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13:10:43 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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13:10:45 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
13:10:45 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 50 minutes
13:10:46 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
13:10:46 <trackbot> Date: 15 August 2012
13:11:30 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0027.html
13:12:56 <fjh> Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:13:09 <fjh> Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:21:38 <Josh_Soref> Scribe: Josh_Soref 
13:21:45 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:21:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/15-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
13:22:01 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, make logs public
13:25:57 <fjh> t imderstamd. we javem
13:26:47 <fjh> s/O dpm//
13:27:00 <fjh> s/t imderstamd. we javem//
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13:58:16 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
13:58:23 <Zakim> +Josh_Soref
13:58:37 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
13:58:37 <Zakim> sorry, Josh_Soref, muting is not permitted when only one person is present
13:59:31 <Jungkee> Jungkee has joined #dap
13:59:42 <Zakim> + +1.858.651.aaaa
13:59:46 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
13:59:46 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should now be muted
13:59:48 <Jungkee> Present+ Jungkee_Song
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14:00:49 <Zakim> +??P22
14:00:52 <Cathy> Cathy has joined #dap
14:00:54 <fjh> zakim, ??P22 is me
14:00:54 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
14:01:00 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, aaaa is Jungkee_Song
14:01:00 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'aaaa is Jungkee_Song', Josh_Soref.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:01:08 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is on the call?
14:01:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josh_Soref (muted), +1.858.651.aaaa, fjh
14:01:13 <fjh> s/Chair: Robin_Berjon,/Chair: /
14:01:15 <Zakim> +??P24
14:01:20 <Zakim> + +1.781.266.aabb
14:01:26 <Cathy> zakim, aabb is me
14:01:26 <Zakim> +Cathy; got it
14:01:32 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, where is +1858?
14:01:33 <Jungkee> zakim, ??P24 is me
14:01:33 <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.858 is California
14:01:33 <Zakim> +Jungkee; got it
14:01:33 <gmandyam> Hello from Giri Mandyam, Qualcomm Innovation Center
14:01:34 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:01:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josh_Soref (muted), +1.858.651.aaaa, fjh, Jungkee, Cathy
14:01:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see Cathy, gmandyam, Jungkee, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, fjh, Josh_Soref, richt, hiroto_away, mounir, tobie, slightlyoff, trackbot, dom
14:01:50 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, aaaa is gmandyam 
14:01:50 <Zakim> +gmandyam; got it
14:01:55 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute Jungkee 
14:01:55 <Zakim> Jungkee should now be muted
14:02:02 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, whois making noise
14:02:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'whois making noise', Josh_Soref
14:02:08 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is making noise?
14:02:10 <fjh> Regrets+ Robin_Berjon, Dave_Raggett
14:02:18 <Zakim> Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: fjh (14%)
14:03:34 <fjh> Regrets+ Claes _Nilsson
14:05:56 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is making noise?
14:06:08 <Zakim> Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
14:06:27 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:06:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josh_Soref (muted), gmandyam, fjh, Jungkee (muted), Cathy
14:06:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see Cathy, gmandyam, Jungkee, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, fjh, Josh_Soref, richt, hiroto_away, mounir, tobie, slightlyoff, trackbot, dom
14:08:08 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Administrative
14:08:18 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:08:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/15-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
14:08:20 <fjh> "Ambient light events" FPWD published, http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-ambient-light-20120802/
14:08:29 <fjh> Discussion of moving tests to Github, comments to public-test-infra@w3.org, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0021.html
14:09:18 <fjh> concrete suggestion to use wg name and shortname, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0036.html
14:09:41 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Minutes approval
14:09:49 <fjh> Approve minutes from 25 July 2012
14:09:49 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/att-0019/minutes-2012-07-25.html
14:09:55 <Josh_Soref> proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 25 July 2012 are approved.
14:10:02 <Josh_Soref> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 25 July 2012 are approved.
14:10:06 <fjh> Approve minutes from 1 August 2012
14:10:06 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/att-0018/minutes-2012-08-01.html
14:10:15 <Josh_Soref> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 1 August 2012 are approved.
