IRC log of egov on 2012-08-24

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15:01:44 [RRSAgent]: RRSAgent has joined #egov
15:01:44 [RRSAgent]: logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/08/24-egov-irc
15:01:51 [PhilA]: zakim, code?
15:01:51 [Zakim]: sorry, PhilA, I don't know what conference this is
15:01:56 [PhilA]: zakim, this is egov
15:01:56 [Zakim]: ok, PhilA; that matches T&S_EGOV(Atlantic)11:00AM
15:02:01 [PhilA]: zakim, code?
15:02:01 [Zakim]: the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA
15:02:10 [EthanMcmahon]: EthanMcmahon has joined #egov
15:02:25 [Zakim]: + +1.973.325.aagg
15:02:39 [olyerickson]: zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:39 [Zakim]: On the phone I see +1.508.333.aaaa, sandro, +3539149aabb, ??P15, +1.202.566.aacc, +1.509.464.aadd, +1.818.434.aaee, ??P19, +1.914.262.aaff, +1.973.325.aagg
15:02:44 [Zakim]: + +1.615.253.aahh
15:02:51 [Jeanne_]: Jeanne is 1.818.434
15:03:07 [Zakim]: +??P25
15:03:10 [PhilA]: zakim, ??P25 is me
15:03:10 [Zakim]: +PhilA; got it
15:03:15 [dickg]: Zakim, dickg is aaaa
15:03:15 [Zakim]: sorry, dickg, I do not recognize a party named 'dickg'
15:03:16 [olyerickson]: Zakim, I am ??p15.
15:03:17 [Zakim]: +olyerickson; got it
15:03:34 [olyerickson]: zakim, mute me.
15:03:34 [Zakim]: olyerickson should now be muted
15:03:45 [olyerickson]: zakim, unmute me.
15:03:45 [Zakim]: olyerickson should no longer be muted
15:03:49 [dickg]: Zakim, aaaa is dickg
15:03:49 [Zakim]: +dickg; got it
15:04:02 [DeirdreLee]: Zakim, I am ??+3539149aabb
15:04:02 [Zakim]: sorry, DeirdreLee, I do not see a party named '??+3539149aabb'
15:04:02 [olyerickson]: zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:03 [Zakim]: On the phone I see dickg, sandro, +3539149aabb, olyerickson, +1.202.566.aacc, +1.509.464.aadd, +1.818.434.aaee, ??P19, +1.914.262.aaff, +1.973.325.aagg, +1.615.253.aahh, PhilA
15:04:07 [PhilA]: zakim, aaaa is dickg
15:04:07 [Zakim]: sorry, PhilA, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
15:04:11 [DeirdreLee]: Zakim, I am +3539149aabb
15:04:11 [Zakim]: +DeirdreLee; got it
15:04:29 [PhilA]: zakim, +1.508.333.aaaa is dickg
15:04:29 [Zakim]: sorry, PhilA, I do not recognize a party named '+1.508.333.aaaa'
15:05:07 [PhilA]: zakim, aaaa is dickg
15:05:07 [Zakim]: sorry, PhilA, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
15:05:11 [Jeanne_]: 615.253 is Bobby Martin from State of Tennessee
15:05:37 [PhilA]: zakim, who is here?
15:05:37 [Zakim]: On the phone I see dickg, sandro, DeirdreLee, olyerickson, +1.202.566.aacc, +1.509.464.aadd, +1.818.434.aaee, ??P19, +1.914.262.aaff, +1.973.325.aagg, +1.615.253.aahh, PhilA
15:05:40 [Zakim]: On IRC I see EthanMcmahon, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, olyerickson, dickg, Jeanne_, DeirdreLee, MacTed, bhyland, edsu, trackbot, sandro
15:06:01 [Jeanne_]: 3539149aabb is DeirdreLee
15:06:37 [BobbiMartin]: BobbiMartin has joined #egov
15:07:17 [Jeanne_]: +1.818.434 is me
15:07:28 [carlos]: carlos has joined #egov
15:07:37 [Jeanne_]: 202.566 is EthanMcmahon
15:07:45 [PhilA]: zakim, aacc is EthanMcmahon
15:07:45 [Zakim]: +EthanMcmahon; got it
15:07:52 [Jeanne_]: +1.509.464 is Rachel Flagg
15:08:07 [PhilA]: zakim, aadd is Rachel Flagg
15:08:07 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'aadd is Rachel Flagg', PhilA
15:08:12 [Jeanne_]: 914.262 Zach Tunis
15:08:17 [PhilA]: zakim, aadd is Rachel_Flagg
15:08:17 [Zakim]: +Rachel_Flagg; got it
15:08:28 [Jeanne_]: 973.327 is Soon Ae Chun
15:08:32 [olyerickson]: zakim, who is on the phone?
