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13:58:33 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TTML
13:58:33 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
13:58:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
13:58:34 <trackbot> Date: 16 August 2012
13:59:56 <sean> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
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14:00:57 <sean> Agenda+ Assign Scribe  Agenda+ Profile update [1]   Agenda+ review open issues 
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14:04:17 <mmartin3> scribe: mmartin3
14:05:16 <mmartin3> sean: review open issues
14:05:44 <mmartin3> sean: Profile Update
14:06:15 <sean> The Simple Online Delivery profile is focused on streamlined delivery of closed captions on the web.  This interoperability profile supports core TTML features to deliver legacy formats such as  	CEA-608 and -708 content, and is targeted primarily for delivery in US markets.  
14:06:16 <mmartin3> ACTION-80: 
14:06:16 <trackbot> ACTION-80 Create statement of use case and regional naming on SDP notes added
14:06:24 <mmartin3> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Aug/0016.html
14:07:10 <mmartin3> ACTION: Glen
14:07:10 <trackbot> Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
14:07:25 <mmartin3> Update SDP to reflect addition to close ACTION:80
14:08:34 <mmartin3> mike: Use term Internet rather than web.
14:09:20 <mmartin3> sean: Legacy formats, "deliver content originating from legacy formats."
14:09:56 <mmartin3> ACTION: Glenn
14:09:56 <trackbot> Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
14:10:14 <mmartin3> Close ACTION-80.
14:12:48 <mmartin3> ACTION: Glenn. Add 2 changes agreed. Use ACTION-80 text. Change "on the web" to "on the Internet." Change "legacy formats such as CEA-608 and -708 content" to "deliver content originating legacy formats such as CEA-608 and -708 content".
14:12:48 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Glenn.
14:13:45 <mmartin3> ISSUE-72
14:14:28 <sean> https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/72
14:15:46 <mmartin3> sean: Proposal may not make sense anymore.
14:15:59 <mmartin3> Review what makes sense for the 2nd edition.
14:16:43 <mmartin3> mike: Separate smooth scrolling.
14:17:02 <mmartin3> ScribeNicke: mmartin3
14:17:19 <mmartin3> ScribeNick: mmartin3
14:17:45 <mmartin3> mike: Dynamic flow
14:18:27 <mmartin3> sean: Not supported in TTML 1.0. We don't have scroll property any longer. Fixed mechanism exists - overflow.
14:18:52 <mmartin3> Missing text will overflow or be clipped by the box.
14:19:12 <mmartin3> Proposal suggests we re-add scroll property.
14:20:28 <mmartin3> mike: Need to address what happens when you have a <br>.
14:22:31 <mmartin3> sean: Some text will be clipped out. Allow animation using inline scroll (XSL-FO). To preclude lines missing from flow region.
14:23:10 <mmartin3> mike: In 2nd edition, we need to clarify feature and consider for TTML 1.1.
14:23:18 <mmartin3> sean: Clarifying paragraphs.
14:26:03 <mmartin3> ISSUE-138 Ruby support OPEN Standard extension to support W3C ruby markup
14:27:24 <mmartin3> sean: Renders may not be able to handle.  Add to TTML namespace for 1.1. One option is to model more closely how this is done in HTML5 and CSS3.
14:28:26 <mmartin3> mike: SMPTE has feature list for theatrical subtitle support. This makes this Issue-138 real.
14:28:33 <mmartin3> sean: Important for internationalization.
14:29:24 <mmartin3> pal: Liaison will allow for SMPTE input to this question.
14:29:33 <mmartin3> OPEN
14:29:49 <mmartin3> ISSUE-156?
14:29:49 <trackbot> ISSUE-156 -- semantics of missing #feature -- open
14:29:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/156
14:30:37 <mmartin3> mike: Bugs need to be addressed for 1.0 before we close this issue.
14:30:57 <mmartin3> sean: ACTION-53 and ACTION-54 closed. 
14:31:21 <mmartin3> sean: Mike can you re-forward some information?
14:31:49 <mmartin3> mike: Features overlapped. Other issues.
14:32:11 <mmartin3> sean: Work with Glenn.
14:32:35 <mmartin3> ISSUE-157?
14:32:35 <trackbot> ISSUE-157 -- transformation profile -- open
14:32:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/157
14:32:44 <mmartin3> ISSUE-158?
14:32:44 <trackbot> ISSUE-158 -- background images -- open
14:32:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/158
14:32:48 <mmartin3> Background images
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14:33:34 <mmartin3> mike: Liaison sent to W3C April 2011 to add. Resurrect and make a decision what to do with SMPTE work.
14:34:47 <mmartin3> Should we reference 2052-1?
14:36:20 <mmartin3> sean: ACTION to respond to SMPTE.
14:36:44 <mmartin3> ISSUE-159?
