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15:01:51 <PhilA> zakim, code?
15:01:51 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA, I don't know what conference this is
15:01:56 <PhilA> zakim, this is egov
15:01:56 <Zakim> ok, PhilA; that matches T&S_EGOV(Atlantic)11:00AM
15:02:01 <PhilA> zakim, code?
15:02:01 <Zakim> the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA
15:02:10 <EthanMcmahon> EthanMcmahon has joined #egov
15:02:25 <Zakim> + +1.973.325.aagg
15:02:39 <olyerickson> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.508.333.aaaa, sandro, +3539149aabb, ??P15, +1.202.566.aacc, +1.509.464.aadd, +1.818.434.aaee, ??P19, +1.914.262.aaff, +1.973.325.aagg
15:02:44 <Zakim> + +1.615.253.aahh
15:02:51 <Jeanne_> Jeanne is 1.818.434
15:03:07 <Zakim> +??P25
15:03:10 <PhilA> zakim, ??P25 is me
15:03:10 <Zakim> +PhilA; got it
15:03:15 <dickg> Zakim, dickg is aaaa
15:03:15 <Zakim> sorry, dickg, I do not recognize a party named 'dickg'
15:03:16 <olyerickson> Zakim, I am ??p15.
15:03:17 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it
15:03:34 <olyerickson> zakim, mute me.
15:03:34 <Zakim> olyerickson should now be muted
15:03:45 <olyerickson> zakim, unmute me.
15:03:45 <Zakim> olyerickson should no longer be muted
15:03:49 <dickg> Zakim, aaaa is dickg
15:03:49 <Zakim> +dickg; got it
15:04:02 <DeirdreLee> Zakim, I am ??+3539149aabb
15:04:02 <Zakim> sorry, DeirdreLee, I do not see a party named '??+3539149aabb'
15:04:02 <olyerickson> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see dickg, sandro, +3539149aabb, olyerickson, +1.202.566.aacc, +1.509.464.aadd, +1.818.434.aaee, ??P19, +1.914.262.aaff, +1.973.325.aagg, +1.615.253.aahh, PhilA
15:04:07 <PhilA> zakim, aaaa is dickg
15:04:07 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
15:04:11 <DeirdreLee> Zakim, I am +3539149aabb
15:04:11 <Zakim> +DeirdreLee; got it
15:04:29 <PhilA> zakim, +1.508.333.aaaa is dickg
15:04:29 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA, I do not recognize a party named '+1.508.333.aaaa'
15:05:07 <PhilA> zakim, aaaa is dickg
15:05:07 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
15:05:11 <Jeanne_> 615.253 is Bobby Martin from State of Tennessee
15:05:37 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
15:05:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see dickg, sandro, DeirdreLee, olyerickson, +1.202.566.aacc, +1.509.464.aadd, +1.818.434.aaee, ??P19, +1.914.262.aaff, +1.973.325.aagg, +1.615.253.aahh, PhilA
15:05:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see EthanMcmahon, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, olyerickson, dickg, Jeanne_, DeirdreLee, MacTed, bhyland, edsu, trackbot, sandro
15:06:01 <Jeanne_> 3539149aabb is DeirdreLee
15:06:37 <BobbiMartin> BobbiMartin has joined #egov
15:07:17 <Jeanne_> +1.818.434 is me
15:07:28 <carlos> carlos has joined #egov
15:07:37 <Jeanne_> 202.566 is EthanMcmahon
15:07:45 <PhilA> zakim, aacc is EthanMcmahon
15:07:45 <Zakim> +EthanMcmahon; got it
15:07:52 <Jeanne_> +1.509.464 is Rachel Flagg
15:08:07 <PhilA> zakim, aadd is Rachel Flagg
15:08:07 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aadd is Rachel Flagg', PhilA
15:08:12 <Jeanne_> 914.262 Zach Tunis
15:08:17 <PhilA> zakim, aadd is Rachel_Flagg
15:08:17 <Zakim> +Rachel_Flagg; got it
15:08:28 <Jeanne_> 973.327 is Soon Ae Chun
15:08:32 <olyerickson> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:08:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see dickg, sandro, DeirdreLee, olyerickson, EthanMcmahon, Rachel_Flagg, +1.818.434.aaee, ??P19, +1.914.262.aaff, +1.973.325.aagg, +1.615.253.aahh, PhilA
15:08:37 <PhilA> zakim, aagg is Soon_Ae_Chun
15:08:37 <Zakim> +Soon_Ae_Chun; got it
15:08:58 <EthanMcmahon> EthanMcmahon has joined #egov
15:09:12 <PhilA> zakim, aahh is Bobby_Martin
