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16:00:38 Zakim, who is on the phone?
16:00:38 On the phone I see no one
16:01:02 zakim, this is HTML_WG
16:01:02 glenn, this was already HTML_WG()12:00PM
16:01:03 ok, glenn; that matches HTML_WG()12:00PM
16:01:09 zakim, who's on the phone?
16:01:09 On the phone I see no one
16:01:22 trackbot, start meeting
16:01:24 RRSAgent, make logs public
16:01:26 Zakim, this will be html_wg
16:01:26 ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
16:01:27 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:01:27 Date: 26 July 2012
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16:01:47 zakim, [Microsoft] is me
16:01:47 sorry, jaymunro, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsoft]'
16:01:56 zakim, Microsoft is me
16:01:56 sorry, jaymunro, I do not recognize a party named 'Microsoft'
16:02:08 zakim, who's here?
16:02:08 On the phone I see no one
16:02:09 On IRC I see janina, rubys, eliot, jaymunro, cjones, paulc, icaaq, myakura, dveditz, vimeo_joe, miketaylr, glenn, davidb, plh, ArtB, nonge_, drublic_, tmpsantos, MikeSmith, karl,
16:02:09 ... decadance, shepazu, logbot, slightlyoff, jgraham, lgombos, odinho, Dashiva, Jedi, hiro_away, arronei, RRSAgent, [tm], timeless, johndrinkwater, Wilto, gsnedders, Philip, ed,
16:02:11 ... trackbot, ybit, heycam|away, paul___irish, CIA-1, hober, krijnhuman, gavin, Hixie, Zakim, jmb, inimino, Velmont
16:02:28 zakim, list attendees
16:02:28 As of this point the attendees have been (none)
16:02:29 zakim, [Microsoft] is me
16:02:29 sorry, jaymunro, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsoft]'
16:03:14 scribe: plh
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16:03:55 I’m here.
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16:04:38 Present: Paul, Sam, Glenn, plh, Jay, Janina, Eliot, Matthew, Ted
16:05:02 Topic: Action items
16:05:05 none
16:05:10 Topic: New issues
16:05:12 none
16:05:21 Topic: Items that closed last week
16:05:25 issue-199?
16:05:25 ISSUE-199 -- Define complete processing requirements for ARIA attributes -- open
16:05:25 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199
16:05:36 Paul: we have a WG decision later in the agenda
16:05:43 issue-200?
16:05:43 ISSUE-200 -- Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in non-FIELDSET elements -- open
16:05:43 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200
16:06:30 Paul: now in Chairs hands
16:06:42 issue-189?
16:06:42 ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- open
16:06:42 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
16:06:53 Paul: now in Chairs hands
16:07:02 Topic: Items Closing This Week
16:07:09 issue-131?
16:07:09 ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
16:07:09 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
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16:07:20 Paul: we sent a request to update proposals by Jul 24
16:07:46 ... and we received multiple requests for extension, while adsorbing the decision on issue 205
16:07:54 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0178.html
16:08:06 extension was granted to August 3 by mjs
16:08:08 ... so it's on hold until the Chairs see the reaction
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16:08:52 Paul: apologizes to Silvia for spelling her name wrong in the announcement btw
16:08:58 issue-194?
16:08:58 ISSUE-194 -- Provide a mechanism for associating a full transcript with an audio or video element. -- open
16:08:58 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194
16:09:04 Paul: this one is closing today
16:09:08 issue-183?
16:09:08 ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element -- open
16:09:08 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
16:09:15 Paul: CfC closes tomorrow
16:09:40 ... no responses so far
16:09:56 present+ Laura
16:09:56 issue-203?
16:09:56 ISSUE-203 -- All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element -- open
16:09:56 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203
16:10:04 Paul: CfC closes on July 27
16:11:04 ... oops, forget about this. issue 203 is waiting on issue 30, which is waiting on issue 204
16:11:31 ... shouldn't have been on the agenda
16:11:36 issue-206?
16:11:36 ISSUE-206 -- Should HTML5 have a meta generator exception to the alt requirement? -- open
16:11:36 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/206
16:11:51 Paul: Call for counter proposals closes on July 27
16:12:02 ... and Ted is interested in writing one
16:12:12 Topic: Items Closing Next Week
16:12:13 none
16:12:19 Topic: New Calls this Week
16:12:21 none
16:12:34 Topic: New Surveys this week
16:12:35 none
16:12:42 Topic: Decisions this week
16:12:53 Paul: we have one on issue 199
16:13:00 ... see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0122.html
16:13:32 Topic: Task Force Reports
16:13:41 Paul: written report from Kris on test suite tf
16:13:51 .. see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JulSep/0014.html
16:14:09 Paul: next is a11 tf report
16:14:34 Janina: 205, sorry about the delay. we're looking into it. not clear we'll ask for reconsideration
16:14:48 ... some statements in the decision that people may want to respond in the record
16:14:58 ... might come back in that question in html.next
16:15:15 ... we agreed to answer by august 3rd
16:15:38 ... we're moving forward on most of the remaining issues
16:15:46 ... where are we on 204 and 201?
