IRC log of rd on 2012-08-29

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RRSAgent, make logs world

13:17:25 [trackbot]

Zakim, this will be 7394

13:17:25 [Zakim]

ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes

13:17:26 [trackbot]

Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference

13:17:26 [trackbot]

Date: 29 August 2012

13:18:18 [shadi]

zakim, code?

13:18:18 [Zakim]

the conference code is 7394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), shadi

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WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started

13:19:27 [Zakim]

+??P0

13:19:44 [vivienne]

vivienne has joined #rd

13:20:19 [shadi]

zakim, ??pX is me

13:20:19 [Zakim]

sorry, shadi, I do not recognize a party named '??pX'

13:20:31 [Kerstin]

zakim,??p0

13:20:31 [Zakim]

I don't understand '??p0', Kerstin

13:20:56 [Kerstin]

zakim,??p0 is me

13:20:56 [Zakim]

+Kerstin; got it

13:21:15 [shadi]

zakim, mute me

13:21:15 [Zakim]

sorry, shadi, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

13:21:40 [Kerstin]

zakim, mute me

13:21:40 [Zakim]

sorry, Kerstin, muting is not permitted when only one person is present

13:21:55 [shadi]

zakim, unmute me

13:21:55 [Zakim]

sorry, shadi, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

13:21:57 [Kerstin]

zakim, unmute me

13:21:57 [Zakim]

ok Kerstin, muting is not permitted when only one person is present

13:22:10 [shadi]

q+

13:22:38 [shadi]

ack me

13:22:48 [shadi]

ack

13:22:53 [shadi]

q-

13:23:05 [shadi]

q-

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klaus has joined #rd

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41#

13:24:32 [shadi]

41# = q+

13:24:38 [shadi]

40# = q-

13:24:58 [shadi]

61#

13:25:16 [shadi]

60#

13:25:17 [Zakim]

+??P2

13:25:57 [klaus]

zakim, ??P2 is me

13:25:57 [Zakim]

+klaus; got it

13:26:27 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

13:27:19 [shadi]

zakim, who is on the phone?

13:27:19 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Kerstin, klaus, [IPcaller]

13:27:29 [klaus]

zakim, mute me

13:27:29 [Zakim]

klaus should now be muted

13:27:35 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller.a]

13:28:00 [Kerstin]

zakim, mute me

13:28:00 [Zakim]

Kerstin should now be muted

13:28:06 [markel]

markel has joined #rd

13:28:07 [Luz]

Luz has joined #rd

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+Shadi

13:29:47 [Justin]

Justin has joined #rd

13:29:58 [shadi]

zakim, who is on the phone?

13:29:58 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Kerstin (muted), klaus (muted), [IPcaller], [IPcaller.a], Shadi

13:30:01 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller.aa]

13:30:09 [vivienne]

zakim, IPcaller.aa is me

13:30:09 [Zakim]

+vivienne; got it

13:30:24 [Yehya]

Yehya has joined #rd

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+Yehya

13:30:51 [Justin]

zakim, IPcaller is me

13:30:51 [Zakim]

+Justin; got it

13:31:11 [Justin]

zakim, mute me

13:31:11 [Zakim]

Justin should now be muted

13:31:26 [shadi]

zakim, who is on the phone?

13:31:26 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Kerstin (muted), klaus (muted), Justin (muted), [IPcaller.a], Shadi, vivienne, Yehya

13:31:29 [Justin]

zakim, unute me

13:31:29 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'unute me', Justin

13:31:30 [Zakim]

+??P8

13:31:38 [Justin]

zakim, unmute me

13:31:38 [Zakim]

Justin should no longer be muted

13:31:41 [Yehya]

Zakim, mute me

13:31:41 [Zakim]

Yehya should now be muted

13:31:43 [sharper]

sharper has joined #rd

13:31:45 [markel]

zakim, ??P8 is markel

13:31:45 [Zakim]

