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13:58:24 <sandro> trackbot, start meeting
13:58:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
13:58:27 <bhyland> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120823
13:58:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD
13:58:29 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
13:58:29 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
13:58:29 <trackbot> Date: 23 August 2012
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13:58:58 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.440.389.aaaa
13:59:02 <gatemezi> Meeting: Focus on Best Practices
13:59:08 <gatemezi> Chair:Bernadette
13:59:10 <Zakim> T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has now started
13:59:11 <Zakim> +??P3
13:59:16 <gatemezi> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120823
13:59:21 <Zakim> +bhyland
13:59:22 <gatemezi> Scribe:Ghislain
13:59:23 <Zakim> -bhyland
13:59:23 <Zakim> +bhyland
13:59:33 <gatemezi> ScribeNick:gatemezi
13:59:55 <Zakim> +BenediktKaempgen
14:00:08 <Zakim> + +1.440.389.aaaa
14:00:09 <gatemezi> Zakim, who is here?
14:00:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P3, bhyland, BenediktKaempgen, +1.440.389.aaaa
14:00:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, olyerickson, Zakim, gatemezi, HadleyBeeman, MacTed, BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, cygri, trackbot, sandro
14:00:11 <DaveReynolds> DaveReynolds has joined #gld
14:00:14 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p3 is me
14:00:14 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
14:00:14 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, aaaa is me
14:00:17 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman; got it
14:00:31 <Zakim> +sandro
14:00:49 <Zakim> + +1.202.566.aabb
14:01:21 <Mike_Pendleton> Mike_Pendleton has joined #gld
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14:01:28 <Zakim> +George_Thomas
14:01:38 <George> George has joined #gld
14:01:45 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, who's here?
14:01:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, BenediktKaempgen, HadleyBeeman, sandro, +1.202.566.aabb, George_Thomas
14:01:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see George, BenediktKaempgen, Mike_Pendleton, DaveReynolds, RRSAgent, olyerickson, Zakim, gatemezi, HadleyBeeman, MacTed, BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, cygri, trackbot, sandro
14:02:17 <Zakim> +??P13
14:02:29 <olyerickson> zakim, ?p13 is me.
14:02:29 <Zakim> sorry, olyerickson, I do not recognize a party named '?p13'
14:02:42 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is talking
14:02:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', HadleyBeeman
14:02:42 <olyerickson> zakim, ??p13 is me.
14:02:43 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it
14:03:29 <Zakim> +cygri
14:04:39 <sandro> scribe: sandro
14:04:39 <Zakim> + +3539149aacc
14:04:43 <bhyland> @Ghislain are you able to hear the call?
14:04:58 <sandro> zakim, aacc is Fadi
14:04:58 <Zakim> +Fadi; got it
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14:05:21 <sandro> gatemezi, I'm scribing until you get here.
14:05:22 <fadmaa> Zakim, +353 is fadmaa
14:05:26 <Zakim> sorry, fadmaa, I do not recognize a party named '+353'
14:05:30 <bhyland> Approve last week's minutes: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-08-16
14:05:32 <fadmaa> Zakim, who is here?
14:05:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, BenediktKaempgen, HadleyBeeman, sandro, +1.202.566.aabb, George_Thomas, olyerickson, cygri, Fadi
14:05:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see fadmaa, George, BenediktKaempgen, Mike_Pendleton, DaveReynolds, RRSAgent, olyerickson, Zakim, gatemezi, HadleyBeeman, MacTed, BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, cygri, trackbot,
14:05:37 <Zakim> ... sandro
14:05:42 <gatemezi> @sandro : Thanks
14:05:44 <fadmaa> Zakim, Fadi is fadmaa
14:05:45 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it
14:06:05 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aadd
14:06:06 <sandro> bhyland: F2F at TPAC?    No.   
14:06:06 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me
14:06:12 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted
14:06:34 <sandro> bhyland: If you're attending TPAC ...
