IRC log of ua on 2012-08-09

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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
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ok, trackbot, I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM already started
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Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 09 August 2012
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-Greg_Lowney
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regrets+ jeanne
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Agenda+ 2.8 Toolbar configuration (Mark and Jaime) Action-747 (related
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to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2012AprJun/0123.html)
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+Greg_Lowney
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Agenda+ stylesheet definition
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2012AprJun/0083.html Action-729
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Agenda+ 1.9.2 remove example 4 related to Amaya. Development work has stopped on Amaya. Jim thinks example not useful.
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Agenda+ action jeanne to remove Action-505 from 2.11.3, remove Action-518 from 2.11.2, remove Action-699 and 644 from 2.11.7 (action has been closed)
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Agenda+ whats left to do
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Jan
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zakim, agenda?
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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
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1. 2.8 Toolbar configuration (Mark and Jaime) Action-747 (related [from JAllan]
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2. stylesheet definition [from JAllan]
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3. 1.9.2 remove example 4 related to Amaya. Development work has stopped on Amaya. Jim thinks example not useful. [from JAllan]
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4. action jeanne to remove Action-505 from 2.11.3, remove Action-518 from 2.11.2, remove Action-699 and 644 from 2.11.7 (action has been closed) [from JAllan]
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5. whats left to do [from JAllan]
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+??P12
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Latest editor's draft -
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2012/ED-IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20-20120802/
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+??P13
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+Kim_Patch
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zakim, ??P13 is really Jan
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+Jan; got it
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zakim, ??P12 is sharper
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+sharper; got it
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zakim, agenda?
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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
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1. 2.8 Toolbar configuration (Mark and Jaime) Action-747 (related [from JAllan]
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2. stylesheet definition [from JAllan]
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3. 1.9.2 remove example 4 related to Amaya. Development work has stopped on Amaya. Jim thinks example not useful. [from JAllan]
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4. action jeanne to remove Action-505 from 2.11.3, remove Action-518 from 2.11.2, remove Action-699 and 644 from 2.11.7 (action has been closed) [from JAllan]
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5. whats left to do [from JAllan]
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action jeanne to remove Action-505 from 2.11.3, remove Action-518 from 2.11.2, remove Action-699 and 644 from
17:11:27 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-751 - Remove Action-505 from 2.11.3, remove Action-518 from 2.11.2, remove Action-699 and 644 from [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2012-08-16].
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zakim, close item 4
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agendum 4, action jeanne to remove Action-505 from 2.11.3, remove Action-518 from 2.11.2, remove Action-699 and 644 from 2.11.7 (action has been closed), closed
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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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1. 2.8 Toolbar configuration (Mark and Jaime) Action-747 (related [from JAllan]
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2012AprJun/0083.html
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zakim, open item 2
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agendum 2. "stylesheet definition" taken up [from JAllan]
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action-729
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scribe: jallan
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Style Sheet: A mechanism for communicating *style property* settings for web content, in which the style property settings are separable from other content resources. This separation is what allows author style sheets to be toggled and user style sheets defined to apply to more than one resource. Style sheet *web content technologies* include Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) and Extensible...
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...Stylesheet Language (XSL).
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*User Style Sheet: Where the user specifies which style sheet(s) to use, resulting in *user styles*.
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*Author Style Sheet: Where the author specifies which style sheet(s) to use, resulting in *author styles*.
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1.7.1 Support User Style Sheets: If the user agent supports *author style sheets*, then *user style sheets* are also supported. (Level A)
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1.7.2 Scope of User Style Sheets: If *user style sheets* are supported, the user can specify that they are applied to any of the following: (Level A)
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(a) the current page, and
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(b) all pages on specified web sites, and
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(c) all pages.
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1.7.3 Author Style Sheet Toggle: The user can turn off any *author style sheet* for both of the following: (Level A)
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(a) the current page; and
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(b) all pages that reference the style sheet.
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1.7.4 Save Author Style Sheets: The user can save *author style sheets* to modify them for use as *user style sheets*. (Level AA)
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Style Properties:
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Properties whose values determine the presentation (e.g., font, color, size, location, padding, volume, synthesized speech prosody) of content elements as they are rendered (e.g. onscreen, via loudspeaker, via braille display) by user agents. Style properties can have several origins:
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*user agent default styles*: The default style property values applied in the absence of any author or user styles. Some *web content technologies* specify a default rendering; others do not.