16:16:10 Paul: hold on for those twos. later in the agenda
16:16:49 Janina: also trying to figure the implementations for HTML for A11y api
16:17:05 ... no report ready for wider review yet
16:17:24 Paul: next one is the media group sub-group
16:17:36 Paul: we're meeting every Tuesday, alternating the proposals
16:18:01 ... both of the original submission are being changed substantial to use a more OO approach
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16:18:06 ... taking longer than expected
16:18:16 ... by the end of august, we'll have new revisions
16:18:29 ... and get to some of the other bugs, which are on hold at the moment
16:18:50 ... objectives is to bring the proposals back to the WG and possibly as first FPWD
16:19:00 ... next week is Media Source Extensions
16:19:11 ... see public-html-media@w3.org
16:19:38 ... some indication from a11y experts that there might be some issues
16:19:43 ... cf f2f discussions
16:19:50 Topic: Other Business
16:20:00 Paul: Proposed adaptive image element
16:20:11 ... email thread starts at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0123.html
16:20:20 ... and a bug in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18384
16:20:48 ... there seems to be interest in this feature, and whether it belongs to HTML5 or HTML.next
16:22:10 plh: concerned about the time it will take to close on it. safer to put it in HTML5
16:22:25 Paul: one of the co-chairs suggested filing a bug and we have one now
16:22:51 Matthew: putting this off to HTML.next is problematic
16:23:15 ... we could resolve issues quickly
16:23:32 http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html
16:23:35 Paul: agreed. maybe we need a very concrete proposal, written as an editor's draft
16:23:49 ... and start having a technical discussion
16:24:22 ... I'll like to encourage the CG to do the editor's draft, then submit it
16:24:37 ... possibly opening a new component in bugzilla
16:25:14 ... get something in the mercurial space that correctly reflects the sentiment of the CG
16:25:24 Ted: seems they should drive it to FSA
16:25:53 Paul: agreed, but we could start the technical discussion going while the CG does the FSA step
16:26:04 ... I'm happy to help on this
16:26:27 ... I do believe that we should drive it like the media extensions
16:27:02 Matthew: agreed
16:27:46 ... what about having implementations?
16:28:06 Paul: you could but we might change the proposal later on
16:28:31 Matthew: we do have active interest from IE and Adobe on this
16:29:13 ACTION: Paul to work with Matthew to get an editor's draft submitted to the WG for proposed adaptive image element
16:29:14 Created ACTION-220 - Work with Matthew to get an editor's draft submitted to the WG for proposed adaptive image element [on Paul Cotton - due 2012-08-02].
16:29:40 Matthew: I resubmitted this to the WHATWG, what does this mean for this process?
16:29:48 Paul: we'll follow up offline
16:29:58 issue-195?
16:29:58 ISSUE-195 -- Enhance http request generation from forms -- open
16:29:58 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/195
16:30:09 Paul: it seems we're ready for survey here
16:30:33 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0207.html
16:30:43 Sam: Cameron wants until the end of next week to see if it's ready for survey
16:30:54 issue-201?
16:30:54 ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- open
16:30:54 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
16:31:15 Paul: some of the CP authors met on Tuesday and came up with a merged proposal
16:31:54 ... Steve has been working on it
16:32:01 ... Frank and Ted need to look at it
16:32:35 Ted: will look into it by end of day tomorrow
16:32:43 Janina: thanks for the update
16:32:49 issue-204?
16:32:49 ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open
16:32:49 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
16:32:57 Paul: some discussion going on here
16:33:00 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0209.html
16:33:54 Ted: I removed the paragraph
16:34:03 Sam: I believe this is ready for survey
16:34:40 Paul: ok, so this is ready for survey. Expect one for 204 to go out eminently
16:34:58 Janina: thanks for correcting the proposal. I'm happy with it
16:35:17 issue-164?
16:35:17 ISSUE-164 -- remove or modify hgroup -- open
16:35:17 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/164
16:35:27 Paul: I sent out 5 reviews earlier this week.
16:35:34 ... we have responses on 3 emails
16:35:41 ... 2 of them by August 3rd
16:35:54 ... one of them will not be updated
16:36:01 ... so on hold until August 3rd
16:36:12 ... we'll continue to follow up
16:36:34 ... and decide what to do with the CP that won't be updated by the author
16:36:45 Paul: next one is the charter revision
16:36:49 ... plh sent an update
16:38:23 plh: it's in the hands of W3C management, then will go to the AC
16:38:31 ... expect approval by end of September
16:38:42 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0183.html
16:38:47 Paul: we had the editors announcement yesterday
16:38:54 ... we announced four individuals
16:39:39 ... and we keep looking at the Canvas2D editors
16:39:54 ... we'll get the editors on board and work through the backlog
16:40:03 ... thank you to all applicants
16:40:20 ... W3C has sponsorship for editorial position
16:40:31 ... and the team and chairs are evaluating candidates
16:40:46 Topic: Scribe for next meeting
16:40:58 Paul: it's Sam turn next week
16:41:19 Glenn: I'll scribe next week
16:41:39 [adjourned]
16:41:48 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/26-html-wg-minutes.html plh
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16:42:10 Chair: Paul
16:42:13 Regrets: Kris
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