 <plh> welcome