15:08:32 [Zakim]: On the phone I see dickg, sandro, DeirdreLee, olyerickson, EthanMcmahon, Rachel_Flagg, +1.818.434.aaee, ??P19, +1.914.262.aaff, +1.973.325.aagg, +1.615.253.aahh, PhilA
15:08:37 [PhilA]: zakim, aagg is Soon_Ae_Chun
15:08:37 [Zakim]: +Soon_Ae_Chun; got it
15:08:58 [EthanMcmahon]: EthanMcmahon has joined #egov
15:09:12 [PhilA]: zakim, aahh is Bobby_Martin
15:09:12 [Zakim]: +Bobby_Martin; got it
15:09:17 [PhilA]: zakim, who is here?
15:09:17 [Zakim]: On the phone I see dickg, sandro, DeirdreLee, olyerickson, EthanMcmahon, Rachel_Flagg, +1.818.434.aaee, ??P19, +1.914.262.aaff, Soon_Ae_Chun, Bobby_Martin, PhilA
15:09:20 [Zakim]: On IRC I see EthanMcmahon, carlos, BobbiMartin, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, olyerickson, dickg, Jeanne_, DeirdreLee, MacTed, bhyland, edsu, trackbot, sandro
15:10:49 [PhilA]: agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2012Aug/0034.html
15:10:58 [PhilA]: chair: Jeanne_
15:11:27 [PhilA]: meeting: eGov IG Atlantic Call, 24 August 2012
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15:13:14 [DeirdreLee]: Scribe: DeirdreLee
15:14:28 [DeirdreLee]: Jeanne introduces speakers
15:14:58 [DeirdreLee]: Carlos Iván Chesñevar, National University of the South, Argentina is first speaker
15:15:03 [Jeanne_]: arlos Ivan Chesnevar--DECIDE 2.0: Intelligent Processing of Citizen Opinions in Social Media (slides can be downloaded at http://cs.uns.edu.ar/~cic/w3c-decide20.zip)
15:15:21 [PhilA]: Slides available at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/images/9/93/EGOV_Meeting_24_August_2012_DECIDE2.0.pdf
15:16:10 [DeirdreLee]: benefits of gov 2.0 tools - new ways of communicating with citizens & new opportunities
15:16:28 [Jeanne_]: Slides for all presentations today are at the eGov wiki: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Main_Page
15:16:38 [PhilA]: Speaker is Carlos Iv�n Ches�evar (cic@cs.uns.edu.ar) http://cs.uns.edu.ar/~cic
15:16:38 [PhilA]: CONICET / Laboratory of Research and Development in Artificial Intelligence
15:16:38 [PhilA]: Department of Computer Science and Engineering Universidad Nacional del Sur Bah�a Blanca, Argentina
15:17:34 [DeirdreLee]: carlos: describes challenges of gov 2.0
15:18:01 [DeirdreLee]: ...introduces Decide 2.0 project
15:18:08 [Zakim]: +Sandro.a
15:18:14 [Zakim]: -sandro
15:21:08 [PhilA]: For the minutes - Carlos' slides contain the bulk of the detail being presented in readily accessible form
15:21:43 [Jeanne_]: Challenge is that citizens post comments and suggestions, but it is hard for government officials to be aware of what these opinions and counter-opinions are
15:22:02 [Anne]: Anne has joined #egov
15:23:04 [Jeanne_]: The framework is on slide 8 and shows how the information is gathered from Facebook, Twitter, and Windowslive to create a citizens' opinion database that creates a contextually understandable argument of pros and cons for government officials to consider
15:24:50 [DeirdreLee]: decide 2.0 Framework utilises tweet sentiment tools
15:25:28 [PhilA]: Looking for idea of how accurate the pos/neg/neutral classification is claimed to be, esp. for Twitter
15:26:29 [DeirdreLee]: All Tweets that have a common context and sentiment are aggregated to form an argument
15:27:19 [PhilA]: Presence of given hashtag seems to be requirement
15:28:30 [PhilA]: I don't think my tweet from 27 July would be picked up https://twitter.com/philarcher1/status/228963650344460288
15:28:38 [olyerickson]: Current slide: 15
15:29:37 [PhilA]: Now on slide 17
15:31:44 [PhilA]: q+
15:32:21 [DeirdreLee]: ack PhilA
15:34:22 [DeirdreLee]: PhilA: Marketing companies claim about 70% accuracy with sentiment analysis, Phil can claim up to 96%, not necessarily needing specific hashtags
15:34:22 [Jeanne_]: PhilA: Looking at accuracy of gathering tweets that refer to Greece without using the #Greece tag. Do decision makers care how accurate the content is or are they looking for a general view of pros and cons?
