13:17:21 RRSAgent has joined #rd 13:17:21 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-rd-irc 13:17:23 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:17:25 Zakim, this will be 7394 13:17:25 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes 13:17:26 Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference 13:17:26 Date: 29 August 2012 13:18:18 zakim, code? 13:18:18 the conference code is 7394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), shadi 13:19:20 WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started 13:19:27 +??P0 13:19:44 vivienne has joined #rd 13:20:19 zakim, ??pX is me 13:20:19 sorry, shadi, I do not recognize a party named '??pX' 13:20:31 zakim,??p0 13:20:31 I don't understand '??p0', Kerstin 13:20:56 zakim,??p0 is me 13:20:56 +Kerstin; got it 13:21:15 zakim, mute me 13:21:15 sorry, shadi, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 13:21:40 zakim, mute me 13:21:40 sorry, Kerstin, muting is not permitted when only one person is present 13:21:55 zakim, unmute me 13:21:55 sorry, shadi, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 13:21:57 zakim, unmute me 13:21:57 ok Kerstin, muting is not permitted when only one person is present 13:22:10 q+ 13:22:38 ack me 13:22:48 ack 13:22:53 q- 13:23:05 q- 13:23:53 klaus has joined #rd 13:24:07 41# 13:24:32 41# = q+ 13:24:38 40# = q- 13:24:58 61# 13:25:16 60# 13:25:17 +??P2 13:25:57 zakim, ??P2 is me 13:25:57 +klaus; got it 13:26:27 +[IPcaller] 13:27:19 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:27:19 On the phone I see Kerstin, klaus, [IPcaller] 13:27:29 zakim, mute me 13:27:29 klaus should now be muted 13:27:35 +[IPcaller.a] 13:28:00 zakim, mute me 13:28:00 Kerstin should now be muted 13:28:06 markel has joined #rd 13:28:07 Luz has joined #rd 13:28:39 +Shadi 13:29:47 Justin has joined #rd 13:29:58 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:29:58 On the phone I see Kerstin (muted), klaus (muted), [IPcaller], [IPcaller.a], Shadi 13:30:01 +[IPcaller.aa] 13:30:09 zakim, IPcaller.aa is me 13:30:09 +vivienne; got it 13:30:24 Yehya has joined #rd 13:30:44 +Yehya 13:30:51 zakim, IPcaller is me 13:30:51 +Justin; got it 13:31:11 zakim, mute me 13:31:11 Justin should now be muted 13:31:26 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:31:26 On the phone I see Kerstin (muted), klaus (muted), Justin (muted), [IPcaller.a], Shadi, vivienne, Yehya 13:31:29 zakim, unute me 13:31:29 I don't understand 'unute me', Justin 13:31:30 +??P8 13:31:38 zakim, unmute me 13:31:38 Justin should no longer be muted 13:31:41 Zakim, mute me 13:31:41 Yehya should now be muted 13:31:43 sharper has joined #rd 13:31:45 zakim, ??P8 is markel 13:31:45 +markel; got it 13:31:51 trackbot, start meeting 13:31:51 zakim, please clear the agenda 13:31:51 agenda cleared 13:31:53 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:31:55 Zakim, this will be 7394 13:31:55 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start now 13:31:56 Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference 13:31:56 Date: 29 August 2012 13:32:01 zakim, IPcaller.a is me 13:32:01 sorry, Luz, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller.a' 13:32:03 zakim, this is ipcaller 13:32:03 sorry, shadi, I do not see a conference named 'ipcaller' in progress or scheduled at this time 13:32:03 Chair: Harper_Simon 13:32:03 Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper] 13:32:03 Agenda+ TC Call Distribution Status [shawn] 13:32:04 Agenda+ E2R CfP LAST CALL (25m) - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Topic_4_pre-call [klaus] 13:32:04 Agenda+ Metrics W3C Note Status (5m) [shadi] 13:32:04 Agenda+ Next Topic Discussions (10m) [all] 13:32:05 Agenda+ Issues and Actions (Standing Item): https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/ [sharper] 13:32:07 Agenda+ Any Other Business (Standing Item) [sharper] 13:32:11 zakim, save agenda 13:32:16 zakim, this is rdwg 13:32:17 ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-rd-agenda.rdf 13:32:18 zakim, IPcaller is m 13:32:19 