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13:27:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
13:27:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 33 minutes
13:27:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
13:27:25 <trackbot> Date: 01 August 2012
13:28:17 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Jul/0070.html
13:29:18 <fjh> Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:29:29 <fjh> Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:34:29 <fjh> s/Chair: Robin_Berjon,/Chair:/
13:35:01 <fjh> Present- Robin_Berjon
13:35:04 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
13:35:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/01-dap-minutes.html fjh
13:39:38 <darobin> in the meantime, patches can be made as pull requests against https://github.com/darobin/respec/
13:45:26 <darobin> s/darobin: in the meantime, patches can be made as pull requests against https:\/\/github.com\/darobin\/respec\///
13:46:14 <darobin> s|darobin: in the meantime, patches can be made as pull requests against https://github.com/darobin/respec/||
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13:49:42 <dtran> +Present Dzung_Tran
13:50:00 <Josh_Soref> s/+Present/Present+/
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13:56:50 <Zakim> UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
13:56:56 <Zakim> +??P14
13:57:01 <fjh> zakim, ??P14 is me
13:57:01 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
13:57:40 <Zakim> + +1.214.919.aaaa
13:57:59 <Milan_Patel> Present+ Milan_Patel
13:58:07 <fjh> zakim, where is 214?
13:58:07 <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.214 is Texas
13:58:29 <fjh> zakim, aaaa is milan_patel
13:58:30 <Zakim> +milan_patel; got it
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13:59:45 <Jungkee> Present+ Jungkee_Song
13:59:45 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, aabb is me
13:59:45 <Zakim> +Josh_Soref; got it
14:00:00 <Jungkee> Zakim, ??P16 is me
14:00:00 <Zakim> +Jungkee; got it
14:00:17 <fjh> Regrets+ Robin_Berjon
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14:00:36 <fjh> ScribeNick: Josh_Soref
14:00:43 <fjh> zakim, who is making noise?
14:00:48 <Josh_Soref> scribe: Josh_Soref 
14:00:48 <Jungkee> Zakim, mute me
14:00:48 <Zakim> Jungkee should now be muted
14:00:50 <Zakim> + +49.173.537.aacc
14:00:52 <Zakim> +Dsr
14:00:53 <Zakim> fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: fjh (19%)
14:00:57 <Jungkee> it was me making noise
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14:01:10 <dcheng3>  Present+ Diana_Cheng 
14:01:21 <dcheng3> zakim, aacc is dcheng3
14:01:21 <Zakim> +dcheng3; got it
14:01:42 <dsr> Present+ Dave_Raggett
14:02:07 <Zakim> + +1.425.214.aadd
14:02:17 <bryan> present+ Bryan_Sullivan
14:02:40 <bryan> zakim, aadd is bryan
14:02:40 <Zakim> +bryan; got it
14:02:51 <Zakim> +??P0
14:02:58 <Cathy> zakim, ??P0 is me
14:02:58 <Zakim> +Cathy; got it
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14:03:14 <bryan> hoops and more hoops
14:03:32 <fjh> s/hoops and more hoops//
14:03:59 <Zakim> +??P1
14:04:24 <Clarke> zakim, ??P1 is me
14:04:24 <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
14:05:05 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:05:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, milan_patel, Jungkee (muted), Josh_Soref, dcheng3, Dsr, bryan, Cathy, Clarke
14:05:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see Clarke, bryan, dsr, Cathy, Jungkee, dcheng3, Milan_Patel, dtran, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Paul_Kinlan, darobin, richt, tobie, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, trackbot, mounir,
14:05:07 <Zakim> ... hiroto, dom
14:05:23 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Minutes
14:05:29 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i think the agenda was missing in the minutes
14:06:21 <Josh_Soref> ... we'll approve the minutes next time
14:06:41 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Welcome new members
14:06:42 <fjh> Welcome additional new members to DAP, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Jul/0066.html
14:07:09 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Light Events CfC
14:07:18 <Josh_Soref> fjh: dougt made changes in response to comments
14:07:20 <fjh> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/light/Overview.html
14:07:46 <fjh> doub response - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Jul/0071.html
14:07:57 <Josh_Soref> s/doub/dougt/
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14:08:10 <Josh_Soref> fjh: dougt made changes to include "Ambient" in the title
14:08:28 <fjh> proposed RESOLUTION: Publish Ambient Light Events as FPWD having shortname  "light"
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14:09:39 <Zakim> + +47.23.69.aaee
14:09:45 <Clarke> I agree with Josh.