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*author styles*: Style property values that are set by the author as part of the content (e.g., in-line styles, author style sheets).
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*user styles*: Style property values that are set by the user of a user agent (e.g., via user agent interface settings, user style sheets).
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gl: def of stylesheet looks ok
17:18:40 [Greg]
Style Sheet: A mechanism for communicating *style property* settings for web content, in which the style property settings are separable from other content resources. This separation is what allows author style sheets to be toggled or substituted, and user style sheets defined to apply to more than one resource. Style sheet *web content technologies* include Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) and...
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...Extensible Stylesheet Language (XSL).
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gl: wants user and author styleheet defs to be complete sentences
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*Author Style Sheet: Style sheets specified by the user, resulting in *author styles*.
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*User Style Sheet: Style sheets specified by the user, resulting in *user styles*.
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*Author Style Sheet: Style sheets specified by the author, resulting in *author styles*.
17:21:57 [Jan]
Style Sheet: A mechanism for communicating *style property* settings for web content, in which the style property settings are separable from other content resources. This separation is what allows author style sheets to be toggled or substituted, and user style sheets defined to apply to more than one resource. Style sheet *web content technologies* include Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) and...
17:21:59 [Jan]
...Extensible Stylesheet Language (XSL).
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*User Style Sheet: Style sheets specified by the user, resulting in *user styles*.
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*Author Style Sheet: Style sheets specified by the author, resulting in *author styles*.
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(Either complete sentences or noun phrases.)
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resolution: definition of stylesheet, User style sheet, and author style sheet to be added to glossary as written by Jan above
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Style Properties:
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Properties whose values determine the presentation (e.g., font, color, size, location, padding, volume, synthesized speech prosody) of content elements as they are rendered (e.g. onscreen, via loudspeaker, via braille display) by user agents. Style properties can have several origins:
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*user agent default styles*: The default style property values applied in the absence of any author or user styles. Some *web content technologies* specify a default rendering; others do not.
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*author styles*: Style property values that are set by the author as part of the content (e.g., in-line styles, author style sheets).
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*user styles*: Style property values that are set by the user of a user agent (e.g., via user agent interface settings, user style sheets).
17:26:08 [Jan]
*user styles*: Style property values that are set by the user (e.g., via user agent interface settings, user style sheets).
17:27:28 [kford]
zakim, agenda?
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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
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1. 2.8 Toolbar configuration (Mark and Jaime) Action-747 (related [from JAllan]
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2. stylesheet definition [from JAllan]
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3. 1.9.2 remove example 4 related to Amaya. Development work has stopped on Amaya. Jim thinks example not useful. [from JAllan]
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5. whats left to do [from JAllan]
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Style Properties:
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Properties whose values determine the presentation (e.g., font, color, size, location, padding, volume, synthesized speech prosody) of content elements as they are rendered (e.g. onscreen, via loudspeaker, via braille display) by user agents. Style properties can have several origins:
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*user agent default styles*: The default style property values applied in the absence of any author or user styles. Some *web content technologies* specify a default rendering; others do not.
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*author styles*: Style property values that are set by the author as part of the content (e.g., in-line styles, author style sheets).
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*user styles*: Style property values that are set by the user (e.g., via user agent interface settings, user style sheets).
17:27:43 [kford]
zakim, close item 2
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agendum 2, stylesheet definition, closed
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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1. 2.8 Toolbar configuration (Mark and Jaime) Action-747 (related [from JAllan]
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zakim, close item 1
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agendum 1, 2.8 Toolbar configuration (Mark and Jaime) Action-747 (related, closed
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. 1.9.2 remove example 4 related to Amaya. Development work has stopped on Amaya. Jim thinks example not useful. [from JAllan]
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resolution: jeanne will add the definition of Style Properties to the glossary (by Jallan above)
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discussion of versions of 1.7 in the document.
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gl: concern that 1.7.2, 3, 4 require author and user style sheets, regardless of status of 1.7.1
17:39:23 [Jan]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2012/ED-UAAG20-20120802/#gl-style-sheets-config
17:41:02 [KimPatch]
www.w3.org/TR/IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20/
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Group continues to look at document versions.