+markel; got it

13:31:51 [sharper]

trackbot, start meeting

13:31:51 [sharper]

zakim, please clear the agenda

13:31:51 [Zakim]

agenda cleared

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RRSAgent, make logs world

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Zakim, this will be 7394

13:31:55 [Zakim]

ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start now

13:31:56 [trackbot]

Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference

13:31:56 [trackbot]

Date: 29 August 2012

13:32:01 [Luz]

zakim, IPcaller.a is me

13:32:01 [Zakim]

sorry, Luz, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller.a'

13:32:03 [shadi]

zakim, this is ipcaller

13:32:03 [Zakim]

sorry, shadi, I do not see a conference named 'ipcaller' in progress or scheduled at this time

13:32:03 [sharper]

Chair: Harper_Simon

13:32:03 [sharper]

Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]

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Agenda+ TC Call Distribution Status [shawn]

13:32:04 [sharper]

Agenda+ E2R CfP LAST CALL (25m) - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Topic_4_pre-call [klaus]

13:32:04 [sharper]

Agenda+ Metrics W3C Note Status (5m) [shadi]

13:32:04 [sharper]

Agenda+ Next Topic Discussions (10m) [all]

13:32:05 [sharper]

Agenda+ Issues and Actions (Standing Item): https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/ [sharper]

13:32:07 [sharper]

Agenda+ Any Other Business (Standing Item) [sharper]

13:32:11 [sharper]

zakim, save agenda

13:32:16 [shadi]

zakim, this is rdwg

13:32:17 [Zakim]

ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-rd-agenda.rdf

13:32:18 [Luz]

zakim, IPcaller is m

13:32:19 [Zakim]

ok, shadi; that matches WAI_RDWG()9:30AM

13:32:19 [Zakim]

sorry, Luz, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller'

13:32:19 [sharper]

rrsagent, make logs public

13:32:19 [sharper]

rrsagent, draft minutes

13:32:19 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-rd-minutes.html sharper

13:32:21 [shadi]

zakim, who is on the phone?

13:32:21 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Kerstin (muted), klaus (muted), Justin, [IPcaller.a], Shadi, vivienne, Yehya (muted), markel

13:32:24 [sharper]

zakim, take up item 1

13:32:24 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]

13:32:49 [Luz]

zakim, IPcaller.a is me

13:32:49 [Zakim]

+Luz; got it

13:32:58 [Luz]

Zakim, unmute me

13:32:58 [Zakim]

Luz was not muted, Luz

13:33:02 [Zakim]

+??P9

13:33:11 [sharper]

zakim, ??P9 is sharper

13:33:11 [Zakim]

+sharper; got it

13:33:26 [Kerstin]

unmute

13:33:31 [Kerstin]

zakim, unmute me

13:33:31 [Zakim]

Kerstin should no longer be muted

13:33:45 [Luz]

Zakim, mute me

13:33:45 [Zakim]

Luz should now be muted

13:33:55 [markel]

!!

13:34:01 [markel]

OK, I'll do that

13:34:09 [shadi]

scribe: Markel

13:34:15 [shadi]

zakim, mute me

13:34:15 [Zakim]

Shadi should now be muted

13:34:31 [Kerstin]

zakim, mute me

13:34:31 [Zakim]

Kerstin should now be muted

13:34:33 [markel]

zakim, take item 1

13:34:33 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'take item 1', markel

13:34:40 [markel]

zakim, take up item 1

13:34:40 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]

13:34:56 [markel]

zakim, take up item 2

13:34:56 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "TC Call Distribution Status" taken up [from shawn via sharper]

13:35:45 [markel]

SH: for the text customisation symposium, KM, YY and VC have distributed the call

13:35:46 [annika]

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13:35:50 [Luz]

Agree.