14:09:47 <richt_> zakim, aaee is me
14:09:47 <Zakim> +richt_; got it
14:09:52 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: i'd rather something less ambiguous
14:10:02 <Josh_Soref> ... light could be for turning on / off light emitting devices
14:10:06 <fjh> proposed RESOLUTION: Publish Ambient Light Events as FPWD having shortname  "ambientlight"
14:10:08 <Josh_Soref> ... people don't type urls anyway
14:10:28 <Josh_Soref> dsr: i'd go with hyphenation
14:10:31 <fjh> proposed RESOLUTION: Publish Ambient Light Events as FPWD having shortname  "ambient-light"
14:10:33 <Clarke> Especially if we're talking about something that enables UPnP and other home automation protocols
14:10:48 <Josh_Soref> +1
14:10:54 <Josh_Soref> s/+1/Josh_Soref: +1/
14:11:03 <Josh_Soref> fjh: that change matches the title
14:11:08 <Josh_Soref> RESOLUTION: Publish Ambient Light Events as FPWD having shortname "ambient-light"
14:11:31 <fjh> action: darobin to prepare Ambient Light Events for FPWD publication, including change of shortname to "ambient-light"
14:11:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-564 - Prepare Ambient Light Events for FPWD publication, including change of shortname to "ambient-light" [on Robin Berjon - due 2012-08-08].
14:11:46 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Web Intents
14:11:55 <Josh_Soref> fjh: technical discussion needs to happen on Web Intents list
14:12:02 <fjh> WebActivities and WebIntents - Comment/discussion on proposal?  http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2012-July/036719.html
14:12:03 <Josh_Soref> ... i think some messages only went to DAP
14:12:12 <Josh_Soref> ... there's a proposal from hixie
14:12:19 <Josh_Soref> ... there's a requirement we need to talk about
14:12:30 <Josh_Soref> ... sicking + mounir in their message raised an important requirement
14:12:31 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/spec-prod/2012AprJun/0071.html
14:12:42 <Josh_Soref> ... to be able to go to a page/open a new page
14:12:47 <Josh_Soref> ... not show the default page
14:12:59 <Josh_Soref> ... incorporating that, so as to not confuse the user
14:13:21 <fjh> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/mozilla.dev.webapi/o8bkwx0EtmM
14:13:38 <Josh_Soref> s|http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/spec-prod/2012AprJun/0071.html||
14:13:57 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Pick Media Intent
14:14:05 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Jul/0061.html (Youenn)
14:14:06 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Jul/0063.html (Jungkee)
14:14:14 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i'm not used to TFs
14:14:14 <Jungkee> Zakim, unmute me
14:14:14 <Zakim> Jungkee should no longer be muted
14:14:28 <Josh_Soref> ... it makes sense to get things we can dispense with done
14:14:37 <Josh_Soref> ... that doesn't require much discussion
14:15:31 <Josh_Soref> Jungkee: i got a statement from canon people
14:15:44 <Josh_Soref> ... a major topic was about the type of intent parameter
14:15:56 <Josh_Soref> ... [something] about metadata
14:15:59 <Jungkee> http://w3c-test.org/dap/gallery/#metadata-properties
14:16:18 <Josh_Soref> ... here i made a table of meta data
14:16:31 <Josh_Soref> ... in apendix 3
14:16:43 <Josh_Soref> s/apendix/appendix/
14:16:59 <Josh_Soref> ... what i want to do is verify a set of properties
14:17:03 <Josh_Soref> ... with a service provider
14:17:26 <Josh_Soref> ... if we have contact points to service providers in this group
14:17:30 <Josh_Soref> ... that'd help
14:17:36 <Josh_Soref> fjh: what about blob: and uri stuff?
14:17:40 <Josh_Soref> ... and keyword filtering?
14:17:58 <Josh_Soref> Jungkee: we need to deliver either blob: or URI
14:18:10 <Josh_Soref> ... i think we can discuss this later on with the lazy blob proposal
14:18:19 <Josh_Soref> ... darobin mentioned it at the f2f
14:18:55 <Josh_Soref> ... to make the spec move forward
14:19:04 <Josh_Soref> ... metadata needs to be verified with service providers
14:19:12 <Jungkee> http://intents.w3.org/type/media
14:19:24 <Josh_Soref> ... and also type needs to be discussed
14:20:24 <Josh_Soref> ... i'm thinking that media type/filtering criteria will be on the service implementer side
14:20:34 <Josh_Soref> ... that gives them the flexibility
14:20:39 <Josh_Soref> ... and makes it simple from the client side
14:20:41 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: +1
14:21:07 <Josh_Soref> fjh: one thing is to share the draft to the Web Intents TF
14:21:36 <Josh_Soref> Jungkee: i posted my email to the Web Intents TF
14:21:58 <Josh_Soref> fjh: ok, i see that, thank you
14:22:04 <Josh_Soref> ... anything else on that today?