15:35:44 [DeirdreLee]: main goal was to define opinion trees and counter-arguments
15:36:01 [Jeanne_]: All--if you have a question, just enter +q to be recognized.
15:36:13 [DeirdreLee]: carlos: not necessarily sentiment analysis
15:37:07 [PhilA]: My claim (on behalf of i-sieve Techniologies) of high accuracy in classification of pos/neg and neutral doesn't apply to Twitter where context is absent, only things like blog posts and comments on them
15:37:28 [DeirdreLee]: Jeanne_: where is the challenges in relation to close the loop with decision-makers
15:38:17 [PhilA]: Paraphrasing Jeanne_ "Do government officials actually take any notice?"
15:38:20 [DeirdreLee]: ... once the user comments are organised, is there still challenges in getting decision-makers to respond to the feedback
15:39:57 [PhilA]: A paper was presented at PMOD about South American use of eGov and transparency, see http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_18.pdf and http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/agenda
15:39:58 [DeirdreLee]: carlos: no definite answer to what is the best method in feeding this back to decision-makers, but it can be used to identify critical issues
15:40:13 [BobbiMartin]: Great presentation!
15:40:34 [PhilA]: Topic: Social Media in Government
15:40:35 [PhilA]: Soon Ae Chun, Ph.D
15:40:35 [PhilA]: City University of New York
15:40:35 [PhilA]: College of Staten Island
15:41:40 [PhilA]: Slides are at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/images/0/07/EGOV_meeting_24_August_2012_Social_Media_in_Government.pdf
15:41:46 [PhilA]: Now on slide 3
15:43:26 [PhilA]: Now slide 5
15:43:42 [PhilA]: Again, slides are informative and capture much of what Soon Ae Chun is saying
15:43:43 [DeirdreLee]: SoonAeChun: moving from traditional government to social media-based digital government (gov 2.0)
15:47:00 [PhilA]: I think we're on slide 8 now
15:48:26 [PhilA]: Slide 9
15:50:23 [PhilA]: Slide 10
15:52:25 [PhilA]: I heard "standard vocabularies" and my W3C light came on ;-)
15:55:06 [PhilA]: Slide 11
15:57:18 [PhilA]: Slide 12, related to the work of P. Sobkowicz, M. Kaschesky and G. Bouchard
15:57:54 [PhilA]: zakim, who is making noise?
15:57:58 [olyerickson]: Can other people please mute?
15:58:05 [Zakim]: PhilA, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P19 (17%), Soon_Ae_Chun (42%)
15:58:18 [PhilA]: zakim, mute ??P19
15:58:18 [Zakim]: ??P19 should now be muted
15:58:54 [Jeanne_]: Phil--you'll have to show me how to do that...
16:00:38 [DeirdreLee]: Slide 13
16:02:05 [olyerickson]: There is precedence for the type of research discussed in Kavanaugh, but from the financial domain. e.g. correlation btween s.m. activity and market trends
16:02:52 [PhilA]: Slide 14 looks at the work of G. Lee and Y. Kwak
16:02:53 [Jeanne_]: Interesting olyerickson
16:04:04 [PhilA]: This is reminiscent of Tim Davies' 5 srats of open data engagement http://www.timdavies.org.uk/2012/01/21/5-stars-of-open-data-engagement/
16:04:13 [PhilA]: s/srats/stars/
16:05:23 [olyerickson]: Are these metrics (stars) any different for ANY public engagement?
16:05:42 [DeirdreLee]: Slide 15
16:07:29 [olyerickson]: Overarching question: for all of these papers, do they focus on their immediate countries/regions, the whole" world or a specific interesting country (e.g. USA, UK, EU countries, etc)
16:09:33 [PhilA]: Slide 16, paper by K. Andersen, R. Medaglia and H. Kenriksen
16:12:12 [PhilA]: That's the "Doctor, I have diagnosed myself as having disease X, please give me drug Y (I know I'm right, I saw it on Facebook)"
16:12:27 [DeirdreLee]: q?
16:12:47 [PhilA]: zakim, unmute ??P19
16:12:47 [Zakim]: ??P19 should no longer be muted
16:13:47 [Zakim]: -Soon_Ae_Chun
16:14:25 [DeirdreLee]: Topic: Deploying Social Media Services Across Government,
16:14:36 [DeirdreLee]: Rachel Flagg,
16:14:43 [DeirdreLee]: General Services Administration, USA
16:14:57 [PhilA]: Key links from Rachel: http://www.howto.gov/web-content/resources/tools/terms-of-service-agreements and http://www.usa.gov/Contact/verify-social-media.shtml
16:15:32 [DeirdreLee]: ack
16:16:10 [sandro]: "Federal Compatible" Terms of Service --- team of lawyers at GSA which works with vendors
16:16:33 [PhilA]: zakim, mute ??P19
16:16:33 [Zakim]: ??P19 should now be muted
16:16:38 [sandro]: eg jurisdiction and indemnification
16:17:27 [DeirdreLee]: Rachel_Flagg: terms of service programme
16:18:25 [DeirdreLee]: ... helping federal agencies and vendors agree on model agreement on how to use social media tools in an appropriate manner for government
16:18:42 [dickg]: Archives included in TOS ?
