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16:58:08 <Judy> chair: Judy
16:58:40 <Judy> agenda+ Agenda review; identify scribe.
16:58:40 <Judy> agenda+ Issue 30, longdesc, updated draft requirements: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Aug/0112.html
16:58:40 <Judy> agenda+ Issue 31b, buggy alts and buggy alt guidance, feedback
16:58:40 <Judy> agenda+ Issue 204, decision, discuss http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Aug/0111.html
16:58:40 <Judy> agenda+ Issue 206, metagenerator, update on discussion
16:58:42 <Judy> agenda+ Confirm next meeting; identify next scribe; adjourn
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17:05:48 <janina> trackbot, start meeting
17:06:14 <janina> zakim, this will be 2119
17:06:14 <Zakim> ok, janina; I see WAI_PF(Text)1:00PM scheduled to start 6 minutes ago
17:06:57 <janina> zakim, who's here?
17:06:57 <Zakim> WAI_PF(Text)1:00PM has not yet started, janina
17:06:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see laura, JF, RRSAgent, Zakim, Judy, janina
17:07:21 <janina> zkaim, this will be WAI_PF(Text)
17:27:11 <Judy> scribe: Judy
17:27:28 <Judy> zakim, take up agendum one
17:27:28 <Zakim> 'one' does not match any agenda item, Judy
17:27:32 <Judy> zakim, take up agendum 1
17:27:32 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda review; identify scribe." taken up [from Judy]
17:27:42 <Judy> zakim, close item 1
17:27:42 <Zakim> agendum 1, Agenda review; identify scribe., closed
17:27:43 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:27:43 <Zakim> 2. Issue 30, longdesc, updated draft requirements: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Aug/0112.html [from Judy]
17:27:49 <Judy> zakim, take up next
17:27:49 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Issue 30, longdesc, updated draft requirements: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Aug/0112.html" taken up [from Judy]
17:29:24 <Judy> All: General discussion of the misunderstandings about sighted-users' needs around 204 Aria Hidden, and about misunderstandings on assistive technology
17:30:20 <Judy> JF: preparing additional explanations of the points that did not appear well understood in the decision
17:30:56 <Judy> JS: multiple places where this would break established assistive technology interoperability
17:33:29 <Judy> JB: would another change proposal have been possible?
17:33:57 <Judy> JS: not at the time
17:34:45 <Judy> JF: will work more on his draft response
17:36:15 <Judy> JS: forcing a design issue only creates bad design
17:41:19 <Judy> JF: the decisions appear to be made on weight of objections, rather than a more fundamental understanding the access technology
17:42:16 <Judy> JS: elaborating the additional harm, such as how the other approach flattens a complex table
17:43:21 <Judy> JB: confirmed this evidence was presented
17:43:37 <Judy> s/confirmed/confirm/
17:44:05 <Judy> JS: yes, I linked it from my survey, and they appear not to have consider it anywhere in their decision
17:46:29 <Judy> JF: there were 3 specifics in my test page: (1) flattening of test page; (2) flattening of structure; and (3) no visual indication of tab focus for links.
17:46:31 <laura> http://john.foliot.ca/html5/w3c/hidden.html 
17:47:48 <laura> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/issue-204-objection-poll/results#xfigure
17:50:21 <Judy> s/there were 3 specifics/three different kinds of problems where shown/
18:18:49 <JF> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Verbose_desc_reqs#Requirements
18:28:18 <Judy> All: discussing the draft summary requirements for longdesc
18:31:52 <JF> Q+
18:41:29 <JF> ack JF
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18:58:56 <RRSAgent> I see no action items