14:56:09 RRSAgent has joined #webevents 14:56:09 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/08/21-webevents-irc 14:56:22 Zakim, this will be RWC_WebEvents 14:56:22 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, mbrubeck 14:56:46 Zakim, this will be RWC_WebEven 14:56:46 ok, ArtB; I see RWC_WebEven()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes 14:56:54 RRSAgent, make log public 14:57:18 Scribe: Art 14:57:22 ScribeNick: ArtB 14:57:44 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2012JulSep/0012.html 14:57:53 RWC_WebEven()11:00AM has now started 14:57:53 Date: 21 August 2012 14:57:56 Chair: Art 14:58:01 +??P11 14:58:03 Regrets: Rick_Byers 14:58:15 +scott_gonzalez 14:58:17 Zakim, ??P11 is Olli_Pettay 14:58:17 +Olli_Pettay; got it 14:58:26 zakim, who is here? 14:58:26 On the phone I see Olli_Pettay, scott_gonzalez 14:58:27 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, ArtB, smaug_, mbrubeck, scott_gonzalez, Lachy, timeless, shepazu, trackbot 14:58:37 +ArtB 14:58:45 Zakim, nick smaug_ is Olli_Pettay 14:58:45 ok, smaug_, I now associate you with Olli_Pettay 15:00:06 +mbrubeck 15:00:26 Cathy has joined #webevents 15:00:30 +Doug_Schepers 15:00:37 Present: Art_Barstow, Matt_Brubeck, Scott_González, Olli_Pettay, Cathy_Chan, Doug_Schepers 15:00:57 +??P9 15:01:00 zakim, ??P9 is me 15:01:00 +Cathy; got it 15:01:19 Zakim, who is here? 15:01:19 On the phone I see Olli_Pettay, scott_gonzalez, ArtB, mbrubeck, Doug_Schepers, Cathy 15:01:20 Topic: Tweak Agenda 15:01:22 On IRC I see Cathy, RRSAgent, Zakim, ArtB, smaug_, mbrubeck, scott_gonzalez, Lachy, timeless, shepazu, trackbot 15:01:42 AB: I posted a draft agenda on August 20 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2012JulSep/0012.html 15:01:48 AB: Given Ricks' regrets, I propose we drop item #4 "TouchEvent test results for Chrome". Any objections to that? 15:02:18 AB: if anyone has comments for Rick's data, please respond to the list 15:02:24 AB: Any change requests? 15:02:33 [ none ] 15:02:33 Topic: Announcements 15:02:38 AB: any short announcements for today? I don't have any. 15:02:52 Topic: TouchList.identifiedTouch method in Touch Events v1 15:02:59 AB: last week, Matt sent an email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2012JulSep/0007.html about the identifiedTouch method in TEv1 http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents/raw-file/v1/touchevents.html. 15:03:15 AB: the main issue here is the status of the implementation of the identifiedTouch method in the TEv1 Candidate. 15:03:27 AB: there may also be a sub-issue here about what we mean in the CR's so-called "exit criteria" where it says "... and two or more independent implementations must pass each test before the specification exits Candidate Recommendation". 15:03:58 AB: that is a common criteria and it means that each test must be correctly implemented by at least two implementations. It does Not mean that two or more implementations must pass Every test. There's a big difference. 15:04:34 AB: there were some followups 15:04:49 MB: that clarification on the exit criteria helps a lot 15:04:55 … that is, it may not be a problem 15:05:08 … especially since Rick indicated Chrome can implement this method 15:05:17 … As such, I think this well taken care of 15:05:29 AB: ok; that's good. Anyone else? 15:05:56 AB: is there a problem with RIM/BB impl? 15:06:13 MB: I was concerned about whether they were updating their impl 15:06:23 … but if we have another impl, that isn't a problem 15:06:51 AB: so, the conclusion then is that we expect at least two implementations of this method 15:06:55 … is that correct? 15:07:20 … We have Chrome potentially, and Gecko and Sangwhan indicated Opera would implement it 15:07:47 MB: yes, we're OK re at least two impls of this method 15:07:58 Topic: Remaining work needed to complete the v1 test suite 15:08:06 AB: last week Matt agreed to ACTION-96: "Make a list of remaining work needed to complete the v1 test suite"  http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/96 15:08:22 … how is that going Matt? 15:08:35 MB: I haven't completed that yet 15:08:46 … I will work on that action this week 15:09:11 AB: if anyone wants to help Matt with that action, please contact him 15:09:27 AB: anything else on v1 testing for today? 