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14:06:51 <sandro> +1  I'm going to TPAC
14:06:52 <HadleyBeeman> I'm planning to attend TPAC
14:07:05 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 be at TPAC
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14:07:19 <Zakim> + +1.267.481.aaee
14:07:23 <sandro> bhyland: My hope is that we make some progress -- using it as a deadline, a chance for some people to talk, maybe a chance to present.
14:07:30 <sandro> scribe: gatemezi 
14:07:36 <Zakim> +[LC]
14:07:42 <tinagheen> Zakim, [LC] is me
14:07:42 <Zakim> +tinagheen; got it
14:07:47 <luisBermudez> aaee is me
14:07:50 <sandro> me
14:07:53 <cygri> me
14:07:55 <gatemezi> ..plans to go for the TPAC
14:08:42 <gatemezi> sandro is going also for the TPAC...Somebody from DERI? @cygri for sure
14:08:54 <bhyland> Attending: Sandro, Bernadette, (Dave Wood), Hadley (maybe), Richard C, 
14:09:27 <gatemezi> bhyland: Anyone form the Provenance Group going to TPAC? 
14:09:32 <bhyland> TPAC Schedule: http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/
14:09:48 <bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/#GroupSchedule
14:09:59 <olyerickson> Will there be a UnConference format again this year? If so, opportunity for GLD breakout...
14:10:36 <HadleyBeeman> my thought too, olyerickson
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14:11:28 <olyerickson> Q+
14:11:30 <gatemezi> bhyland: In TPAC has a lighthing session..should GLD stand up to speak this year ?
14:11:49 <bhyland> q?
14:11:54 <bhyland> ack olyerickson
14:11:59 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:12:06 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
14:12:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, BenediktKaempgen, HadleyBeeman, sandro, +1.202.566.aabb, George_Thomas, olyerickson, cygri, fadmaa (muted), +33.4.93.00.aadd,
14:12:10 <Zakim> ... +1.267.481.aaee, tinagheen, [IPcaller]
14:12:11 <Yigal> zakim, IPcaller is me.
14:12:11 <Zakim> +Yigal; got it
14:12:32 <bhyland> zakim aabb is Mike_Pendleton
14:12:47 <sandro> q?
14:12:56 <HadleyBeeman> q+
14:12:58 <gatemezi> olyerickson: He attended in one TPAC some days ago...There is a way to do a breakout for GLD group
14:13:08 <bhyland> Olyerickson: Suggested we consider a breakout on GLD WG @ TPAC, if there is an extension available.
14:13:11 <gatemezi> s/days/years
14:14:17 <sandro> sandro: It looks like it will be unconf again: http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2012
14:14:27 <gatemezi> HadleyBeeman: There is always a benefit to speak during the TPAC..
14:14:52 <olyerickson> @bhyland Note that PROV is pretty intense...
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14:15:40 <HadleyBeeman> q-
14:15:59 <sandro> sandro: We've given up on the idea of a 2-day meeting, but we could still do an unconference session on Wednesday (but as Hadley says, that would be lots of work to prepare)
14:16:18 <sandro> [ and yet, unconference sessions are not supposed to take much work....   ? ]
14:16:30 <bhyland> Review minutes: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-08-16
14:16:33 <gatemezi> Topic: Review of the last minutes
14:16:36 <HadleyBeeman> Actually, sandro, I don't think it would need to be lots of work.  I think we could organise a constructive dialogue with the rest of the community with what we have already.
14:16:38 <BenediktKaempgen> +1
14:16:39 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
14:16:45 <bhyland> Accepted
14:16:46 <sandro> +1
14:16:49 <gatemezi> +1
14:16:53 <Yigal> +1
14:16:59 <olyerickson> Not me!
14:17:36 <gatemezi> Topic: Linked Data Glossary update..see https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html
14:17:40 <olyerickson> Zakim, mute everyone mod(bhyland)
14:17:40 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mute everyone mod(bhyland)', olyerickson
14:17:50 <sandro> gatemezi, is that you?    +33.4.93.00.aadd
14:18:11 <sandro> zakim, aadd is gatemezi 
14:18:11 <Zakim> +gatemezi; got it
14:18:22 <gatemezi> Topic: Linked Data Glossary Update
14:18:31 <Zakim> +??P27
14:18:33 <gatemezi> URL of the actual version: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html
14:18:50 <DaveReynolds> zakim, mute me
14:18:50 <Zakim> DaveReynolds should now be muted
14:18:53 <Zakim> + +91.80.67.84.aaff
14:19:12 <gatemezi> bhyland: Is it better a Working Note or just a wiki page for LD glossary?