14:10:21 <Josh_Soref> Topic: HTML Media Capture Last Call
14:10:25 <fjh> Last Call Comments from "Protocols and Formats" WG, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0026.html
14:10:25 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-html-media-capture-20120712/
14:10:25 <fjh> Last Call review period ended 9 August 2012
14:10:57 <Josh_Soref> fjh: PF WG had a comment
14:11:06 <Josh_Soref> ... about what if the device isn't present
14:11:18 <Josh_Soref> ... we need to explicitly say fallback to file
14:11:21 <Josh_Soref> q+ to debate
14:11:31 <Josh_Soref> ... we also don't say about security for turn on the mic
14:11:40 <Josh_Soref> ... i think it's implicit, and easily addressed
14:11:54 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, ack me
14:11:54 <Zakim> unmuting Josh_Soref
14:11:55 <Zakim> Josh_Soref, you wanted to debate
14:11:55 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:12:38 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: it shouldn't just fallback to <file>
14:12:56 <Josh_Soref> ... it should allow the UA to decide to let the user select another thing
14:13:12 <Josh_Soref> ... such as providing a microphone input or a file
14:13:15 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i agree,
14:13:19 <Josh_Soref> ... but we need to put something in the doc
14:13:27 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: yes, we need something for the doc
14:14:04 <fjh> action: josh_soref to propose text for HTML Media Capture to allow for alternative capture device if specified device not available
14:14:04 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - josh_soref
14:14:24 <fjh> action: josh to propose text for HTML Media Capture to allow for alternative capture device if specified device not available
14:14:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-565 - Propose text for HTML Media Capture to allow for alternative capture device if specified device not available [on Josh Soref - due 2012-08-22].
14:14:38 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
14:14:38 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should now be muted
14:14:47 <fjh> action: fjh to propose security text for HTML Media Capture to address LC comment
14:14:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-566 - Propose security text for HTML Media Capture to address LC comment [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-08-22].
14:15:09 <fjh> Robin has action to enter LC comments into LC tracker 
14:15:14 <fjh> but I can do it if useful
14:15:45 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Networked Service Discovery and Messaging FPWD comments
14:15:56 <fjh> "Networked Service Discovery and Messaging" FPWD published, http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-discovery-api-20120807/
14:15:57 <fjh> General comments, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0016.html (Cathy)
14:15:57 <fjh> UPnP-specific comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0017.html (Cathy)
14:15:57 <fjh> Additional general comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0025.html (Eyal)
14:15:57 <fjh> Security & privacy considerations http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0015.html (Frederick, Robin)
14:16:08 <Josh_Soref> fjh: Cathy, thanks for your very detailed comments
14:16:12 <Josh_Soref> ... i think they're very useful
14:16:22 <Josh_Soref> Cathy: i got a message from richt that they're working on the feedback
14:16:37 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:16:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josh_Soref (muted), gmandyam, fjh, Jungkee (muted), Cathy
14:16:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see Cathy, gmandyam, Jungkee, Zakim, RRSAgent, darobin, fjh, Josh_Soref, richt, hiroto_away, mounir, tobie, slightlyoff, trackbot, dom
14:16:44 <Josh_Soref> ... i expect them to have a new version, this week or next week
14:17:20 <Josh_Soref> fjh: it would help if richt indicated which comments he's addressed
14:17:25 <Josh_Soref> ... so we know what's open/what's done
14:17:46 <Josh_Soref> Topic: WebIntents DAP Action Review
14:18:06 <fjh> ACTION-514?
14:18:06 <trackbot> ACTION-514 -- Robin Berjon to talk to the Web Schema group about using schema.org nouns for Intents -- due 2012-07-18 -- OPEN
14:18:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/514
14:18:35 <fjh> I think robin did this, but need to confirm
14:18:41 <fjh> ACTION-516?
14:18:41 <trackbot> ACTION-516 -- Josh Soref to propose Security Considerations section on SSL for Intents sepc -- due 2012-07-18 -- OPEN
14:18:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/516
14:18:56 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: i do, maybe i can do that today...
14:19:19 <fjh> ACTION-550?
14:19:19 <trackbot> ACTION-550 -- James Hawkins to add event for on load to webintents spec -- due 2012-07-17 -- OPEN
14:19:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/550
14:19:27 <fjh> not clear of status
14:19:34 <fjh> ACTION-551?
14:19:34 <trackbot> ACTION-551 -- James Hawkins to share proposal on list to handle dynamic insertion/removal etc of <intent> tags -- due 2012-07-17 -- OPEN
14:19:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/551
14:19:50 <fjh> ACTION-552?
14:19:50 <trackbot> ACTION-552 -- Robin Berjon to send some spec text for the way that extras work -- due 2012-07-17 -- OPEN
14:19:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/552
14:20:00 <Josh_Soref> fjh: there's been a discussion about work between DAP/Intents/HTML
14:20:10 <fjh> ACTION-555?
