14:03:13 RRSAgent has joined #mlw-lt 14:03:13 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-mlw-lt-irc 14:03:15 RRSAgent, make logs world 14:03:15 Zakim has joined #mlw-lt 14:03:17 Zakim, this will be 14:03:17 I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot 14:03:18 Meeting: MultilingualWeb-LT Working Group Teleconference 14:03:18 Date: 23 August 2012 14:03:46 Meeting: MLW-lT Phone call 23rd August 2012 14.00 UTC 14:03:50 Des has joined #mlw-lt 14:04:14 tadej has joined #mlw-lt 14:04:59 chair: daveL 14:05:06 scribe: dF 14:05:08 fsasaki has joined #mlw-lt 14:06:09 who is present? 14:06:34 Regrets 14:06:42 Yves, Dominic, Arle 14:07:12 regrets: Yves, Dominic, Arle 14:07:17 meeting: MLW-LT 14:07:19 chair: dave 14:07:25 Agenda:http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Aug/0236.html 14:07:26 scribe: dF 14:07:46 Present: daveL, dF, fsasaki, Declan, leroy, omstefanov, tadej, Milan, philr, Des 14:07:59 previous minutes; 14:08:02 http://www.w3.org/2012/08/09-mlw-lt-minutes.html 14:08:10 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 14:08:11 Agenda approved 14:08:32 daveL: are there comments on previous minutes? 14:08:37 no comments 14:08:47 topic: agenda review 14:09:30 daveL: Felix, what abou the interaction with the HTML5 WG? 14:09:59 fsasaki: I gave background last time, are you asking what are the next steps? 14:10:37 daveL: I guess our categories should be digestible for HTML5 WG 14:11:01 fsasaki: each category will need an HTML5 example 14:11:56 .. I have a long standing AI to make the draft more HTML5 friendly, I am not sure how to procede, addind HTML5 examples is obvious 14:12:14 .. I posted today a quality example with javascript 14:12:55 .. it demonstrates ITS interoperability with a browser 14:14:15 philr: This scenario seems to resonate with us. We should be able to make a lightweight implementation 14:14:32 fsasaki: It would be good to have it open source 14:14:43 philr: Let me consider it.. 14:15:06 fsasaki: We need uptake from the HTML community 14:15:38 daveL: This is also interesting for the CMS-L10n platform 14:16:14 .. Felix, do you think it is selling category by category or persuade them that ITS is generally a good idea 14:17:02 Felix: We need to specify lists 14:18:05 .. What I would push internally in W3C, have examples, but do not have HTML5 WG redo every category 14:18:48 Action: Felix to folow up with W3C management on the approach 14:18:48 Created ACTION-199 - Folow up with W3C management on the approach [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-08-30]. 14:18:49 http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values#HTML5_link_type_extensions 14:19:29 daveL; wouldn't be the microdata registration approach useful? 14:19:56 fsasaki: should not be difficult 14:20:06 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#datacategories-defaults-etc 14:21:04 Action: Felix to create a new column for HTML5 in the above table 14:21:04 Created ACTION-200 - Create a new column for HTML5 in the above table [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-08-30]. 14:22:21 Topic: Issue 42 - inheritance of agents info related to confidence type of data across categories 14:23:05 fsasaki: I did not get to this action item, recalling what was discussed two weeks ago 14:23:20 .. the overlap might not be as big 14:24:15 tadej: In my mail I exposed that mtConfidence and text analytics confidence have different targets 14:24:51 .. selector for a consolidated data cetagory? 14:25:06 scribe: fsasaki 14:25:35 david: I said: either the info goes to provenance, or it goes to categories 14:25:44 .. the real issue arle + felix have seen: 14:25:50 .. sometimes the information is in conflict 14:25:59 .. you cannot deal with it with standard inheritance 14:26:05 .. for mtconfidence, that is not an issue 14:26:09 .. it is about content 14:26:14 .. agree with what tadej said: 14:26:22 .. the target of text analytices confidence 14:26:27 .. and mtconfidence are different 14:26:38 ta confidence is metadata about metadata 14:26:44 .. mtconfidence is metadata about data 14:27:02 .. hence there is no inheriteance conflict with mtconfidence 14:27:18 .. I concluded for mtconfidence that I would wait for felix to propose general inheritance formulation 14:27:22 .. as part of issue-42 14:27:34 .. issue-42 has also other parts. that is conflicting information 14:27:43 .. mtconfidence doesn't has dependence on that 14:28:42 fsasaki: yves separated a general confidence 14:29:02 .. no more inheritance issue with quality 14:29:39 scribe: dF 14:30:12 .daveL: global and local for mtConfidence 14:31:19 daveL: it might be good to stick with a specific translation agent, not introduce an mt Confidence agent. 14:32:14 Action: daveL to produce a strawman how to deal with mtConfidence using the general translation agent 14:32:14 Created ACTION-201 - Produce a strawman how to deal with mtConfidence using the general translation agent [on David Lewis - due 2012-08-30]. 