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16:01:47 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:01:47 <trackbot> Date: 09 August 2012
16:02:04 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:02:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Paul_Cotton, [Microsoft], Radhika_Roy, Sam
16:02:24 <Zakim> +hober
16:02:33 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
16:02:38 <eliot> zakim, Microsoft.a has me
16:02:38 <Zakim> +eliot; got it
16:02:58 <jaymunro> zakim, Microsoft has me
16:02:58 <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
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16:03:03 <eliot> zakim, Microsoft.a has erika
16:03:03 <Zakim> +erika; got it
16:03:06 <paulc> zakim, list attendees
16:03:06 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Paul_Cotton, Radhika_Roy, Sam, hober, eliot, jaymunro, erika
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16:03:12 <rubys> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JulSep/0018.html
16:03:17 <Zakim> + +1.425.941.aaaa
16:03:42 <krisk> zakim, 1.425.941.aaaa is krisk
16:03:42 <Zakim> sorry, krisk, I do not recognize a party named '1.425.941.aaaa'
16:03:46 <janina> zakim, ??P1 is Janina
16:03:46 <Zakim> +Janina; got it
16:03:50 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
16:03:50 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:03:52 <Zakim> + +1.303.661.aabb
16:03:52 <Zakim> +Mike
16:03:52 <krisk> zakim, +1.425.941.aaaa is krisk
16:03:53 <Zakim> +krisk; got it
16:04:01 <rubys> chair: paulc
16:04:04 <rubys> scribe: rubys
16:04:05 <Clarke> zakim, aabb is me
16:04:05 <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
16:04:42 <rubys> topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, August 9 None
16:04:46 <rubys> paulc: none
16:04:58 <Zakim> +Plh
16:04:59 <rubys> paulc: I have an action item due next week on the responsive images
16:05:09 <rubys> topic: New Issues This Week
16:05:23 <rubys> paulc: we have none (one tracker request still hasn't been dealt with)
16:05:31 <rubys> topic: Items Closed Last Week
16:05:35 <Zakim> -Mike
16:05:37 <rubys> issue-204?
16:05:37 <trackbot> ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open
16:05:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
16:05:52 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
16:05:52 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:05:53 <Zakim> +Mike
16:06:05 <rubys> paulc: survey closed aug 3rd; because this issue is on the critical path, the chairs have been prioritizing this item
16:06:10 <rubys> paulc: nothing to report as of yet
16:06:13 <rubys> issue-131?
16:06:13 <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
16:06:13 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
16:06:26 <rubys> paulc: extension closed aug 3rd
16:06:45 <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Aug/0074.html
16:06:53 <rubys> paulc: rich is travelling this week and next
16:07:04 <rubys> paulc: this issue is not on the critical path, so we will monitor the progress
16:07:22 <rubys> topic: Items Closing This Week
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16:07:35 <rubys> issue-206?
16:07:35 <trackbot> ISSUE-206 -- Should HTML5 have a meta generator exception to the alt requirement? -- open
16:07:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/206
16:08:03 <Zakim> + +1.613.287.aacc
16:08:04 <rubys> paulc: the call for consensus passed, but there has been considerable discussion and new proposals.
16:08:43 <rubys> mike: I think we have complete agreement to drop the meta generator exception, what we don't have agreement on is whether we need to replace that with some other mechanism
16:09:09 <rubys> mike: we have some momentum to adding a new attribute; the points of contention are the attribute name and what the validation should be
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16:09:45 <rubys> mike: the fundamental disagreement is over what the default should be on whether errors should be reported if this attribute is present
16:10:13 <rubys> mike: key people are laura/janina and henri; I've tried to make suggestions to see if we can find middle ground
16:10:25 <rubys> mike: I've got a few messages out, waiting for feedback from Henri
16:11:18 <rubys> mike: I want to put together another proposal which synthesizes the discussion; plan to get to this by next week
16:11:49 <rubys> paulc: is there a believe that a replacement is needed in HTML5, or can it be delayed to HTML.next
16:12:18 <rubys> mike: that has not been discussed, but I believe that there is some desire to have it sooner
16:12:49 <rubys> paulc: it might be possible to split this into two parts.. and would like to understand the timetime that such would create
16:13:28 <rubys> mike: this is not a problem that requires a long lead for implementation time, what we need is time to get to consensus
16:13:38 <rubys> paulc: the chairs perceive this discussion as positive
16:13:45 <rubys> mike: agreed
16:13:57 <rubys> topic: Items Closing Next Week 
16:14:02 <rubys> issue-30?
16:14:02 <trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- open
16:14:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
16:14:39 <rubys> paulc: the chairs requested that all updates be done by Aug 17; Judy has requested 3 weeks.
16:14:53 <paulc> Request: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Aug/0142.html
16:14:59 <rubys> paulc: the chairs are likely to respond to that request either late this week or early next week
16:15:10 <rubys> topic: New Calls this week
16:15:13 <rubys> paulc: none
16:15:20 <rubys> topic: New Surveys this week
16:15:22 <rubys> paulc: none
16:15:32 <rubys> topic: Decisions this week
16:15:37 <rubys> issue-189?