14:20:10 <trackbot> ACTION-555 -- Claes Nilsson to add mDNS adaption to the 'Web Intents Addendum - Local Services' specification for feature completion and before FPWD -- due 2012-08-15 -- OPEN
14:20:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/555
14:20:10 <Josh_Soref> ... dom, i think you're back from vacation
14:20:45 <fjh> new version available with these changes, update in progress
14:21:19 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0035.html
14:21:44 <fjh> ACTION-556?
14:21:44 <trackbot> ACTION-556 -- Robin Berjon to set up test repository with example, docs, manifest generation for Web Intents -- due 2012-07-18 -- OPEN
14:21:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/556
14:21:53 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:21:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/15-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
14:22:09 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:22:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/15-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
14:22:17 <fjh> Topic: Additional Action review
14:22:21 <fjh> ACTION-474?
14:22:21 <trackbot> ACTION-474 -- Adrian Bateman to make a proposal for Network Information API -- due 2012-10-15 -- OPEN
14:22:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/474
14:22:42 <fjh> ACTION-558?
14:22:42 <trackbot> ACTION-558 -- Robin Berjon to draft a proposal for stills capture for gUM -- due 2012-07-18 -- OPEN
14:22:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/558
14:22:55 <Josh_Soref> s|s/O dpm//||
14:22:58 <fjh> is this in a task force discussion?
14:23:09 <fjh> ACTION_561?
14:23:14 <fjh> ACTION-561?
14:23:14 <trackbot> ACTION-561 -- Richard Tibbett to produce a proposal draft for a StreamRecorder API -- due 2012-07-27 -- OPEN
14:23:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/561
14:23:28 <fjh> cannot discuss as those with actions not here
14:23:38 <Josh_Soref> i/Minutes approval/fjh: I just saw that github doesn't support subdirectories - so w3c-dap-thingname is the style we'll probably have/
14:23:49 <fjh> s|ACTION_561?||
14:23:54 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Other Business
14:23:59 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, unmute me
14:23:59 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should no longer be muted
14:25:46 <fjh> Apps World Europe, http://www.apps-world.net/europe/index.php
14:26:05 <fjh> 2-3 October, London
14:26:24 <fjh> josh_soref: announces this conference, does anyone have any more details about it?
14:26:32 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: that's listed on http://www.w3.org/participate/eventscal.html as a W3C endorsed conference
14:26:40 <Josh_Soref> fjh: plh is in a panel
14:27:43 <Josh_Soref> fjh: as usual, we will cancel calls if there's nothing to do
14:28:02 <Josh_Soref> ... thanks all
14:28:07 <Josh_Soref> ... see people next week, unless we don't
14:28:13 <Josh_Soref> ... please remember to register for tpac
14:28:51 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, unmute me
14:28:51 <Zakim> Josh_Soref was not muted, Josh_Soref
14:29:02 <fjh> Here is the link for TPAC http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/Overview.html
14:29:16 <fjh> F2F is 1-2 for DAP F2F
14:29:49 <Josh_Soref> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:29:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/15-dap-minutes.html Josh_Soref
14:29:53 <fjh> s/F2F is 1-2 for DAP F2F/DAP F2F is 1-2 November during TPAC, please remember to register, payment deadline, hotel and travel/
14:30:11 <Josh_Soref> fjh: please remember to register, and pay the fee to w3
14:30:18 <Josh_Soref> ... and before the deadline or prices go up
14:30:25 <Josh_Soref> ... and don't forget to book a hotel, and travel
14:30:34 <Josh_Soref> ... Wednesday is unconference
14:30:54 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: it was listed as unconference
14:31:01 <Josh_Soref> ... and they were soliciting potential topics
14:31:41 <Josh_Soref> fjh: thanks Josh_Soref for scribing
14:31:42 <Josh_Soref> [ Adjourned ]
14:31:46 <Josh_Soref> trackbot, end meeting
14:31:46 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:31:46 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Josh_Soref, +1.858.651.aaaa, fjh, +1.781.266.aabb, Cathy, Jungkee, gmandyam
14:31:49 <Zakim> -gmandyam
14:31:49 <Zakim> -Cathy
14:31:52 <Zakim> -fjh
14:31:54 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:31:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/15-dap-minutes.html trackbot
14:31:55 <Zakim> -Jungkee
14:31:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:31:55 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/15-dap-actions.rdf :
14:31:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: josh_soref to propose text for HTML Media Capture to allow for alternative capture device if specified device not available [1]
14:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/15-dap-irc#T14-14-04
14:31:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: josh to propose text for HTML Media Capture to allow for alternative capture device if specified device not available [2]
14:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/15-dap-irc#T14-14-24
14:31:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: fjh to propose security text for HTML Media Capture to address LC comment [3]
14:31:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/15-dap-irc#T14-14-47