13:36:05 [shadi]

q+

13:36:06 [markel]

SH: we can say the call has been distributed

13:36:31 [shadi]

ack me

13:36:33 [markel]

zakim, take up item 3

13:36:33 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "E2R CfP LAST CALL (25m) - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Topic_4_pre-call" taken up [from klaus via sharper]

13:36:39 [vivienne]

zakim, mute me

13:36:39 [Zakim]

vivienne should now be muted

13:37:06 [markel]

SAZ: one minor comment, we missed the W3C advisory committee, I'll add that to the wiki

13:37:09 [shadi]

zakim, mute me

13:37:09 [Zakim]

Shadi should now be muted

13:37:48 [markel]

SH: we agreed that the call should be sorted out for this week..so that we give time to authors

13:37:51 [klaus]

zakim, unmute me

13:37:51 [Zakim]

klaus should no longer be muted

13:38:46 [markel]

KM: the call has been updated..I'll focus on the CFP

13:38:57 [sharper]

regrets+ Thiessen_Peter

13:39:20 [klaus]

zakim, mute me

13:39:20 [Zakim]

klaus should now be muted

13:39:28 [markel]

SH: do we think this is suitable to be distributed?

13:39:35 [klaus]

q+

13:39:39 [shadi]

q+

13:39:41 [sharper]

ack Kerstin

13:39:42 [klaus]

zakim, unmute me

13:39:42 [Zakim]

klaus should no longer be muted

13:39:57 [sharper]

ack klaus

13:40:01 [shadi]

zakim, mute kerstin

13:40:01 [Zakim]

Kerstin should now be muted

13:40:03 [markel]

KM: I'd like to add something…I'd like to postpone the deadline

13:40:42 [markel]

KM: the proposal is (SAZ agrees) to put off one week the submission date

13:40:43 [klaus]

zakim, mute me

13:40:43 [Zakim]

klaus should now be muted

13:41:02 [christos]

christos has joined #rd

13:41:13 [markel]

SH: the text customisation is already available

13:41:17 [Kerstin]

agree

13:41:20 [klaus]

+1

13:41:20 [vivienne]

+1

13:41:23 [markel]

SH: should we move back one week?

13:41:26 [Justin]

+1

13:41:28 [Yehya]

+1

13:41:31 [Luz]

+1

13:41:36 [markel]

+1 if it does not cause much pain

13:41:38 [sharper]

+1

13:41:42 [Zakim]

+??P1

13:41:48 [shadi]

(agree if chairs/reviewers can guarantee the remaining deadline)

13:41:50 [shadi]

;)

13:41:57 [christos]

zakim, ??P1 is me

13:41:57 [Zakim]

+christos; got it

13:42:05 [christos]

zakim, mute me

13:42:05 [Zakim]

christos should now be muted

13:42:32 [markel]

RESOLVED: the call for text customisation will be postponed one week

13:42:32 [markel]

+

13:42:47 [shadi]

ack me

13:43:18 [markel]

RESOLVED: the call and submission deadline for text customisation will be postponed one week

13:43:52 [markel]

SAZ: the call has gone through some very good updates

13:44:13 [markel]

SAZ: KM is worried about having two calls close to each other

13:46:07 [vivienne]

q+

13:46:11 [sharper]

ack v

13:46:11 [vivienne]

ack me

13:46:14 [klaus]

q+

13:46:15 [Luz]

I agree.

13:46:24 [Kerstin]

q+

13:46:40 [markel]

VC: SAZ, do you mean you're gonna make editorial comments, and then send it as a CFP?

13:47:29 [markel]

SAZ: that was my next question..

13:47:32 [Kerstin]

ack me

13:47:43 [markel]

SH: do we want to release it tomorrow?

13:47:50 [Kerstin]

zakim, unmute me

13:47:50 [Zakim]

Kerstin was not muted, Kerstin

13:47:59 [Kerstin]

zakim, ack me

13:47:59 [Zakim]

I see klaus on the speaker queue

13:48:05 [Kerstin]

klaus first

13:48:11 [klaus]

zakim, unmute me

13:48:11 [Zakim]

klaus should no longer be muted

13:48:19 [sharper]

ack kla

13:49:16 [klaus]

zakim, mute me

13:49:16 [Zakim]

klaus should now be muted

13:49:24 [markel]