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14:19:37 <bhyland> zakim aaff is Biplav
14:19:48 <sandro> zakim, aaff is Biplav 
14:19:48 <Zakim> +Biplav; got it
14:20:51 <sandro> bhyland: Please email me any changes you want to the glossary
14:21:00 <gatemezi> bhyland: Could we have a look at the glossary and send mail to Ghislain or Bernadette for changing /adding items 
14:21:39 <gatemezi> ..we need to have some momentum as a group
14:21:55 <bhyland> q?
14:22:06 <olyerickson> Terms needed: Application, Mashup, Hackathon
14:22:12 <gatemezi> bhyland: Any question about that?
14:22:45 <gatemezi> Topic: Best Practices effort
14:22:57 <olyerickson> Need abbreviations more prominent: SOA, SKOS, URI, HTML, HTTP, 
14:23:19 <sandro> q+
14:23:32 <gatemezi> bhyland: What is the actual status? What people are working on? 
14:23:47 <bhyland> q?
14:25:12 <gatemezi> sandro: Suggest for transition for review...
14:26:10 <gatemezi> bhyland feels that there is a need of more discussion in some parts of the document
14:26:28 <bhyland> Question for the group: What barriers or hurdles are you facing that the GLD should address in the Best Practices doc?
14:26:34 <sandro> sandro: Let's have people start to note whether the right things are in this doc
14:26:59 <HadleyBeeman> q+
14:27:19 <sandro> Mike_Pendleton:  We're running into issues.   Even DB experts / enterprise architects have trouble understanding what LD is and how it will help.
14:27:32 <sandro> q-
14:27:44 <gatemezi> Mike_Pendleton: People want to know what LD is, or what is the benefit of it
14:28:02 <bhyland> Mike_Pendleton: Running into fundamental issues related to the basics around Linked Data in the eyes of an experienced enterprise IT manager
14:28:06 <sandro> Mike_Pendleton: We've got a FAQ for these people; it's not quite BPs but might be useful.
14:28:32 <bhyland> …. communicating the benefits so they could buy into it.
14:28:35 <tinagheen> @Mike_Pendleton - can you please share the document when it is out of draft, even if it is not included in Best Practices?
14:29:02 <Mike_Pendleton> Sure
14:29:09 <Mike_Pendleton> Happy to
14:29:20 <olyerickson> +1 to notion of Best Practices "FAQ"
14:30:15 <olyerickson> RE Words to include in Glossary: Note my previous suggestions (above)
14:31:25 <Biplav> q+
14:31:25 <gatemezi> @olyerickson: you mean SOA, SKOS, URI, HTML and HTTP? 
14:32:45 <bhyland> Hadley: Gov't data is generally lots of small data that only have meaning when stitched together.
14:33:16 <olyerickson> Yes, and above that (Application, Mashup, Hackathon, etc)
14:33:19 <gatemezi> s/Hadley/HadleyBeeman
14:33:27 <bhyland> … Use terms that people are familiar with, cross reference terms in Wikipedia, to emphasis is not necessary new & maveric, it is tested & proven.
14:35:52 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
14:35:52 <bhyland> q?
14:35:54 <BartvanLeeuwen> +q
14:35:56 <HadleyBeeman> q-
14:35:58 <gatemezi> bhyland: GLD could help in giving "meaning" aroud big data, huge data process, etc..
14:36:43 <bhyland> Biplav: Practical issue people face when considering LOD is tooling that is available ...
14:36:57 <bhyland> … If we can make some suggestions around tooling, that would go a long way.