15:09:12 <Zakim> +Bobby_Martin; got it
15:09:17 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
15:09:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see dickg, sandro, DeirdreLee, olyerickson, EthanMcmahon, Rachel_Flagg, +1.818.434.aaee, ??P19, +1.914.262.aaff, Soon_Ae_Chun, Bobby_Martin, PhilA
15:09:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see EthanMcmahon, carlos, BobbiMartin, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, olyerickson, dickg, Jeanne_, DeirdreLee, MacTed, bhyland, edsu, trackbot, sandro
15:10:49 <PhilA> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2012Aug/0034.html
15:10:58 <PhilA> chair: Jeanne_
15:11:27 <PhilA> meeting: eGov IG Atlantic Call, 24 August 2012
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15:13:14 <DeirdreLee> Scribe: DeirdreLee
15:14:28 <DeirdreLee> Jeanne introduces speakers
15:14:58 <DeirdreLee> Carlos Iván Chesñevar, National University of the South, Argentina  is first speaker
15:15:03 <Jeanne_> arlos Ivan Chesnevar--DECIDE 2.0:  Intelligent Processing of Citizen Opinions in Social Media (slides can be downloaded at http://cs.uns.edu.ar/~cic/w3c-decide20.zip)
15:15:21 <PhilA> Slides available at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/images/9/93/EGOV_Meeting_24_August_2012_DECIDE2.0.pdf
15:16:10 <DeirdreLee> benefits of gov 2.0 tools - new ways of communicating with citizens & new opportunities
15:16:28 <Jeanne_> Slides for all presentations today are at the eGov wiki:  http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Main_Page
15:16:38 <PhilA> Speaker is Carlos Iván Chesñevar (cic@cs.uns.edu.ar) http://cs.uns.edu.ar/~cic
15:16:38 <PhilA> CONICET / Laboratory of Research and Development in Artificial Intelligence
15:16:38 <PhilA> Department of Computer Science and Engineering Universidad Nacional del Sur Bahía Blanca, Argentina
15:17:34 <DeirdreLee> carlos: describes challenges of gov 2.0
15:18:01 <DeirdreLee> ...introduces Decide 2.0 project
15:18:08 <Zakim> +Sandro.a
15:18:14 <Zakim> -sandro
15:21:08 <PhilA> For the minutes - Carlos' slides contain the bulk of the detail being presented in readily accessible form
15:21:43 <Jeanne_> Challenge is that citizens post comments and suggestions, but it is hard for government officials to be aware of what these opinions and counter-opinions are
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15:23:04 <Jeanne_> The framework is on slide 8 and shows how the information is gathered from Facebook, Twitter, and Windowslive to create a citizens' opinion database that creates a contextually understandable argument of pros and cons for government officials to consider
15:24:50 <DeirdreLee> decide 2.0 Framework utilises tweet sentiment tools
15:25:28 <PhilA> Looking for idea of how accurate the pos/neg/neutral classification is claimed to be, esp. for Twitter
15:26:29 <DeirdreLee> All Tweets that have a common context and sentiment are aggregated to form an argument
15:27:19 <PhilA> Presence of given hashtag seems to be requirement
15:28:30 <PhilA> I don't think my tweet from 27 July would be picked up https://twitter.com/philarcher1/status/228963650344460288
15:28:38 <olyerickson> Current slide: 15
15:29:37 <PhilA> Now on slide 17
15:31:44 <PhilA> q+
15:32:21 <DeirdreLee> ack PhilA
15:34:22 <DeirdreLee> PhilA: Marketing companies claim about 70% accuracy with sentiment analysis, Phil can claim up to 96%, not necessarily needing specific hashtags
15:34:22 <Jeanne_> PhilA: Looking at accuracy of gathering tweets that refer to Greece without using the #Greece tag.  Do decision makers care how accurate the content is or are they looking for a general view of pros and cons?
15:35:44 <DeirdreLee> main goal was to define opinion trees and counter-arguments
15:36:01 <Jeanne_> All--if you have a question, just enter +q to be recognized.