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\kford: Let's just update the text to what we want it to say now and give Jeanne an action to update.
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1.7.2 Apply User Stylesheets: If *user style sheets* are supported, then the user can enable or disable user stylesheets for: (Level A)
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(a) all pages on specified web sites, or
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(b) all pages.
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Action: JS Update 1.7.2 with the current text from JAN for 1.7.2
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Created ACTION-752 - Update 1.7.2 with the current text from JAN for 1.7.2 [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2012-08-16].
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JR: Jeanne...for action 752 see the text immediately above
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1.7.3 Author Style Sheets: If *author style sheets* are supported, then the user can disable the use of author stylesheets on the current page. (Level A)
17:49:16 [Greg]
I updated the action 752 to read "Update 1.7.2 and 1.7.3 with the current text from JAN for 1.7.2" and added the text.
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s/the text/the text of both/
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zakim, agenda?
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
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3. 1.9.2 remove example 4 related to Amaya. Development work has stopped on Amaya. Jim thinks example not useful. [from JAllan]
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5. whats left to do [from JAllan]
17:50:58 [Greg]
We decided that we don't need to add an If clause at the beginning of 1.7.4 because if the UA does not support style sheets there will be no referenced style sheets to save.
17:51:08 [JAllan]
zakim, close item 2
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agendum 2, stylesheet definition, closed
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. 1.9.2 remove example 4 related to Amaya. Development work has stopped on Amaya. Jim thinks example not useful. [from JAllan]
17:51:20 [kford]
zaki8m, agenda?
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zakim, agenda?
17:51:31 [Zakim]
I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
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3. 1.9.2 remove example 4 related to Amaya. Development work has stopped on Amaya. Jim thinks example not useful. [from JAllan]
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5. whats left to do [from JAllan]
17:51:47 [kford]
zakim, take up item 3
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agendum 3. "1.9.2 remove example 4 related to Amaya. Development work has stopped on Amaya. Jim thinks example not useful." taken up [from JAllan]
17:53:30 [Greg]
I note that the latest version of Amaya is from January, which is not that long ago.
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gl: is there another browser with an outline view
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zakim, close item 3
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agendum 3, 1.9.2 remove example 4 related to Amaya. Development work has stopped on Amaya. Jim thinks example not useful., closed
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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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5. whats left to do [from JAllan]
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zakim, take up item 5
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agendum 5. "whats left to do" taken up [from JAllan]
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resolution: leave amaya example in 1.9.2
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Action-733 definition of shortcut (kim)
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Action-500, 545, issue 87 Structural navigation
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ACTION-720: Ensure disabling images gets in 2.11 (Provide control of content that may reduce accessibility) (done?)
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ACTION-720 Ensure disabling images gets in 2.11 (Provide control of content that may reduce accessibility) notes added
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ACTION-743: Look at cleaning up glossary terms "serial access, sequential navigation" and linear navigation commands
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ACTION-743 Look at cleaning up glossary terms "serial access, sequential navigation" and linear navigation commands notes added
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Talking about shortcut
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2012AprJun/0080.html
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Topic: action 733 def of shortcut
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shortcut
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A command that’s tied to a particular UI control or application function, allowing the user to navigate to or activate the control or function without traversing any intervening controls. A shortcut is modality independent, meaning it is accessible by any input method (e.g. keyboard, mouse, speech, touch or gesture). Also see Modality Independence Principle.
18:02:17 [KimPatch]
Proposed editing changes for keyboard command to better fit with Shortcut definition
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keyboard command (keyboard binding, keyboard shortcut or accelerator keys)
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A key or set of keys that are tied to a particular UI control or application function, allowing the user to navigate to or activate the control or function without traversing any intervening controls (e.g. "ctrl"+"S" to save a document). It is sometimes useful to distinguish keyboard commands that are associated with controls that are rendered in the current context (e.g. "alt"+"D" to move...
18:02:22 [KimPatch]
...focus to the address bar) from those that may be able to activate program functionality that is not associated with any currently rendered controls (e.g. "F1" to open the Help system). Keyboard commands help users accelerate their selections. Also see Shortcut.
18:03:12 [JAllan]
gl: 2nd sentence is confusing.