14:32:45 Joerg: what is the import, proces or data? 14:32:48 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 14:33:42 present+ jörg 14:33:43 daveL: we need to tie the info to the producing software as agent 14:33:48 Joerg: I got you 14:34:15 Topic: Publication of Draft 14:34:30 fsasaki: should be done by next call 14:34:31 Topic: Data Category Specifications 14:34:45 Topic: data category specifications 14:35:29 present+ michael 14:35:32 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki 14:36:34 micha has joined #mlw-lt 14:36:37 joerg has joined #mlw-lt 14:37:17 daveL: Micha, do you wnat to give update on splitting the special requirement into three? 14:37:41 Micha: not sure about the purpose 14:39:03 Micha: display size, storage size, and forbidden characters 14:39:44 Action: Micha to follow up on display size data category 14:39:44 Sorry, couldn't find user - Micha 14:41:01 Action: Micha to follow up on storage size data category 14:41:02 Sorry, couldn't find user - Micha 14:42:06 dF: Would give chance to Pedro and/or Arle to pick up the forbidden character data category 14:43:06 fsasaki: I suggest to drop forbidden character if the solution is not found by the end of the next week 14:44:30 Action: Micha: To post to the list that owner is needed for the forbidden character otherwise it will be dropped 14:44:30 Sorry, couldn't find user - Micha 14:47:36 Micha: is it characters or bytes 14:47:39 ..? 14:48:03 Topic: Publication 14:48:08 again 14:48:37 Update change log. Update table with overview of data categories. Change html5 examples (are borken, e.g. empty "span" element). Check editor notes for new data categories. Add placeholder for mtconfidence. add "html5 column" to sec. 6.1 14:48:42 fsasaki: I need some time to agree on it, so that it can go out next week 14:48:48 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html 14:49:36 fsasaki: we will need placehoder for mtConfidence 14:49:56 .. we already have some other placeholders 14:50:22 .. I propose to publish by Thursday 14:50:34 daveL: what about quality? 14:50:38 http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/LocQuality#Localization_Quality_Precis 14:50:48 fsasaki: part of quality already there 14:51:03 .. with warning that it is in flux 14:51:41 daveL: are we happy to publish on that basis? Objections? 14:51:48 tadej: sounds good 14:51:56 fsasaki: Thanks 14:51:58 action: felix to publish next draft by next thursday, with the edits described above 14:51:58 Created ACTION-202 - Publish next draft by next thursday, with the edits described above [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-08-30]. 14:52:12 Topic: data categories 14:52:27 scribe: daveL 14:52:56 dF: mtconfidence need some minor editorial, but also dependencie to issue 42 14:53:15 .. on inheritence info which felix is looking at 14:53:33 .. and strawman on translationAgent from DaveL 14:53:45 .. so won't be mature till these issues are closed 14:53:59 What about naming conventions: Localization Quality Precis (mixed en-US + fr-FR) vs. Localization Quality Precise (en-US)? 14:54:36 daveL: now named entity, Tadej, do you wnat to comment? 14:55:08 Tadej: RDF people do no see the need to specify disambiguation source 14:55:26 .. but we need to include it, trying to look for a compromise 14:56:11 tadej: maybe realxing requirements for a pointer, inlcude options for local identifiers, or RDF URIs 14:56:22 .. this should be a good way to reconcile 14:56:43 .. this should be ready by tomorrow 14:56:51 fsasaki_ has joined #mlw-lt 14:57:01 daveL: translation agent and translation revision agent 14:57:32 .. should be done in a day or two 14:57:42 daveL: Provenance 14:57:52 .. I need to add pointer 14:58:32 .. still need to look at the provenance WG work, but this will need to go into non-normative 14:59:00 .. Provenance WG are making final call in September, they contacted us 14:59:28 .. provenance URL, we shoudl probaly require URI 14:59:54 .. I will write to them to that effect 15:00:01 Tpic: Test suite 15:00:12 Topic: Test suite 15:00:13 see test suite discussion at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-tests/ 15:00:39 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki_ 15:01:02 tahnks, felix 15:01:48 daveL: any suggestions to the test suite development? Formats? 15:02:32 Declan: more formally 15:03:00 daveL: there is a technical discussion on the list 15:03:12 .. we need to keep up with the spec 15:03:51 we need help with use case development, not always the sample files conversion is sufficiently comprehensive 15:05:36 daveL: meeting adjourned 15:05:37 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:05:37 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-mlw-lt-minutes.html daveL 15:06:37 rrsagent, make logs public 15:41:23 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki_ 16:07:34 Zakim has left #mlw-lt