ok, shadi; that matches WAI_RDWG()9:30AM 13:32:19 sorry, Luz, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller' 13:32:19 rrsagent, make logs public 13:32:19 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:32:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-rd-minutes.html sharper 13:32:21 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:32:21 On the phone I see Kerstin (muted), klaus (muted), Justin, [IPcaller.a], Shadi, vivienne, Yehya (muted), markel 13:32:24 zakim, take up item 1 13:32:24 agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper] 13:32:49 zakim, IPcaller.a is me 13:32:49 +Luz; got it 13:32:58 Zakim, unmute me 13:32:58 Luz was not muted, Luz 13:33:02 +??P9 13:33:11 zakim, ??P9 is sharper 13:33:11 +sharper; got it 13:33:26 unmute 13:33:31 zakim, unmute me 13:33:31 Kerstin should no longer be muted 13:33:45 Zakim, mute me 13:33:45 Luz should now be muted 13:33:55 !! 13:34:01 OK, I'll do that 13:34:09 scribe: Markel 13:34:15 zakim, mute me 13:34:15 Shadi should now be muted 13:34:31 zakim, mute me 13:34:31 Kerstin should now be muted 13:34:33 zakim, take item 1 13:34:33 I don't understand 'take item 1', markel 13:34:40 zakim, take up item 1 13:34:40 agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper] 13:34:56 zakim, take up item 2 13:34:56 agendum 2. "TC Call Distribution Status" taken up [from shawn via sharper] 13:35:45 SH: for the text customisation symposium, KM, YY and VC have distributed the call 13:35:46 annika has joined #rd 13:35:50 Agree. 13:36:05 q+ 13:36:06 SH: we can say the call has been distributed 13:36:31 ack me 13:36:33 zakim, take up item 3 13:36:33 agendum 3. "E2R CfP LAST CALL (25m) - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Topic_4_pre-call" taken up [from klaus via sharper] 13:36:39 zakim, mute me 13:36:39 vivienne should now be muted 13:37:06 SAZ: one minor comment, we missed the W3C advisory committee, I'll add that to the wiki 13:37:09 zakim, mute me 13:37:09 Shadi should now be muted 13:37:48 SH: we agreed that the call should be sorted out for this week..so that we give time to authors 13:37:51 zakim, unmute me 13:37:51 klaus should no longer be muted 13:38:46 KM: the call has been updated..I'll focus on the CFP 13:38:57 regrets+ Thiessen_Peter 13:39:20 zakim, mute me 13:39:20 klaus should now be muted 13:39:28 SH: do we think this is suitable to be distributed? 13:39:35 q+ 13:39:39 q+ 13:39:41 ack Kerstin 13:39:42 zakim, unmute me 13:39:42 klaus should no longer be muted 13:39:57 ack klaus 13:40:01 zakim, mute kerstin 13:40:01 Kerstin should now be muted 13:40:03 KM: I'd like to add something…I'd like to postpone the deadline 13:40:42 KM: the proposal is (SAZ agrees) to put off one week the submission date 13:40:43 zakim, mute me 13:40:43 klaus should now be muted 13:41:02 christos has joined #rd 13:41:13 SH: the text customisation is already available 13:41:17 agree 13:41:20 +1 13:41:20 +1 13:41:23 SH: should we move back one week? 13:41:26 +1 13:41:28 +1 13:41:31 +1 13:41:36 +1 if it does not cause much pain 13:41:38 +1 13:41:42 +??P1 13:41:48 (agree if chairs/reviewers can guarantee the remaining deadline) 13:41:50 ;) 13:41:57 zakim, ??P1 is me 13:41:57 +christos; got it 13:42:05 zakim, mute me 13:42:05 christos should now be muted 13:42:32 RESOLVED: the call for text customisation will be postponed one week 13:42:32 + 13:42:47 ack me 13:43:18 RESOLVED: the call and submission deadline for text customisation will be postponed one week 13:43:52 SAZ: the call has gone through some very good updates 13:44:13 SAZ: KM is worried about having two calls close to each other 13:46:07 q+ 13:46:11 ack v 13:46:11 ack me 13:46:14 q+ 13:46:15 I agree. 13:46:24 q+ 13:46:40 VC: SAZ, do you mean you're gonna make editorial comments, and then send it as a CFP? 13:47:29 SAZ: that was my next question.. 13:47:32 ack me 13:47:43 SH: do we want to release it tomorrow? 