18:04:44 [JAllan]
command=open file, shortcut would be control+o, or a speech shortcut or a gesture
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jr: are you saying if you have a shortcut that it must be modality independent
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kp: right
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discussion of modality independence
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kp: I was tasked to do this definition in terms of modality independence.
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jr: need a solid definition of shortcut that include MI
18:08:30 [Greg]
SC that use the term "shortcut" include:
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1.8.12 Webpage bookmarks [was 1.8.m]: The user can mark items in a webpage, then navigate back to marked items using shortcuts. The user can specify whether a navigation mark disappears after a session or is persistent across sessions. (Level AA?)
18:09:07 [Greg]
2.3.4 Present Direct Commands in User Interface (former 2.1.7): The user can have any direct commands (e.g. keyboard shortcuts) in the user agent user interface be presented with their associated user interface controls (e.g. "Ctrl+S" displayed on the "Save" menu item and toolbar button). (Level AA)
18:09:28 [Greg]
Oops, 2.3.4 is specifically keyboard shortcuts.
18:10:27 [Greg]
So 1.8.12 is the only SC that uses "shortcut" rather than "keyboard shortcut".
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(It's also used in IER.)
18:11:41 [JAllan]
gl: there are lots of 'shortcut' in IERs
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kp: suggests reviewing document for proper use of shortcut and keyboard shortcuts
18:13:25 [Greg]
The earlier discussion was about whether the second sentence of Kim's proposed definition of shortcut adds a requirement that all shortcuts to be modality independent, or merely suggests they be so, or acknowledges that they can be.
18:13:26 [KimPatch]
Action: Kim to go through document looking at instances of keyboard shortcut to make sure they are properly "keyboard shortcut", not "shortcut" (see shortcut definition)
18:13:26 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-753 - Go through document looking at instances of keyboard shortcut to make sure they are properly "keyboard shortcut", not "shortcut" (see shortcut definition) [on Kimberly Patch - due 2012-08-16].
18:14:59 [JAllan]
gl: will we then revisit the definition.
18:15:37 [JAllan]
gl: in html5 there is notion of 'command' - you can have a shortcut, or button or voice command to activate.
18:16:02 [JAllan]
kp: we are using the word shortcut to mean MI command.
18:16:36 [JAllan]
gl: so in 1.8.12 the user can use button, or keyboard command.
18:16:52 [Greg]
So it comes down to, should 1.8.12 in conjunction with the definition require the user be able to use both keyboard commands and toolbar buttons for navigation?
18:17:41 [JAllan]
kp: the method of activation be modality independent (MI), the UA needs to ensure that the control is accessible regardless of modality
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... you could use scroll bars, as long as speech user or keyboard user can use it.
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keyboard command (keyboard binding, keyboard shortcut or accelerator keys)
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A key or set of keys that are tied to a particular UI control or application function, allowing the user to navigate to or activate the control or function without traversing any intervening controls (e.g. "ctrl"+"S" to save a document). It is sometimes useful to distinguish keyboard commands that are associated with controls that are rendered in the current context (e.g. "alt"+"D" to move...
18:19:27 [JAllan]
...focus to the address bar) from those that may be able to activate program functionality that is not associated with any currently rendered controls (e.g. "F1" to open the Help system). Keyboard commands help users accelerate their selections. Also see Shortcut.
18:19:51 [KimPatch]
ORIGINAL
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keyboard command (keyboard binding,keyboard shortcuts or accelerator keys)
18:19:55 [KimPatch]
Commands tied to particular UI controls or application functions, allowing the user to navigate-to or activate them without traversing any intervening controls (e.g. "ctrl"+"S" to save a document). It is sometimes useful to distinguish keyboard commands that are associated with controls that are rendered in the current context (e.g. "alt"+"D" to move focus to the address bar) from those that...
18:19:56 [KimPatch]
...may be able to activate program functionality that is not associated with any currently rendered controls (e.g. "F1" to open the Help system). Keyboard commands help users accelerate their selections.
18:21:51 [JAllan]
kim modified so shortcut and keyboard command better align
18:24:11 [Greg]
Could add "This could be used with physical keyboard or keyboard emulator (e.g. on-screen keyboard or speech recognition)."