KM: if the call is not ready we should postpone not only the call but also the deadline for submission and maybe postpone the other deadlines which may entail that co-operation with text customisation can be hindered

13:49:29 [Kerstin]

zakim, unmute me

13:49:29 [Zakim]

Kerstin was not muted, Kerstin

13:49:41 [Kerstin]

doesn't work, but agree with klaus

13:49:51 [Kerstin]

:)

13:50:05 [vivienne]

I agree with Klaus also

13:50:05 [markel]

KM: do we think it is necessary to co-operate and co-ordinate with text customisation

13:50:25 [vivienne]

+1

13:50:26 [shadi]

+1 (this is the agreement)

13:50:28 [Kerstin]

+1

13:50:30 [markel]

SH: do we feel it is important that text customisation should be linked to E2R

13:50:32 [sharper]

+1

13:50:32 [markel]

+1

13:50:32 [christos]

+1

13:50:33 [Yehya]

+1

13:50:36 [Luz]

+1

13:50:37 [Justin]

+1

13:51:07 [markel]

SH: there is no option to deliver the CFP by the end of this week

13:51:23 [markel]

SH: do we agree that we don't want to see the CFP again?

13:51:23 [Justin]

+1 absolutely

13:51:23 [vivienne]

Yes, I've already gone through an edit

13:52:05 [markel]

SAZ: there were several, editorially significant changes although the conveyed meaning is the same

13:53:02 [vivienne]

+1

13:53:07 [markel]

SH: are we happy that the CFP is handled by the chairs in collaboration with whoever who want to help?

13:53:09 [markel]

+1

13:53:10 [vivienne]

zakim, mute me

13:53:10 [Zakim]

vivienne should now be muted

13:53:10 [Yehya]

+1

13:53:12 [christos]

+1

13:53:15 [Justin]

+1

13:53:17 [sharper]

+1

13:53:25 [vivienne]

+1

13:53:30 [Luz]

+1

13:53:58 [markel]

RESOLVED: the call for papers will not be seen again

13:54:32 [klaus]

zakim, unmute me

13:54:32 [Zakim]

klaus should no longer be muted

13:54:37 [markel]

SH: KM, when the call is ready, let me know so that we can distribute it

13:54:49 [markel]

KM: yes, we'll do that and let you know

13:54:52 [klaus]

zakim, mute me

13:54:52 [Zakim]

klaus should now be muted

13:55:25 [markel]

zakim, take up item 4

13:55:25 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "Metrics W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from shadi via sharper]

13:56:21 [markel]

SAZ: we basically have set up from WAI perspective. Unfortunately the webmaster is unavailable tomorrow.

13:56:47 [markel]

SH:it'll be fine next week

13:57:42 [markel]

SH: I'll be happy if it is the 3rd of the 5th

13:58:37 [shadi]

30the September vs later?

13:58:37 [markel]

SAZ: usually announcing does not get much comments. we need to make more promotion (personalised promotion)..maybe we need to extend the period

13:58:52 [markel]

SH: do we think we will not need more time

13:58:55 [Luz]

I think end of September is fine.

13:58:56 [shadi]

s/announcing does/announcing alone does

13:59:10 [shadi]

MV: the sooner the better

13:59:16 [shadi]

...wouldn't delay this

13:59:50 [markel]

SAZ: MV, would you be ready to fwd announcements to groups and send feedback

14:00:00 [markel]

MV: sure

14:00:09 [markel]

+1

14:00:11 [markel]

+q

14:00:12 [Justin]

so, friday 28th?

14:00:20 [sharper]

ack mark

14:01:02 [markel]

MV: do we know anything about the template for the symposium?

14:01:24 [markel]

SAZ: which template are we talking about?

14:01:34 [markel]

SH: is called RD symposium design

14:01:41 [sharper]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/rd/home.html

14:02:23 [markel]

SH: this will discussed in the coordination group

14:03:38 [markel]

SAZ: we already have an agreement, SLH has been working on it…there might be some browser issues.. we want to use it for the following announcements

14:03:50 [markel]

+1

14:03:52 [markel]

+q

14:03:57 [sharper]

ack mar

14:05:02 [markel]

MV: will the previous symposia get this format?