15:09:30 [ No ] 15:09:32 Topic: Microsoft's MSPointerEvents and TouchEvents v2 15:09:43 AB: last week Doug agreed to ACTION-95: "Talk to Microsoft about PointerEvents vis-a-vis TouchEvents v2; Doug Schepers" http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/95 15:11:28 AB: for references, see http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh673557.aspx and http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh441233.aspx as well as the excellent blog by Scott https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ukTwVTYH2_2pxSwdwaJ_UqRwa2wqWL9JLI-MANER8BQ/edit?pli=1 that enumerates some of the advantages of the PointerEvent. 15:13:56 DS: I had some confidential discussions with Microsoft 15:24:40 Topic: Pointer.js; e-mail by Boris Smus 15:24:52 AB: Boris Smus sent an e-mail to the list http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2012AprJun/0010.html about his Pointer.js work https://github.com/borismus/pointer.js. 15:25:00 AB: any comments about this work? 15:25:54 MB: this is a shim that wraps PointerEvents and TouchEvents 15:26:10 … I think Scott was talking about doing something similar in jQuery 15:26:20 … could make sense to work together 15:26:31 SG: yes, I can look into that 15:26:41 … appears to be more about native touch events 15:27:08 … would make sense to look at his implementation 15:28:16 DS: Boris mentions rallying around a single spec 15:28:30 … which makes a lot of sense 15:28:32 As Scott points out, it looks like pointer.js implements an API based on Pointer Events, by wrapping Touch Events and Mouse Events 15:28:49 AB: thanks for that clarification Matt 15:28:57 Topic: TEv2 Comment by Richard Creamer re pressure, hover, ... 15:29:05 AB: Richard Creamer submitted comments about TEv2 spec http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2012JulSep/0001.html 15:29:14 It dispatches its own "native" DOM events (unlike jQuery which would presumably provide normalized events only through its own library methods, and not directly on the DOM). 15:30:50 He's actually overriding HTMLElement.addEventListener() 15:30:51 https://github.com/borismus/pointer.js/blob/master/js/pointer.js#L210-232 15:30:53 MB: yes, these comments should be addressed for TEv1 plus work 15:31:22 Topic: AoB 15:31:28 AB: any other topics for today? 15:31:34 AB: next call ... 15:32:43 … a main task ahead is completing the test suite for the v1 spec 15:32:59 … and that probably doesn't require any meeting time 15:33:32 … So, the next call will be when we have something substantive to discuss 15:34:03 DS: agree we need to complete the test suite 15:34:27 … a meeting can help us maintain focus 15:35:01 MB: I'll try to keep the test suite moving forward 15:35:57 AB: I can reiterate I think we need the minimal test suite that can prove interoperability 15:36:01 DS: agree 15:36:35 AB: next call then when we have something to discuss 15:37:08 AB: anything else? 15:37:15 AB: meeting adjourned 15:37:19 -Cathy 15:37:21 -Doug_Schepers 15:37:21 -Olli_Pettay 15:37:22 RRSAgent, make minutes 15:37:22 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/21-webevents-minutes.html ArtB 15:37:24 -ArtB 15:37:26 -scott_gonzalez 15:37:35 -mbrubeck 15:37:36 RWC_WebEven()11:00AM has ended 15:37:36 Attendees were scott_gonzalez, Olli_Pettay, ArtB, mbrubeck, Doug_Schepers, Cathy 15:37:51 RRSAgent, make log Public 15:37:56 RRSAgent, make minutes 15:37:56 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/21-webevents-minutes.html ArtB 15:38:29 Meeting: Web Events WG Voice Conference 15:38:35 RRSAgent, make minutes 15:38:35 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/21-webevents-minutes.html ArtB 15:44:29 Lachy has joined #webevents 15:50:41 zakim, bye 15:50:41 Zakim has left #webevents 15:50:47 rrsagent, bye 15:50:47 I see no action items