16:18:51 [DeirdreLee]: ... allows agencies to communicate using social media tools in a legally sound manner
16:19:28 [DeirdreLee]: ... registery where all agencies register their official federal social media accounts
16:19:46 [DeirdreLee]: ... citizens can then check if social media accounts are genuine or impersonation
16:20:05 [DeirdreLee]: GSA provides the registry and tools for agencies to use
16:20:23 [DeirdreLee]: ... helps for verification of authentic accounts
16:20:39 [BobbiMartin]: The State of TN was one of the first States to create a Social Media policy because our former Governor had a false facebook.
16:21:02 [DeirdreLee]: q?
16:21:34 [PhilA]: q+
16:22:11 [DeirdreLee]: Jeanne_: Has GSA's work in creating a 'safe legal space' changed agencies' adoption of social media?
16:23:01 [DeirdreLee]: Rachel_Flagg: Setting up these centralised programmes validates that these social media tools are good/useful and can be operated in a safe, legal manner
16:23:48 [DeirdreLee]: ... there is now also support offered for specific agencies criteria
16:24:14 [DeirdreLee]: ... there has also been a culture shift, that social media such as Twitter, has become so prevalant in our lives
16:24:18 [PhilA]: ack me
16:24:41 [PhilA]: zakim, who is making noise?
16:24:47 [olyerickson]: Wow!
16:25:02 [sandro]: zakim, mute bobby_martin
16:25:02 [Zakim]: Bobby_Martin should now be muted
16:25:08 [Zakim]: PhilA, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: dickg (5%), PhilA (50%), Sandro.a (19%)
16:25:10 [Zakim]: - +1.914.262.aaff
16:25:12 [olyerickson]: Tsk, tsk...
16:25:41 [DeirdreLee]: PhilA: Was there much resistance?
16:25:48 [dickg]: zakim, mute dickg
16:25:48 [Zakim]: dickg should now be muted
16:25:55 [DeirdreLee]: ... how did GSA go about collecting all the social media channels
16:26:27 [BobbiMartin]: I had to an incoming call, that might have caused my issue. Sorry.
16:28:00 [DeirdreLee]: Rachel_Flagg: participates in group that meets up regularly and issues of social media and verification were discussed regularly
16:28:29 [DeirdreLee]: ... so there was not much resistance
16:28:39 [Jeanne_]: Next W3C eGov Interest Group meetings are 3 September 1600-1730 CST (Hong Kong) and 21 September 0800-0930 PST (Los Angeles)
16:29:03 [olyerickson]: +1 to thanks to our speakers, scribe and our leaders!
16:29:06 [PhilA]: Next meetings 3 Sept (Eurasian) and 21 Sept (Atlantic)
16:29:27 [dickg]: +1
16:29:53 [PhilA]: rrsagent, make logs public
16:30:35 [Zakim]: -olyerickson
16:30:39 [Zakim]: -EthanMcmahon
16:30:40 [Zakim]: - +1.818.434.aaee
16:30:40 [Zakim]: -Rachel_Flagg
16:30:41 [Zakim]: -PhilA
16:30:41 [Zakim]: -DeirdreLee
16:30:41 [Zakim]: -Sandro.a
16:30:42 [Zakim]: -Bobby_Martin
16:30:43 [Jeanne_]: Thanks everyone!
16:30:46 [Lukasz]: Thanks
16:30:50 [Zakim]: -dickg
16:30:51 [Zakim]: -??P19
16:30:51 [Zakim]: T&S_EGOV(Atlantic)11:00AM has ended
16:30:52 [Zakim]: Attendees were +1.508.333.aaaa, sandro, +3539149aabb, +1.202.566.aacc, +1.509.464.aadd, +1.818.434.aaee, +1.914.262.aaff, +1.973.325.aagg, +1.615.253.aahh, PhilA, olyerickson,
16:30:52 [Zakim]: ... dickg, DeirdreLee, EthanMcmahon, Rachel_Flagg, Soon_Ae_Chun, Bobby_Martin
16:31:34 [PhilA]: rrsagent, generate minutes
16:31:34 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/24-egov-minutes.html PhilA
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