14:05:11 [markel]

SAZ: yes, it'll go backwards

14:05:33 [markel]

SH: SLH made some comment about the mobile note

14:05:35 [shadi]

zakim, mute me

14:05:35 [Zakim]

Shadi should now be muted

14:06:28 [markel]

SH: PT, YY and SH have been editing..should be completed by the end of September…the coordination group and Judy may have some feedback on the roadmap

14:06:32 [shadi]

q+

14:06:49 [markel]

zakim, take up item 5

14:06:49 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "Next Topic Discussions (10m)" taken up [from all via sharper]

14:06:50 [sharper]

ack shadi

14:06:53 [shadi]

ack me

14:07:15 [sharper]

regrets+ Brajnik_Giorgio

14:07:28 [shadi]

http://www.hcii2013.org/

14:07:28 [sharper]

regrets+ Yesilada_Yeliz

14:07:38 [markel]

SAZ: with the metrics symposium we created a session in ICCHP by requesting papers from the symposium

14:08:48 [markel]

SAZ: does the group think HCII is a good opportunity and the chairs will be willing to organise a session?

14:09:28 [markel]

SAZ: the editors would be willing to submit a position paper

14:09:30 [markel]

+q

14:09:34 [sharper]

ack mar

14:09:35 [shadi]

s/willing to organise a session/willing to submit a position paper

14:10:05 [markel]

sorry i'm not able to find my app

14:10:51 [markel]

markel has joined #rd

14:11:41 [klaus]

+1

14:11:41 [Luz]

I don't know the congress, sorry.

14:11:45 [Zakim]

+??P26

14:11:46 [Kerstin]

+1 usually, yes

14:11:56 [Luz]

:-)

14:12:05 [Yehya]

Yes, I think HCII is a good place for that

14:12:09 [markel]

zakim, ??P26 is markel

14:12:09 [Zakim]

+markel; got it

14:12:58 [shadi]

q+

14:13:29 [sharper]

ack sha

14:13:31 [shadi]

ack me

14:13:57 [markel]

MV: the h-index may be harmed because the citations would be split up

14:14:08 [markel]

SAZ: i'm not sure about such indexes

14:14:53 [markel]

SAZ: the authors could point back to the symposium paper

14:15:32 [markel]

+q

14:15:48 [markel]

q-

14:15:49 [sharper]

ack markel

14:17:08 [Justin]

+q

14:17:10 [markel]

SAZ: we see researchers not knowing about WAI activities

14:17:37 [markel]

SAZ: the idea is to get the message out

14:17:45 [Zakim]

-Justin

14:17:45 [sharper]

ack just

14:17:59 [Justin]

oops - my connection just dropped out

14:19:01 [klaus]

+q

14:19:11 [sharper]

ack Kla

14:19:11 [klaus]

zakim, unmute me

14:19:13 [Zakim]

klaus should no longer be muted

14:19:16 [Zakim]

+??P3

14:19:39 [Justin]

zakim, p3 is me

14:19:39 [Zakim]

sorry, Justin, I do not recognize a party named 'p3'

14:19:50 [Justin]

zakim, ??p3 is me

14:19:50 [Zakim]

+Justin; got it

14:20:13 [markel]

KM: providing an extension to the work submitted to the symposium somewhere else is a good opportunity

14:20:16 [klaus]

zakim, mute me

14:20:16 [Zakim]

klaus should now be muted

14:21:30 [markel]

JB: we normally look at ACM and IEEE when doing research..when talking about this conference are we targeting the research community or somebody else?