15:36:13 <DeirdreLee> carlos: not necessarily sentiment analysis
15:37:07 <PhilA> My claim (on behalf of i-sieve Techniologies) of high accuracy in classification of pos/neg and neutral doesn't apply to Twitter where context is absent, only things like blog posts and comments on them
15:37:28 <DeirdreLee> Jeanne_: where is the challenges in relation to close the loop with decision-makers
15:38:17 <PhilA> Paraphrasing Jeanne_ "Do government officials actually take any notice?"
15:38:20 <DeirdreLee> ... once the user comments are organised, is there still challenges in getting decision-makers to respond to the feedback
15:39:57 <PhilA> A paper was presented at PMOD about South American use of eGov and transparency, see http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_18.pdf and http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/agenda
15:39:58 <DeirdreLee> carlos: no definite answer to what is the best method in feeding this back to decision-makers, but it can be used to identify critical issues
15:40:13 <BobbiMartin> Great presentation!
15:40:34 <PhilA> Topic: Social Media in Government
15:40:35 <PhilA> Soon Ae Chun, Ph.D
15:40:35 <PhilA> City University of New York
15:40:35 <PhilA> College of Staten Island
15:41:40 <PhilA> Slides are at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/images/0/07/EGOV_meeting_24_August_2012_Social_Media_in_Government.pdf
15:41:46 <PhilA> Now on slide 3
15:43:26 <PhilA> Now slide 5
15:43:42 <PhilA> Again, slides are informative and capture much of what Soon Ae Chun is saying
15:43:43 <DeirdreLee> SoonAeChun: moving from traditional government to social media-based digital government (gov 2.0) 
15:47:00 <PhilA> I think we're on slide 8 now
15:48:26 <PhilA> Slide 9
15:50:23 <PhilA> Slide 10
15:52:25 <PhilA> I heard "standard vocabularies" and my W3C light came on ;-)
15:55:06 <PhilA> Slide 11
15:57:18 <PhilA> Slide 12, related to the work of P. Sobkowicz, M. Kaschesky and G. Bouchard
15:57:54 <PhilA> zakim, who is making noise?
15:57:58 <olyerickson> Can other people please mute? 
15:58:05 <Zakim> PhilA, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P19 (17%), Soon_Ae_Chun (42%)
15:58:18 <PhilA> zakim, mute ??P19
15:58:18 <Zakim> ??P19 should now be muted
15:58:54 <Jeanne_> Phil--you'll have to show me how to do that...
16:00:38 <DeirdreLee> Slide 13
16:02:05 <olyerickson> There is precedence for the type of research discussed in Kavanaugh, but from the financial domain. e.g. correlation btween s.m. activity and market trends 
16:02:52 <PhilA> Slide 14 looks at the work of G. Lee and Y. Kwak
16:02:53 <Jeanne_> Interesting olyerickson
16:04:04 <PhilA> This is reminiscent of Tim Davies' 5 srats of open data engagement http://www.timdavies.org.uk/2012/01/21/5-stars-of-open-data-engagement/
16:04:13 <PhilA> s/srats/stars/
16:05:23 <olyerickson> Are these metrics (stars) any different for ANY public engagement? 
16:05:42 <DeirdreLee> Slide 15
16:07:29 <olyerickson> Overarching question: for all of these papers, do they focus on their immediate countries/regions, the whole" world or a specific interesting country (e.g. USA, UK, EU countries, etc)
16:09:33 <PhilA> Slide 16, paper by K. Andersen, R. Medaglia and H. Kenriksen
16:12:12 <PhilA> That's the "Doctor, I have diagnosed myself as having disease X, please give me drug Y (I know I'm right, I saw it on Facebook)"
16:12:27 <DeirdreLee> q?
16:12:47 <PhilA> zakim, unmute ??P19
16:12:47 <Zakim> ??P19 should no longer be muted
16:13:47 <Zakim> -Soon_Ae_Chun
16:14:25 <DeirdreLee> Topic:  Deploying Social Media Services Across Government, 
16:14:36 <DeirdreLee> Rachel Flagg,
16:14:43 <DeirdreLee> General Services Administration, USA
16:14:57 <PhilA> Key links from Rachel: http://www.howto.gov/web-content/resources/tools/terms-of-service-agreements and http://www.usa.gov/Contact/verify-social-media.shtml
16:15:32 <DeirdreLee> ack
16:16:10 <sandro> "Federal Compatible" Terms of Service --- team of lawyers at GSA which works with vendors
16:16:33 <PhilA> zakim, mute ??P19
16:16:33 <Zakim> ??P19 should now be muted
16:16:38 <sandro> eg jurisdiction and indemnification
16:17:27 <DeirdreLee> Rachel_Flagg: terms of service programme  
16:18:25 <DeirdreLee> ... helping federal agencies and vendors agree on model agreement on how to use social media tools in an appropriate manner for government
16:18:42 <dickg> Archives included in TOS ?