14:36:44 <trackbot> ISSUE-159 -- Text orientation in I18n script processing -- open
14:36:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/159
14:36:56 <mmartin3> sean: Missing some properties.
14:37:35 <mmartin3> In future, we may need to address this issue. Suggest add text orientation.
14:38:30 <mmartin3> ISSUE-162?
14:38:30 <trackbot> ISSUE-162 -- profile discrepancy -- open
14:38:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/162
14:38:44 <mmartin3> sean: Skip for today.
14:38:59 <mmartin3> ISSUE-163?
14:38:59 <trackbot> ISSUE-163 -- Clarify use of cell units in certain properties -- open
14:38:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/163
14:39:14 <mmartin3> sean: Use cell values where they do not make sense.
14:39:57 <mmartin3> sean: Issue for 2nd edition.
14:40:34 <mmartin3> Clarify semantics.
14:41:39 <mmartin3> ACTION: Sean create clarifying text for 2nd edition.
14:41:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-84 - Create clarifying text for 2nd edition. [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-08-23].
14:41:49 <mmartin3> ISSUE-167?
14:41:49 <trackbot> ISSUE-167 -- allowing attributes that have no semantics on specific elements -- open
14:41:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/167
14:43:20 <mmartin3> mike: Attributes that are not inheritable and have no semantics on the child elements, we should prohibit them. Driven by origin and extent.
14:45:18 <mmartin3> mike: TTML 1.1 issue.
14:46:03 <mmartin3> ISSUE-168?
14:46:03 <trackbot> ISSUE-168 -- Padding on tt:p and tt:span elements -- open
14:46:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/168
14:46:49 <mmartin3> sean: Have each line as separate paragraph and caption.
14:47:03 <mmartin3> OK without user overrides which FCC requires.
14:47:20 <mmartin3> Add style properties to do this more directly.
14:48:17 <mmartin3> mike: Padding function on the line.
14:49:09 <mmartin3> sean: Add to <p> and <span>.
14:49:52 <mmartin3> mike: What happens when you do an animation? Is this ambiguous.
14:50:18 <mmartin3> Will review further.
14:51:04 <mmartin3> ISSUE-169?
14:51:04 <trackbot> ISSUE-169 -- Unclear under what terms the XSD schema is to be available -- open
14:51:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/169
14:51:13 <mmartin3> sean: We have resolved.
14:51:22 <mmartin3> Close ISSUE-169
14:51:22 <trackbot> ISSUE-169 Unclear under what terms the XSD schema is to be available closed
14:51:58 <mmartin3> mike: Software
14:57:33 <mmartin3> mike: Resolution was software.
14:57:43 <mmartin3> close ISSUE-169
14:57:43 <trackbot> ISSUE-169 Unclear under what terms the XSD schema is to be available closed
15:05:26 <mmartin3> trackbot, end meeting
15:05:26 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:05:26 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:05:34 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:05:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/16-tt-minutes.html trackbot
15:05:35 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:05:35 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/16-tt-actions.rdf :
15:05:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Glen [1]
15:05:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/16-tt-irc#T14-07-10
15:05:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Glenn [2]
15:05:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/16-tt-irc#T14-09-56
15:05:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Glenn. Add 2 changes agreed. Use ACTION-80 text. Change "on the web" to "on the Internet." Change "legacy formats such as CEA-608 and -708 content" to "deliver content originating legacy formats such as CEA-608 and -708 content". [3]
15:05:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/16-tt-irc#T14-12-48
15:05:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sean create clarifying text for 2nd edition. [4]
15:05:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/16-tt-irc#T14-41-39
15:05:51 <mmartin3> Zakim, track attendees
15:05:51 <Zakim> I don't understand 'track attendees', mmartin3
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15:10:01 <glenn> rrsagent, publish minutes
15:10:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/16-tt-minutes.html glenn
15:11:54 <glenn> mmartin3: looks like that generated it ok
15:13:09 <glenn> ... but you may need to edit a bit, e.g., add attendee list
15:15:07 <mmartin3> ...i need to add some actions and close action-80. can i do that manually? thanks for the help. only learning irc today.
15:15:33 <mmartin3> present were pierre, mike dolan, sean, myself, thomas manes, you.
15:27:17 <mmartin3> +glenn
15:27:46 <glenn> shortly getting on a plane at LAX  heading for Manila
15:28:58 <glenn> mmartin3: you need to pull down the draft minutes, perhaps in text form from  http://www.w3.org/2012/08/16-tt-minutes.html,text then edit it and post the result to the public-tt ML
15:32:51 <mmartin3> I will do so. I have them and am printing so I can update and correct. Thanks.
15:32:58 <mmartin3> I appreciate your patience.
15:33:04 <mmartin3> Just learning some of the logic.
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