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<trackbot> Date: 30 August 2012
<DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-08-23
<Bhyland> +1
minutes: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-08-16
<scribe> Meeting: GLD-WG telecon 30 August 2012
<scribe> Scribe: BenediktKaempgen
Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-08-23
<BartvanLeeuwen> +1 for the minutes
<olyerickson> +1 to accept minutes...
Minutes accepted
<gatemezi> +1
bhyland: need to organise after
summer break. We are behind in schedule. Need to address
that.
... yet to determine whether to extend the working group
... we do not want to swift from the charter, but we need more
participation and for that may be open for a little altered
charter interpretation
... way to describe Linked Data should have advanced since
three years ago, but apparently it hasn't, at least not in
industry
... how do we stay within our charter, how can we motivate
people to contribute
BartvanLeeuwen: Problem is that depending on country there is a different view on Open Data. E.g., Netherlands it has changed in only a couple of months.
HadleyBeeman: started UK Linked
Data Working Group
... will work on similar topics than W3C Government LD WG
... e.g., regarding glossary
... core John Sheridan, Dave Reynolds, Jeni Tennison
<DaveReynolds> s/Ani/Jeni/
<HadleyBeeman> BenediktKaempgen, the UK gov linked data working group is doing the country-specific vocab and standards work for us in the UK.
HadleyBeeman: a liason with W3C GLD of course is possible
<HadleyBeeman> Among other things, the UKgovLD group will be looking after data.gov.uk/linked-data and will want to point to/build on this group's resources
Sandro: wondering whether 5-star-scheme still relevant or would need extension
<HadleyBeeman> +1 to explaining, practically, what each star accomplishes (in practice)
bhyland: do not see that we were alienating people with that scheme.
<Bhyland> Sandro: Develop a gov 5 star diagram & support with use cases & benefit statements to better understand it.
Sandro: Apparently, there is no proof that 4-5-star would bring extra benefits to industry
<Bhyland> ... Explain why you want 4 & 5 star data, be rationale & not judgemental
<BartvanLeeuwen> +q
Sandro: do 4-5-star simply because it's "cool" wont help
<olyerickson> "Be rational, not judgmental..."
bhyland: to stitch together data silos, there still is no better way than the Linked Data architecture
BartvanLeeuwen: currently, there is no killer-app for 4-5-star LD
<Bhyland> Bart: 3 star can readily be converted to 4 and 5 star
DaveReynolds: Aim of the WG should be not only to push people forward to publish Open Data, but also to do it with the Linked Data principles.
bhyland: people still do not have
enough information to do the publishing of Open Data the Linked
Data way
... people cannot evaluate benefits between solutions
<olyerickson> +1 Bhyland
bhyland: we should make it easier
for public agencies to publish their data and to participate in
this WG
... they all publish using JSON. We should leverage our
connections to get more people involved.
<DaveReynolds> Very few of the Semantic Web/Linked Data vendors participate in the WG, let alone other data platform vendors.
bhyland: why is Linked Data not taking off
<DruidSmith> json-ld reference: http://json-ld.org/
<gatemezi> What about having an event like Google hangout where we could invite at least all the providers /compagnies we work with to talk about their problems? Just after releasing our last doc?
<Bhyland> Linked Data for data integration use cases, eg., traffic, environmental data
<Bhyland> Biplav: Take LD message to CIOs ...
<Bhyland> ... mentioned governing.com
MikePendleton: If we could frame Linked Data in the context of Big Data, that would help
<Bhyland> MikePendleton: LD should be framed in context of Big Data that has everyone abuzz in US
<Bhyland> Biplav: Lack of decision making is more previlent issue in some countries
Biplav: social web is another important area
<Bhyland> It seems we are describing two 'tracks' in this WG, one is use cases & best practices; the other is technical guidance on 'how to' including core vocabularies & checklist for discerning quality vocabs
<olyerickson> we're here
gatemezi: using Google hangout we could get more people involved, e.g., project partners. We could also discuss more technical issues.
bhyland: anyone active in Google+?
<Biplav> Here are some govt / IT fora: a. Government Technology ( http://www.govtech.com/ ) b. Public Technology Institute (… http://www.pti.org/) c. Governing.com (http://www.governing.com/)
<olyerickson> what does active mean?
bhyland: we could also use other channels.
<Bhyland> Michael Hausenblas recommended a google+ hangout ... we all think it is a good idea.
+q
<DeirdreLee_> +q
sorry Dave, could you write that in the minutes?
Dave: community of practice of England, Scotland, Wales developing currently
<DeirdreLee_> I can follow up with Michael on the hangout idea
bhyland: for first last call, it
would be good to use one of such other channels
... for first last call of vocabularies
<DaveReynolds> DaveReynolds: clarified the the UKGovLD group is a UK specific initiative, created as a result of UK White Paper on open data. It is currently a small seed group intended to create a community of practice.
<Bhyland> @DeirdreLee, ok, I understand the proposal for a google hangout for a given event such as People Vocab goes to (first) LC
<gatemezi> +1 to Sandro point
sandro: will try to be on google hangout
<olyerickson> sandro: I can help
sandro: at the next GLD telco
<gatemezi> q/Sandro/sandro
Benedikt: google hangout was planned to have open discussions with external people
DeidreLee: Will follow up on the channel issue with mhausenblas, richard, faadi
bhyland: status regarding open
deliverables?
... any announcements?
... TPAC is happending. 30-45minutes discussion on Government
Linked Data. If someone has content, please contact bhyland or
sandro.
<Bhyland> ... Wednesday is the more open conference format
olyerickson: was on last TPAC
with new open format.
... if you are willing to lead a discussion you can announce
that on a board.
<Bhyland> ... Write down session name & proposed agenda, conference organizers help coordinate/facilitate
<Bhyland> ... Live lobbying for a breakout. Agenda gets posted in R/T to Web.
olyerickson: agenda gets posted live to TPAC website. After agenda is set, it happens like in a normal conference.
<DruidSmith> Unconference format - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconference - ad-hoc, sessions can be submitted
<Bhyland> Sandro: Concerns came in around prep'ing for sessions. If you prep for a session, maybe you don't get selected ...
<Bhyland> Olyerickson: Be prepared & be prepared to lead it. Have materials in advance.
olyerickson: of course you should only propose if you can lead it and if you have content for it.
bhyland: if we get input from the
WG, we are happy to propose a topic.
... e.g., some bullet points from Dave would be terrific.
Dave: What would be the time scale?
bhyland: will get in contact with Dave and Hadley. Pointers would also be useful.
<olyerickson> Bhyland: I can help review those slides and provide feedback
bhyland: community directory will be topic for next weekly telco.
<olyerickson> * also help with recruitment ideas
bhyland: goals will be discussed. People can speak about directories that work well.
sandro: Status of suggestions?
bhyland: google tracker was setup
and all feedback was put in there.
... takes ACTION to check whether feedback got in there.
... however, nothing major has happened.
<Bhyland> @Benedikt, are you OK to publish minutes?
<Bhyland> Thanks all!@
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