16:18:51 <DeirdreLee> ... allows agencies to communicate using social media tools in a legally sound manner
16:19:28 <DeirdreLee> ... registery where all agencies register their official federal social media accounts
16:19:46 <DeirdreLee> ... citizens can then check if social media accounts are genuine or impersonation
16:20:05 <DeirdreLee> GSA provides the registry and tools for agencies to use
16:20:23 <DeirdreLee> ... helps for verification of authentic accounts
16:20:39 <BobbiMartin> The State of TN was one of the first States to create a Social Media policy because our former Governor had a false facebook. 
16:21:02 <DeirdreLee> q?
16:21:34 <PhilA> q+
16:22:11 <DeirdreLee> Jeanne_: Has GSA's work in creating a 'safe legal space' changed agencies' adoption of social media?
16:23:01 <DeirdreLee> Rachel_Flagg: Setting up these centralised programmes validates that these social media tools are good/useful and can be operated in a safe, legal manner
16:23:48 <DeirdreLee> ... there is now also support offered for specific agencies criteria
16:24:14 <DeirdreLee> ... there has also been a culture shift, that social media such as Twitter, has become so prevalant in our lives
16:24:18 <PhilA> ack me
16:24:41 <PhilA> zakim, who is making noise?
16:24:47 <olyerickson> Wow!
16:25:02 <sandro> zakim, mute bobby_martin
16:25:02 <Zakim> Bobby_Martin should now be muted
16:25:08 <Zakim> PhilA, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: dickg (5%), PhilA (50%), Sandro.a (19%)
16:25:10 <Zakim> - +1.914.262.aaff
16:25:12 <olyerickson> Tsk, tsk...
16:25:41 <DeirdreLee> PhilA: Was there much resistance?
16:25:48 <dickg> zakim, mute dickg
16:25:48 <Zakim> dickg should now be muted
16:25:55 <DeirdreLee> ... how did GSA go about collecting all the social media channels
16:26:27 <BobbiMartin> I had to an incoming call, that might have caused my issue. Sorry.
16:28:00 <DeirdreLee> Rachel_Flagg: participates in group that meets up regularly and issues of social media and verification were discussed regularly
16:28:29 <DeirdreLee> ... so there was not much resistance
16:28:39 <Jeanne_> Next W3C eGov Interest Group meetings are 3 September 1600-1730 CST (Hong Kong) and 21 September 0800-0930 PST (Los Angeles)
16:29:03 <olyerickson> +1 to thanks to our speakers, scribe and our leaders!
16:29:06 <PhilA> Next meetings 3 Sept (Eurasian) and 21 Sept (Atlantic)
16:29:27 <dickg> +1
16:29:53 <PhilA> rrsagent, make logs public
16:30:35 <Zakim> -olyerickson
16:30:39 <Zakim> -EthanMcmahon
16:30:40 <Zakim> - +1.818.434.aaee
16:30:40 <Zakim> -Rachel_Flagg
16:30:41 <Zakim> -PhilA
16:30:41 <Zakim> -DeirdreLee
16:30:41 <Zakim> -Sandro.a
16:30:42 <Zakim> -Bobby_Martin
16:30:43 <Jeanne_> Thanks everyone!
16:30:46 <Lukasz> Thanks
16:30:50 <Zakim> -dickg
16:30:51 <Zakim> -??P19
16:30:51 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV(Atlantic)11:00AM has ended
16:30:52 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.508.333.aaaa, sandro, +3539149aabb, +1.202.566.aacc, +1.509.464.aadd, +1.818.434.aaee, +1.914.262.aaff, +1.973.325.aagg, +1.615.253.aahh, PhilA, olyerickson,
16:30:52 <Zakim> ... dickg, DeirdreLee, EthanMcmahon, Rachel_Flagg, Soon_Ae_Chun, Bobby_Martin
16:31:34 <PhilA> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:31:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/24-egov-minutes.html PhilA
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