14:22:12 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Capture Accept discussion
14:22:23 <Jungkee> Zakim, unmute me
14:22:23 <Zakim> Jungkee was not muted, Jungkee
14:22:44 <Jungkee> Media captue
14:23:17 <Josh_Soref> fjh: it seems we need to figure this out, it's kind of important
14:23:27 <Jungkee> not really
14:23:34 <Josh_Soref> s/not really//
14:23:37 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute Jungkee 
14:23:37 <Zakim> Jungkee should now be muted
14:23:43 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is making noise
14:23:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noise', Josh_Soref
14:23:45 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is making noise?
14:23:49 <Josh_Soref> Topic: Testing
14:23:56 <Zakim> Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: fjh (53%), Josh_Soref (14%)
14:23:57 <Josh_Soref> fjh: i know there is stuff on proximity
14:24:01 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, mute me
14:24:01 <Zakim> Josh_Soref should now be muted
14:24:14 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:24:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, milan_patel, Jungkee (muted), Josh_Soref (muted), dcheng3, Dsr, bryan, Cathy, Clarke, richt_
14:24:15 <Josh_Soref> fjh: dtran did some testing on proximity
14:24:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see richt_, glenn, Clarke, bryan, dsr, Cathy, Jungkee, dcheng3, Milan_Patel, dtran, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, darobin, tobie, slightlyoff, Josh_Soref, trackbot, mounir,
14:24:17 <Zakim> ... hiroto, dom
14:24:52 <richt_> q+ AOB
14:24:53 <Josh_Soref> ... i don't think there are any pressing actions
14:24:56 <richt_> q- AOB
14:25:01 <richt_> q+
14:25:04 <Josh_Soref> q+ richt_ to talk in AOB
14:25:17 <fjh> zakim, richt_
14:25:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'richt_', fjh
14:25:24 <fjh> ack richt_
14:25:24 <Zakim> richt_, you wanted to talk in AOB
14:25:26 <Josh_Soref> Topic: AOB
14:25:48 <Josh_Soref> richt_: we agreed at the f2f to publish service-discovery-messaging
14:25:55 <Josh_Soref> ... we're agreeing internally
14:26:00 <Josh_Soref> ... we want to try to push it next week
14:26:15 <Josh_Soref> ... it's slightly delayed, but we're working with other groups internally
14:26:47 <Josh_Soref> fjh: are you talking about a FPWD or an ED
14:27:11 <Josh_Soref> ... i think it's an Unofficial Draft, there's a template for that
14:27:23 <Josh_Soref> richt_: we'll try to do that by next week
14:27:51 <Josh_Soref> fjh: send an email to the list saying "here's the url for the unofficial draft"
14:29:04 <Josh_Soref> ... anything else to discuss?
14:29:07 <Josh_Soref> [ Nothing ]
14:29:18 <Zakim> -bryan
14:29:20 <Josh_Soref> [ Adjourned ]
14:29:24 <Josh_Soref> trackbot, end meeting
14:29:24 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:29:24 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been fjh, +1.214.919.aaaa, milan_patel, +1.289.261.aabb, Josh_Soref, Jungkee, +49.173.537.aacc, Dsr, dcheng3, +1.425.214.aadd, bryan, Cathy,
14:29:27 <Zakim> ... Clarke, +47.23.69.aaee, richt_
14:29:27 <Zakim> -Clarke
14:29:30 <Zakim> -richt_
14:29:31 <Zakim> -fjh
14:29:32 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:29:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/01-dap-minutes.html trackbot
14:29:32 <Zakim> -Jungkee
14:29:32 <Zakim> -dcheng3
14:29:33 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:29:33 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/01-dap-actions.rdf :
14:29:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: darobin to prepare Ambient Light Events for FPWD publication, including change of shortname to "ambient-light" [1]
14:29:33 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/08/01-dap-irc#T14-11-31
14:29:33 <Zakim> -milan_patel
14:29:36 <Zakim> -Josh_Soref