13:47:50 zakim, unmute me 13:47:50 Kerstin was not muted, Kerstin 13:47:59 zakim, ack me 13:47:59 I see klaus on the speaker queue 13:48:05 klaus first 13:48:11 zakim, unmute me 13:48:11 klaus should no longer be muted 13:48:19 ack kla 13:49:16 zakim, mute me 13:49:16 klaus should now be muted 13:49:24 KM: if the call is not ready we should postpone not only the call but also the deadline for submission and maybe postpone the other deadlines which may entail that co-operation with text customisation can be hindered 13:49:29 zakim, unmute me 13:49:29 Kerstin was not muted, Kerstin 13:49:41 doesn't work, but agree with klaus 13:49:51 :) 13:50:05 I agree with Klaus also 13:50:05 KM: do we think it is necessary to co-operate and co-ordinate with text customisation 13:50:25 +1 13:50:26 +1 (this is the agreement) 13:50:28 +1 13:50:30 SH: do we feel it is important that text customisation should be linked to E2R 13:50:32 +1 13:50:32 +1 13:50:32 +1 13:50:33 +1 13:50:36 +1 13:50:37 +1 13:51:07 SH: there is no option to deliver the CFP by the end of this week 13:51:23 SH: do we agree that we don't want to see the CFP again? 13:51:23 +1 absolutely 13:51:23 Yes, I've already gone through an edit 13:52:05 SAZ: there were several, editorially significant changes although the conveyed meaning is the same 13:53:02 +1 13:53:07 SH: are we happy that the CFP is handled by the chairs in collaboration with whoever who want to help? 13:53:09 +1 13:53:10 zakim, mute me 13:53:10 vivienne should now be muted 13:53:10 +1 13:53:12 +1 13:53:15 +1 13:53:17 +1 13:53:25 +1 13:53:30 +1 13:53:58 RESOLVED: the call for papers will not be seen again 13:54:32 zakim, unmute me 13:54:32 klaus should no longer be muted 13:54:37 SH: KM, when the call is ready, let me know so that we can distribute it 13:54:49 KM: yes, we'll do that and let you know 13:54:52 zakim, mute me 13:54:52 klaus should now be muted 13:55:25 zakim, take up item 4 13:55:25 agendum 4. "Metrics W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from shadi via sharper] 13:56:21 SAZ: we basically have set up from WAI perspective. Unfortunately the webmaster is unavailable tomorrow. 13:56:47 SH:it'll be fine next week 13:57:42 SH: I'll be happy if it is the 3rd of the 5th 13:58:37 30the September vs later? 13:58:37 SAZ: usually announcing does not get much comments. we need to make more promotion (personalised promotion)..maybe we need to extend the period 13:58:52 SH: do we think we will not need more time 13:58:55 I think end of September is fine. 13:58:56 s/announcing does/announcing alone does 13:59:10 MV: the sooner the better 13:59:16 ...wouldn't delay this 13:59:50 SAZ: MV, would you be ready to fwd announcements to groups and send feedback 14:00:00 MV: sure 14:00:09 +1 14:00:11 +q 14:00:12 so, friday 28th? 14:00:20 ack mark 14:01:02 MV: do we know anything about the template for the symposium? 14:01:24 SAZ: which template are we talking about? 14:01:34 SH: is called RD symposium design 14:01:41 http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/rd/home.html 14:02:23 SH: this will discussed in the coordination group 14:03:38 SAZ: we already have an agreement, SLH has been working on it…there might be some browser issues.. we want to use it for the following announcements 14:03:50 +1 14:03:52 +q 14:03:57 ack mar 14:05:02 MV: will the previous symposia get this format? 14:05:11 SAZ: yes, it'll go backwards 14:05:33 SH: SLH made some comment about the mobile note 14:05:35 zakim, mute me 14:05:35 Shadi should now be muted 14:06:28 SH: PT, YY and SH have been editing..should be completed by the end of September…the coordination group and Judy may have some feedback on the roadmap 14:06:32 q+ 14:06:49 zakim, take up item 5 14:06:49 agendum 5. "Next Topic Discussions (10m)" taken up [from all via sharper] 14:06:50 ack shadi 14:06:53 ack me 14:07:15 regrets+ Brajnik_Giorgio 14:07:28 http://www.hcii2013.org/ 14:07:28 regrets+ Yesilada_Yeliz 14:07:38 SAZ: with the metrics symposium we created a session in ICCHP by requesting papers from the symposium 14:08:48 SAZ: does the group think HCII is a good opportunity and the chairs will be willing to organise a session? 