18:49:44 RRSAgent has joined #au 18:49:45 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/07/30-au-irc 18:49:50 Zakim, this will be AUWG 18:49:50 ok, Jan; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start in 11 minutes 18:49:55 Meeting: WAI AU 18:50:01 Chair: Jutta Treviranus 18:50:06 Regrets: Cherie E. 19:01:58 WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started 19:02:04 zakim, code? 19:02:04 the conference code is 2894 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Jan 19:02:07 +[Microsoft] 19:02:12 +??P1 19:02:38 +??P2 19:02:49 zakim, ??P2 is really Jan 19:02:49 +Jan; got it 19:03:10 zakim, [Microsoft] is really Alex 19:03:10 +Alex; got it 19:03:19 zakim, who's here? 19:03:19 On the phone I see Alex, ??P1, Jan 19:03:20 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Jan, trackbot 19:03:33 zakim, ??P1 is really Jutta 19:03:33 +Jutta; got it 19:03:34 Jutta has joined #au 19:03:34 +Jeanne 19:04:17 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2012JulSep/0024.html 19:13:39 +Tim_Boland 19:14:29 Proposal: 6. A list of the *web content technologies produced by the authoring tool that are included in the claim*. If there are any web content technologies produced by the authoring tool that are *not included* in the conformance claim, these must be listed separately. If the authoring tool produces any web content technologies by default, then these must be *included*. 19:16:35 JR: Two "danger" cases...one where the problematic format is deafult (which this covers)...the other is when it is a secondary format that is problematic (not covered) 19:16:47 JT: Anyone else have concerns 19:18:39 B.4.1.1 Features Active by Default: All accessible content support features are turned on by default. (Level A) 19:19:32 B.2.2.1 Accessible Option Prominence (WCAG): If authors are provided with a choice of authoring actions for achieving the same authoring outcome (e.g., styling text), then options that will result in accessible web content (WCAG) are at least as prominent as options that will not. (Level A to meet WCAG 2.0 Level A success criteria; Level AA to meet WCAG 2.0 Level A and AA success criteria;... 19:19:33 ...Level AAA to meet all WCAG 2.0 success criteria) 19:20:25 JT: But no explicit guidance 19:20:39 JT: Other example is video formats...one supporting captions, other not 19:23:43 JT: Need not be a negative statement...could be positive..."in order to create accessible videos with captions...use this format" 19:24:04 JT: Not a critique of one file format... 19:24:16 JT: I'm reticent to remove this entirely. 19:25:00 JT: We very often talk to developers after the fact and they say "if only we knew..." 19:26:09 AL: Comes down to practiacality and practical way to not infringe on other technologies in a negative way...in theory possible ...but no suggestions 19:26:50 Topic: 2. Test written to date: 19:27:05 JS: New document: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2012JulSep/0025.html 19:27:28 JT: Given the size of testing task... 19:27:42 JT: We'd like to create a sub-group.... 19:28:03 JT: to write the test cases. 19:28:10 Sueann has joined #au 19:28:12 JS: I think we should go ahead. 19:28:58 + +1.970.349.aaaa 19:28:59 AL: Can we just do it on a survey 19:29:27 zakim, aaaa is really Sueann 19:29:27 +Sueann; got it 19:29:39 JS: Sorry that's too much copy-paste 19:30:11 AL: I think you can do survey with just a link, not full on copy-paste...having survey is a nudge to people to do things 19:31:16 JR: Are you saying we could have a survey with only a few questions? 19:31:23 jeanne has joined #au 19:31:25 AL: Maybe per SC? 19:32:34 JT: Alternative approach, have the subgroup prepare and vet the document and then give3 the whole doc to the rest of the group for review. 19:33:35 JT: Updates Sueann... 19:33:51 JS: There can be multiple tests per SC 19:34:12 SN: Is there a model - how have other groups done it? 19:34:47 AL: Survey per technique....it helps the group make foreward progress. 19:35:19 JS: Sorry I would rather spend time working on the tests. 19:35:39 SN: Can other people make surveys. 19:37:46 JR: Maybe we hold off on the surveys 19:38:04 -Tim_Boland 19:38:17 JS: I'm away next week 19:38:28 JT: And its a CDN holiday 19:38:54 JT: So if no objections to the subgroup working on tests... 19:39:31 JT: Aug 6 - no call... 19:39:47 JT: Aug 3, testing subgroup call 19:40:06 s/Aug 3/Aug 13 19:40:55 JT: Any idea about the WG meeting? 19:41:13 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35520/20120612/results 19:41:55 JR: We agreed not to meet at TPAC 19:42:09 JR: GP offered to host. 19:42:18 JT: We could host as well. 19:43:40 JT: So for the next survey...wording for B.4.1.3...plus potential meeting dates 19:44:39 JT: Will send some dates when I'm available to start it off 19:45:17 SN: Can definitely look into hosting in Boca in Nov+ 19:45:48 JT: Anything else to cover? 19:47:10 -Jeanne 19:47:11 -Alex 19:47:11 -Sueann 19:47:13 -Jan 19:47:15 -Jutta 19:47:15 JR: So far the sub-group is Jeanne, Tim and Jan....we'll send an email to the group. 19:47:16 WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has ended 19:47:16 Attendees were Jan, Alex, Jutta, Jeanne, Tim_Boland, +1.970.349.aaaa, Sueann 19:47:39 RRSAgent, make minutes 19:47:39 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/30-au-minutes.html Jan 19:47:41 Sueann has left #au 19:47:49 RRSAgent, set logs public 19:47:54 Zakim, bye 19:47:54 Zakim has left #au 19:47:59 RRSAgent, bye 19:47:59 I see no action items