14:37:50 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 for showcases
14:38:38 <Mike_Pendleton> +1 Bernadette - we need to say where LOD fits in the Big Data paradigm (hitch our wagon to it because it has cache)
14:38:38 <bhyland> … Community Directory is useful to let people interested in LD technology to locate it.
14:38:42 <DaveReynolds> +1 to bhyland not appropriate for the WG to recommend specific tool chains
14:38:46 <bhyland> … Tutorials would be helpful
14:39:38 <gatemezi> what abput just giving the links of the tutorials of the tools in ComDir?
14:39:48 <gatemezi> s/abput/about
14:40:10 <bhyland> … Example Biplav gave was transportation domain, how do we use technology to determine high level concepts for transportation … 
14:41:41 <gatemezi> bhyland: encourages @biplav to send a mail to clarify all the ideas he has in main for the transportation domain 
14:41:45 <bhyland> … Biplav: answered questions like 'what is a vehicle?, what is a route?'
14:41:57 <Mike_Pendleton> Jeff Hollister (US EPA) has attempted to quanitfy how LOD approaches will save money/time for his limnological (freshwater lakes) research efforts.  We need pithy annecdotes to support our assertions about the benefits of LOD.
14:43:10 <BartvanLeeuwen> -q
14:43:14 <bhyland> q?
14:43:19 <bhyland> ack Biplav
14:44:09 <DaveReynolds> q+
14:44:33 <DaveReynolds> ack me
14:45:35 <gatemezi> DaveReynolds: Is the BP doc ready for reviewing ?
14:45:39 <Biplav> Agree with @Ghislain that links to tutorials will be helpful. 
14:46:21 <bhyland> q?
14:48:41 <gatemezi> Pragmatic Provenance URL: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Best_Practices_Discussion_Summary#Pragmatic_Provenance
14:48:52 <bhyland> q?
14:49:16 <DaveReynolds> zakim, mute me
14:49:16 <Zakim> DaveReynolds should now be muted
14:49:50 <gatemezi> Topic: Schedule update ?
14:50:29 <bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter
14:51:08 <gatemezi> bhyland : The chairs will contact the different editors for re-scheduling our WG
14:51:17 <bhyland> q?
14:52:08 <bhyland> Open discussion around selling LOD internally ...
14:52:18 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
14:52:39 <bhyland> Internal bias to use the technology & approaches that are known 
14:52:59 <gatemezi> TinaGleen: It could be benefit to show clearly the benefits of LOD in enterprises..
14:53:05 <bhyland> Bart: He is seeing the same thing
14:54:18 <bhyland> … every uses the Web to find things but when they need *authoritative* data, they're biased towards a traditional monolithic system
14:55:24 <bhyland> TinaGheen: People are focused internally & their own content, rather than on linking to external data sets.
14:55:57 <bhyland> George: We're seeing some convergence, beginning to see convergence of global name space, value of key:value pairs, they start to get it.
14:56:32 <BartvanLeeuwen> +q
14:56:47 <gatemezi> Zakim, who's here?
14:56:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, BenediktKaempgen, HadleyBeeman, sandro, +1.202.566.aabb, George_Thomas, olyerickson, cygri, fadmaa (muted), gatemezi (muted),
14:56:51 <Zakim> ... +1.267.481.aaee, tinagheen, Yigal, DaveReynolds (muted), Biplav
14:56:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see Biplav, Yigal, tinagheen, luisBermudez, fadmaa, George, BenediktKaempgen, Mike_Pendleton, DaveReynolds, RRSAgent, olyerickson, Zakim, gatemezi, HadleyBeeman, MacTed,
14:56:52 <Zakim> ... BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, cygri, trackbot, sandro
14:57:06 <bhyland> … when you can show 'cooperation without coordination' it makes the case easier.
14:57:43 <bhyland> Bart: It is tough to encapsulate that in a BP doc.
14:58:06 <gatemezi> s/Bart/BartvanLeeuwen
14:59:29 <Zakim> - +1.267.481.aaee
14:59:33 <olyerickson> q+
15:00:07 <bhyland> q?