14:09:28 SAZ: the editors would be willing to submit a position paper 14:09:30 +q 14:09:34 ack mar 14:09:35 s/willing to organise a session/willing to submit a position paper 14:10:05 sorry i'm not able to find my app 14:10:51 markel has joined #rd 14:11:41 +1 14:11:41 I don't know the congress, sorry. 14:11:45 +??P26 14:11:46 +1 usually, yes 14:11:56 :-) 14:12:05 Yes, I think HCII is a good place for that 14:12:09 zakim, ??P26 is markel 14:12:09 +markel; got it 14:12:58 q+ 14:13:29 ack sha 14:13:31 ack me 14:13:57 MV: the h-index may be harmed because the citations would be split up 14:14:08 SAZ: i'm not sure about such indexes 14:14:53 SAZ: the authors could point back to the symposium paper 14:15:32 +q 14:15:48 q- 14:15:49 ack markel 14:17:08 +q 14:17:10 SAZ: we see researchers not knowing about WAI activities 14:17:37 SAZ: the idea is to get the message out 14:17:45 -Justin 14:17:45 ack just 14:17:59 oops - my connection just dropped out 14:19:01 +q 14:19:11 ack Kla 14:19:11 zakim, unmute me 14:19:13 klaus should no longer be muted 14:19:16 +??P3 14:19:39 zakim, p3 is me 14:19:39 sorry, Justin, I do not recognize a party named 'p3' 14:19:50 zakim, ??p3 is me 14:19:50 +Justin; got it 14:20:13 KM: providing an extension to the work submitted to the symposium somewhere else is a good opportunity 14:20:16 zakim, mute me 14:20:16 klaus should now be muted 14:21:30 JB: we normally look at ACM and IEEE when doing research..when talking about this conference are we targeting the research community or somebody else? 14:21:35 SAZ: research community 14:22:00 JB: so we should strive to target proper venues 14:23:07 SAZ: we can discuss on some other time how to extend work done in our symposia and do not harm research metrics 14:23:22 zakim, take up item 6 14:23:22 agendum 6. "Issues and Actions (Standing Item): https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/" taken up [from sharper] 14:24:04 http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Main_Page 14:24:16 zakim, take up item 5 14:24:16 agendum 5. "Next Topic Discussions (10m)" taken up [from all via sharper] 14:24:39 SH: does anybody want to discuss possible future symposia? 14:24:41 q+ 14:24:45 ack me 14:24:45 ack shadi 14:26:01 SAZ: we have had some internal discussion W3Cwise about this…sth about the industrial value of accessibility…applied aspects of the selected topics 14:26:30 SAZ: one of things which is hot now is the 3D markup languages 14:27:05 zakim, mute me 14:27:05 Shadi should now be muted 14:27:15 q+ 14:27:15 q+ 14:27:18 ack me 14:27:21 ack viv 14:27:27 SH: any other comments on what is interesting and on editing? 14:28:41 VC: it is very controversial now in Australia…auditing accessibility is a hot issue involving governments and industry 14:28:44 zakim, mute me 14:28:44 vivienne should now be muted 14:28:48 ack just 14:29:39 JB: I also think that auditing is interesting also authoring accessibility…I'd be interested in being involved... 14:29:55 SH: if you are volunteering to be editors please email me 14:30:06 q+ 14:30:19 ack me 14:30:20 ack shad 14:31:02 SAZ: editing the wiki is a prerequisite 14:31:20 SAZ: please keep feeding it 14:32:15 SH: without editors there is no topic 14:32:16 i will email you this week simon 14:32:30 ok, the week after :) 14:33:23 SAZ: maybe next week we can discuss communication infrastructure issues 14:33:27 bye now 14:33:31 Thank you. 14:33:31 vivienne has left #rd 14:33:32 :_) 14:33:34 :-) 14:33:35 bye bye 14:33:38 thank you + bye 14:33:39 thanks 14:33:41 bye 14:33:41 bye bye 14:33:41 ok 14:33:42 -sharper 14:33:43 -vivienne 14:33:43 -Justin 14:33:46 -markel 14:33:49 -Yehya 14:33:51 zakim, unmute me 14:33:51 klaus should no longer be muted 14:33:56 -Luz 14:34:01 zakim, who is on the phone? 14:34:01 On the phone I see Kerstin, klaus, Shadi, christos (muted), markel.a 14:34:03 zakim, unmute me 14:34:03 Kerstin was not muted, Kerstin 14:34:13 zakim, unmute kerstin 14:34:13 Kerstin was not muted, shadi 14:34:20 ich habe kein lokales mikro ausgeschaltet 14:34:22 höre euch 14:34:30 ja 14:34:32 ja 14:34:44