14:21:35 [markel]

SAZ: research community

14:22:00 [markel]

JB: so we should strive to target proper venues

14:23:07 [markel]

SAZ: we can discuss on some other time how to extend work done in our symposia and do not harm research metrics

14:23:22 [markel]

zakim, take up item 6

14:23:22 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "Issues and Actions (Standing Item): https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/" taken up [from sharper]

14:24:04 [sharper]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Main_Page

14:24:16 [markel]

zakim, take up item 5

14:24:16 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "Next Topic Discussions (10m)" taken up [from all via sharper]

14:24:39 [markel]

SH: does anybody want to discuss possible future symposia?

14:24:41 [shadi]

q+

14:24:45 [shadi]

ack me

14:24:45 [sharper]

ack shadi

14:26:01 [markel]

SAZ: we have had some internal discussion W3Cwise about this…sth about the industrial value of accessibility…applied aspects of the selected topics

14:26:30 [markel]

SAZ: one of things which is hot now is the 3D markup languages

14:27:05 [shadi]

zakim, mute me

14:27:05 [Zakim]

Shadi should now be muted

14:27:15 [vivienne]

q+

14:27:15 [Justin]

q+

14:27:18 [vivienne]

ack me

14:27:21 [sharper]

ack viv

14:27:27 [markel]

SH: any other comments on what is interesting and on editing?

14:28:41 [markel]

VC: it is very controversial now in Australia…auditing accessibility is a hot issue involving governments and industry

14:28:44 [vivienne]

zakim, mute me

14:28:44 [Zakim]

vivienne should now be muted

14:28:48 [sharper]

ack just

14:29:39 [markel]

JB: I also think that auditing is interesting also authoring accessibility…I'd be interested in being involved...

14:29:55 [markel]

SH: if you are volunteering to be editors please email me

14:30:06 [shadi]

q+

14:30:19 [shadi]

ack me

14:30:20 [sharper]

ack shad

14:31:02 [markel]

SAZ: editing the wiki is a prerequisite

14:31:20 [markel]

SAZ: please keep feeding it

14:32:15 [markel]

SH: without editors there is no topic

14:32:16 [Justin]

i will email you this week simon

14:32:30 [Justin]

ok, the week after :)

14:33:23 [markel]

SAZ: maybe next week we can discuss communication infrastructure issues

14:33:27 [vivienne]

bye now

14:33:31 [Luz]

Thank you.

14:33:31 [vivienne]

vivienne has left #rd

14:33:32 [markel]

:_)

14:33:34 [markel]

:-)

14:33:35 [Yehya]

bye bye

14:33:38 [Kerstin]

thank you + bye

14:33:39 [klaus]

thanks

14:33:41 [christos]

bye

14:33:41 [Luz]

bye bye

14:33:41 [Kerstin]

ok

14:33:42 [Zakim]

-sharper

14:33:43 [Zakim]

-vivienne

14:33:43 [Zakim]

-Justin

14:33:46 [Zakim]

-markel

14:33:49 [Zakim]

-Yehya

14:33:51 [klaus]

zakim, unmute me

14:33:51 [Zakim]

klaus should no longer be muted

14:33:56 [Zakim]

-Luz

14:34:01 [shadi]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:34:01 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Kerstin, klaus, Shadi, christos (muted), markel.a

14:34:03 [Kerstin]

zakim, unmute me

14:34:03 [Zakim]

Kerstin was not muted, Kerstin

14:34:13 [shadi]

zakim, unmute kerstin

14:34:13 [Zakim]

Kerstin was not muted, shadi

14:34:20 [Kerstin]

ich habe kein lokales mikro ausgeschaltet

14:34:22 [Kerstin]

höre euch

14:34:30 [Kerstin]

ja

14:34:32 [Kerstin]

ja

14:34:44 [Kerstin]

komme rüber...

14:35:05 [Zakim]

-Shadi

14:35:11 [shadi]

trackbot, end meeting

14:35:11 [trackbot]

Zakim, list attendees

14:35:11 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been Kerstin, klaus, Shadi, vivienne, Yehya, Justin, markel, Luz, sharper, christos

14:35:11 [klaus]

-klaus

14:35:19 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

14:35:19 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/29-rd-minutes.html trackbot

14:35:20 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, bye

14:35:20 [RRSAgent]

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