15:00:15 <bhyland> ack olyerickson
15:00:28 <BartvanLeeuwen> q-
15:01:15 <bhyland> Olyerickson: There is something different in selling the Web 2.0 meme vs. Linked Data meme … there were a set of activities, a certain Web utilization model and Tim O'Reilly came up with a name & attributes for describing it.
15:01:17 <gatemezi> Maybe we need more collaborative work (or porjects ) around LOD involving academics and enterprises..
15:01:36 <bhyland> … this helped define the meme that entrepreneurs, VCs & developers understood.
15:02:10 <gatemezi> Zakim, who is here?
15:02:11 <bhyland> … This helped define "labels" or buckets to understand what people were doing.
15:02:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, BenediktKaempgen, HadleyBeeman, sandro, +1.202.566.aabb, George_Thomas, olyerickson, cygri, fadmaa (muted), gatemezi (muted), tinagheen,
15:02:21 <Zakim> ... Yigal, DaveReynolds (muted), Biplav
15:02:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see Biplav, Yigal, tinagheen, luisBermudez, fadmaa, George, BenediktKaempgen, Mike_Pendleton, DaveReynolds, RRSAgent, olyerickson, Zakim, gatemezi, HadleyBeeman, MacTed,
15:02:26 <Zakim> ... BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, cygri, trackbot, sandro
15:02:33 <bhyland> … In the case of Linked Data, there has been less organic pull, and thus less of organic rise of business models to propel the meme forward.
15:03:09 <bhyland> ack BartvanLeeuwen
15:03:25 <olyerickson> zakim, excuse yourself... ;) 
15:03:25 <Zakim> I'm glad that smiley is there, olyerickson
15:04:01 <olyerickson> +1 to skidaddling... (sp?) 
15:04:19 <olyerickson> Thanks bhyland
15:04:21 <HadleyBeeman> Thanks, bhyland!
15:04:35 <gatemezi> bhyland: encourage editors to continue working on different docs
15:04:36 <BartvanLeeuwen> thanks bhyland !
15:04:37 <bhyland> Thanks all!
15:04:38 <olyerickson> Bye!
15:04:38 <Biplav> Thanks bhyland!
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15:04:40 <DaveReynolds> bye
15:04:40 <Zakim> - +1.202.566.aabb
15:04:42 <Zakim> -tinagheen
15:04:43 <gatemezi> Thanks all!
15:04:43 <Zakim> -fadmaa
15:04:43 <Zakim> -George_Thomas
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15:04:44 <Zakim> -cygri
15:04:46 <BenediktKaempgen> Bye!
15:04:47 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds
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15:04:48 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
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15:04:51 <gatemezi> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
15:04:52 <Zakim> -sandro
15:04:55 <bhyland> @Sandro, are you publishing the minutes?
15:04:56 <Zakim> -olyerickson
15:04:59 <Zakim> -BenediktKaempgen
15:05:01 <Zakim> -Yigal
15:05:01 <gatemezi> RRSAgent, generate minutes
15:05:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-gld-minutes.html gatemezi
15:05:03 <Zakim> -bhyland
15:05:04 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen
15:05:15 <bhyland> Thanks Ghislain & Sandro for scribing, much appreciated!
15:05:20 <sandro> bhyland,  that should be gatemezi 's job, but I can if necessary.
15:05:41 <bhyland> sorry, I meant Ghislain … I didn't realize who was scribing at the end...
15:06:06 <gatemezi> @bhyland: I am generating the minutes..
15:06:18 <bhyland> thank you!
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15:55:02 <Zakim> This conference is in overtime; all ports must be freed
16:09:27 <Zakim> -gatemezi
16:14:27 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Biplav, in T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM
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16:14:29 <Zakim> Attendees were bhyland, BenediktKaempgen, +1.440.389.aaaa, BartvanLeeuwen, HadleyBeeman, sandro, +1.202.566.aabb, George_Thomas, olyerickson, cygri, +3539149aacc, fadmaa,
16:14:30 <Zakim> ... +33.4.93.00.aadd, +1.267.481.aaee, tinagheen, Yigal, gatemezi, DaveReynolds, +91.80.67.84.aaff, Biplav
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