18:24:21 [JAllan]
gl: suggests adding a statement in keyboard command to cover shortcuts so the user doesn't have to parse 3 definitions
18:25:24 [KimPatch]
keyboard command (keyboard binding, keyboard shortcut or accelerator keys)
18:25:26 [KimPatch]
A key or set of keys that are tied to a particular UI control or application function, allowing the user to navigate to or activate the control or function without traversing any intervening controls (e.g. "ctrl"+"S" to save a document). It is sometimes useful to distinguish keyboard commands that are associated with controls that are rendered in the current context (e.g. "alt"+"D" to move...
18:25:27 [KimPatch]
...focus to the address bar) from those that may be able to activate program functionality that is not associated with any currently rendered controls (e.g. "F1" to open the Help system). Keyboard commands help users accelerate their selections. This could be used with physical keyboard or keyboard emulator (e.g. on-screen keyboard or speech recognition). Also see Shortcut.
18:25:58 [Greg]
I'd put the new sentence before the one about help users accelerate their selection...
18:26:29 [Greg]
and also change that sentence to avoid using the term selection which has a very narrow, technical meaning separate from activation and focus navigation.
18:28:11 [KimPatch]
keyboard command (keyboard binding, keyboard shortcut or accelerator keys)
18:28:13 [KimPatch]
A key or set of keys that are tied to a particular UI control or application function, allowing the user to navigate to or activate the control or function without traversing any intervening controls (e.g. "ctrl"+"S" to save a document). It is sometimes useful to distinguish keyboard commands that are associated with controls that are rendered in the current context (e.g. "alt"+"D" to move...
18:28:14 [KimPatch]
...focus to the address bar) from those that may be able to activate program functionality that is not associated with any currently rendered controls (e.g. "F1" to open the Help system). Keyboard commands can be triggered using a physical keyboard or keyboard emulator (e.g. on-screen keyboard or speech recognition). Also see Shortcut.
18:28:19 [Greg]
"Keyboard command can be triggered using a physical keyboard or keyboard emulator (e.g. on-screen keyboard or speech recognition)."
18:29:49 [JAllan]
resolution: jeanne to add the keyboard command definition from kimpatch above
18:30:15 [Greg]
Elsewhere we don't put Ctrl in quotation marks.
18:31:24 [Greg]
There are two places where "Ctrl" is in quotes, and three or so without.
18:31:56 [Zakim]
-[Microsoft]
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-Jan
18:31:58 [Zakim]
-Greg_Lowney
18:31:58 [Zakim]
-Kim_Patch
18:32:00 [Zakim]
-sharper
18:32:02 [Zakim]
-Jim_Allan
18:32:02 [Zakim]
WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended
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Attendees were [Microsoft], Greg_Lowney, Jim_Allan, Kim_Patch, Jan, sharper
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action: jeanne to add "keyboard command (keyboard binding, keyboard shortcut or accelerator keys)
18:33:19 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-754 - Add "keyboard command (keyboard binding, keyboard shortcut or accelerator keys) [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2012-08-16].
18:33:20 [JAllan]
A key or set of keys that are tied to a particular UI control or application function, allowing the user to navigate to or activate the control or function without traversing any intervening controls (e.g. CTRL+"S" to save a document). It is sometimes useful to distinguish keyboard commands that are associated with controls that are rendered in the current context (e.g. ALT+"D" to move...
18:33:22 [JAllan]
...focus to the address bar) from those that may be able to activate program functionality that is not associated with any currently rendered controls (e.g. "F1" to open the Help system). Keyboard commands can be triggered using a physical keyboard or keyboard emulator (e.g. on-screen keyboard or speech recognition). Also see Shortcut." to glossary
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/09-ua-minutes.html JAllan
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zakim, [Microsoft] is really Kelly
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sorry, JAllan, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsoft]'
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present+ Kelly
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/09-ua-minutes.html JAllan
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chair: kellyFord, JimAllan
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I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/09-ua-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: JS Update 1.7.2 with the current text from JAN for 1.7.2 [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/09-ua-irc#T17-46-01
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ACTION: Kim to go through document looking at instances of keyboard shortcut to make sure they are properly "keyboard shortcut", not "shortcut" (see shortcut definition) [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/09-ua-irc#T18-13-26
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ACTION: jeanne to add "keyboard command (keyboard binding, keyboard shortcut or accelerator keys) [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/09-ua-irc#T18-33-19