16:15:37 <trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- closed
16:15:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
16:15:42 <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Aug/0115.html
16:15:56 <rubys> paulc: there was a question on this decision from Julian, and Maciej responded
16:16:05 <rubys> paulc: we will monitor that thread
16:16:14 <rubys> topic: Task Force Reports
16:16:29 <rubys> Testing Task Force:
16:16:37 <rubys> krisk: we met on 7/31
16:16:38 <krisk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Aug/0001.html
16:17:04 <krisk> http://w3c-test.org/html/tests/approved/canvas/2d.text.draw.space.collapse.nonspace.html
16:17:08 <rubys> krisk: Zhang (from Intel) fixed a bug... much appreciated
16:17:55 <krisk> lots of discussion if VT (vertical tab) should be a space char
16:17:57 <krisk> http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/common-microsyntaxes.html#space-character
16:18:51 <rubys> krisk: either the test will change to match the spec, or we will request that the spec change
16:18:59 <rubys> paulc: when will a bug be filled?
16:19:04 <rubys> krisk: I will file a bug
16:19:10 <krisk> I'll open one 
16:19:13 <rubys> krisk: we will meet again next tuesday
16:19:51 <rubys> paulc: do you have a page with the number of submitted and approved tests?
16:19:56 <rubys> krisk: not yet, but I can create one
16:20:07 <rubys> topic: Accessibility Task Force
16:20:17 <rubys> janina: it is August and lots of people are on vacation
16:20:27 <rubys> issue-201?
16:20:27 <trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- open
16:20:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
16:20:52 <rubys> janina: steve was not clear if ted's response included the list of elements?
16:21:29 <paulc> Question from Steve is in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Aug/0062.html
16:21:37 <rubys> ted: I have been looking at it, and have been trying to come up with a list of restrictions
16:22:17 <rubys> ted: the restriction in the proposal is more than what we want, and I hope to have a response before end of day tomorrow
16:22:32 <rubys> janina: I will convey to others that you are working on this
16:22:53 <rubys> janina: lot of discussion regarding 206, which seems to be settling down
16:23:03 <rubys> paulc: anything else?
16:23:10 <rubys> topic: Media Task Force
16:23:43 <rubys> paulc: I chair these meetings, and they occur on tuesday.  We canceled last week due to vacations.
16:24:11 <rubys> paulc: the editors are busy applying changes; there will be a meeting next week.  Vacation continues to pose a problem.
16:24:28 <rubys> paulc: we are probably a month to two months away from having something to bring back to the working group
16:24:39 <rubys> topic: Other Business
16:24:50 <rubys> paulc: Editorial team for Canvas 2D Context
16:24:54 <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Aug/0060.html
16:25:28 <rubys> paulc: we announce the HTML5 editors about a week ago; we announced four Canvas 2D Context editors.
16:25:56 <rubys> paulc: the editors had a meeting on Tuesday this week (with two of the co-chairs), focusing on applying decisions and on post-LC2 bugs
16:26:06 <rubys> paulc: the chairs are pleased with the progress
16:26:12 <rubys> issue-131?
16:26:12 <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
16:26:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
16:26:27 <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Aug/0076.html
16:26:31 <rubys> paulc: this is the one where Rich asked for more time; the chairs are monitoring the situation
16:26:36 <rubys> issue-201?
16:26:36 <trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- open
16:26:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
16:26:51 <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Aug/0062.html
16:26:52 <rubys> paulc: we talked about this one; ted need to respond to message 62.
16:27:12 <rubys> paulc: any other business?
16:27:29 <rubys> paulc: (again noted the dependency between 204 and 30)
16:27:38 <rubys> topic: Chair and Scribe for next meeting
16:28:00 <rubys> paulc: I'm traveling next week; Maciej will chair
16:28:06 <rubys> paulc: any volunteers to scribe?
16:28:08 <paulc> zakim, list attendees
16:28:08 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Paul_Cotton, Radhika_Roy, Sam, hober, eliot, jaymunro, erika, Janina, +1.303.661.aabb, Mike, krisk, Clarke, Plh, +1.613.287.aacc
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16:28:30 <rubys> paulc: no volunteers to subscribe; maciej will need to deal with it
16:28:38 <rubys> topic: Adjournment
16:28:43 <Zakim> -Clarke
16:28:45 <Zakim> -krisk
16:28:47 <Zakim> -Mike
16:28:48 <rubys> rrsagent, publish minutes
16:28:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/09-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
16:28:49 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
16:28:49 <Zakim> -hober
16:28:50 <Zakim> -Janina
16:28:53 <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
16:28:54 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
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16:28:56 <paulc> Thanks, Mike
16:28:59 <Zakim> -Sam
16:29:05 <Zakim> -Plh
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