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16:57:27 <janina> zakim, this will be 2119
16:57:27 <Zakim> ok, janina; I see WAI_PF(Text)1:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
16:58:54 <Zakim> WAI_PF(Text)1:00PM has now started
16:59:00 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
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17:00:04 <janina> agenda+ Agenda review; identify scribe.
17:00:05 <janina> agenda+ Issue 30, longdesc, any remaining edits on updated & clarified requirements?  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Aug/0112.html
17:00:07 <janina> agenda+ Issue 31b, buggy alts and buggy alt guidance, confirming links and evidence
17:00:10 <janina> agenda+ Issue 204, updates on responses & actions in light of Co-Chairs' decision http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Aug/0111.html
17:00:13 <janina> agenda+ Issue 206, metagenerator, pending WG actions
17:00:16 <janina> agenda+ Confirm next meeting; identify next scribe; adjourn
17:00:38 <Zakim> +??P1
17:04:39 <JF> zakim, who's here
17:04:39 <Zakim> JF, you need to end that query with '?'
17:04:40 <Zakim> +Judy
17:04:49 <JF> zakim, who's here?
17:04:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Foliot, ??P1, Judy
17:04:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see JF, Judy, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina
17:10:30 <janina> zakim, mute me
17:10:30 <Zakim> sorry, janina, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
17:10:41 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
17:10:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Foliot, ??P1, Judy
17:10:53 <janina> zakim, ??P1 is Janina
17:10:53 <Zakim> +Janina; got it
17:10:58 <janina> zakim, mute me
17:10:58 <Zakim> Janina should now be muted
17:11:04 <janina> scribe: janina
17:11:08 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
17:11:08 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda review; identify scribe." taken up [from janina]
17:11:28 <JF> http://john.foliot.ca/html5/w3c/longer_descriptions/
17:11:48 <janina> jf: A new test page following on discussion with Maciej
17:12:49 <janina> jf: Infographic uses headers effectively, I represented in <ol> for long descript
17:13:16 <janina> jf: Then I coded up three approaches for providing the long description
17:13:39 <janina> jf: first is a hidden block using aria-describedby
17:14:14 <janina> jf: used hidden div and aria-describedby but linking to a off-page uri
17:14:25 <janina> jf: third was longdesc -- the off page uri, of course
17:14:41 <janina> jf: then asked maciej to explain how he saw this working with Safari and Voice Over
17:15:18 <janina> zakim, unmute me
17:15:18 <Zakim> Janina should no longer be muted
17:18:15 <janina> zakim, mute me
17:18:15 <Zakim> Janina should now be muted
17:18:27 <janina> js Asking what's parsing the markup?
17:18:46 <janina> jf: Believe Safari, via the tight binding available on Mac ... 
17:18:58 <janina> jf: Effectively, they're unhiding to display the content on screen
17:19:42 <janina> jf: So question about non native Mac tools
17:21:35 <janina> jf: With exception of Apple, all other environments use browser plus at from different vendors, do not have this tight integrated relationship
17:23:31 <janina> zakim, unmute me
17:23:31 <Zakim> Janina should no longer be muted
17:28:51 <Zakim> +Laura_Carlson
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17:36:50 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
17:36:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Foliot, Janina, Judy, Laura_Carlson
17:36:54 <Judy> zakim, who's on the phone?
17:36:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Foliot, Janina, Judy, Laura_Carlson
17:37:12 <janina> Laura, areyou still there? We don't hear you on the phone?
17:37:19 <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
18:00:22 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
18:00:52 <Zakim> -Janina
18:00:53 <Zakim> -Judy
18:00:53 <Zakim> WAI_PF(Text)1:00PM has ended
18:00:53 <Zakim> Attendees were John_Foliot, Judy, Janina, Laura_Carlson
18:01:15 <Judy> Summary on 204: some exchange of UI design questions on list; concerns about the location of the discussion; formal objection under consideration in PFWG on the design assertion.
18:01:53 <Judy> Initial discussion on reflecting evidence in 30 CP.
19:17:44 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
19:17:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/21-text-minutes.html janina
19:18:02 <janina> rrsagent, make log public
19:18:07 <janina> zakim, bye
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19:18:15 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
19:18:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/21-text-minutes.html janina