13:26:32 RRSAgent has joined #rd 13:26:32 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/07/25-rd-irc 13:26:34 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:26:34 Zakim has joined #rd 13:26:36 Zakim, this will be 7394 13:26:36 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes 13:26:37 Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference 13:26:37 Date: 25 July 2012 13:27:24 Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) 13:27:24 Agenda+ TC and E2R Submission timelines 13:27:24 Agenda+ Next Topic Discussion 13:27:24 Agenda+ Metrics W3C Note Status 13:27:24 Agenda+ Issues and Actions (Standing Item): https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/ 13:27:25 Agenda+ Any Other Business (Standing Item) 13:27:59 WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started 13:28:06 +??P6 13:28:09 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-rd/2012Jul/0020.html 13:28:15 +??P7 13:28:23 zakim, ??P7 is me 13:28:23 +vivienne; got it 13:29:02 +Shadi 13:29:10 Zakim wonders where ??P5 is 13:29:27 Zakim wonders where ?? is 13:29:56 zakim, ??p6 13:29:56 I don't understand '??p6', Justin 13:30:20 zakim, ?? is me 13:30:20 +Justin; got it 13:32:46 +Shawn 13:33:07 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:33:16 On the phone I see Justin, vivienne, Shadi, Shawn 13:33:50 agneda? 13:33:55 agneda?agenda? 13:34:03 agenda? 13:37:47 peter has joined #rd 13:38:26 +??P10 13:38:40 Zakim, ??P10 is me 13:38:40 +peter; got it 13:44:56 http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/charter3 13:45:19 http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/charter3#deliverables 13:49:26 [discussion of use of wiki, prioritizing topics, & more] 13:50:33 SAZ: need to formalize criteria by which we select topics 13:52:23 zakim, take up item 2 13:52:23 agendum 2. "TC and E2R Submission timelines" taken up [from shadi] 13:53:05 scribe: vivienne 13:54:02 Shawn: precall issued some time ago and the E2R needs more work before its ready for a call. Has met with Klaus and done some work but won't continue till he's back from vacation - after 8 August. Have done some work on the timeline, but no contents. 13:54:33 Shawn: had decided to do the precalls at the same time with the submission deadline at the same time with the 2 seminars separate but close by. Maybe a single report, but waiting to see about this. 13:54:58 Shadi: we have a precall for text customization - went out a while ago 13:55:02 s/precall issued some time ago/TC4R(text customization for readability) precall issued some time ago/ 13:55:29 Shadi: will send out a reminder when we send out the precall for the E2R. We'll send out the call for the text customizatin at the same time as the E2R. 13:55:39 Shawn: no need for a precall for the E2R 13:55:54 Shawn: need info to send out the precall, but only a bit more than this for the call 13:56:06 Shawn: we can just go ahead and do the call for both and not bother with the precall 13:56:34 Shawn: it looks like we still need the main objectives etc before we send the precall. by the time we have this ready, we can do the call at the same time. 13:57:03 Shadi: there are loose ends with both of those topics to clean up 13:57:23 timeline: http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Topic_3_Timeline 13:57:29 Shawn: main to decide is the timeline 13:57:40 Shadi: no quorum to decide that today 13:57:52 Shawn: email went out already, can we discuss that? 13:58:19 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-rd/2012Jul/0024.html 14:05:58 Shadi: December 3rd is a good date - International Day of Persons with Disabilities. No later than December 10. 14:06:46 Shadi: can't do anything over the 2 weeks during the Christmas period. 3rd really should be the date chosen. 10th if we have to, but 17th too close to Christmas 14:08:03 Shadi: 2nd suggestion - E2R for Dec.3 which puts Text customization on November 5th - the month before 14:08:31 Shadi: we talked about having the 2 seminars a month apart, but putting it on 5 Nov. gets the call date right in the middle of August 14:09:02 Shawn: that won't work because Klause won't be available to work on E2R by then, and 3 Sept is too early from August 14:09:49 Shadi: if we have E2R on 3 Dec. that would mean the call would need to go out on Sept.10 for E2R 14:10:07 Shawn: we need 3 weeks instead of 2 for extra time 14:10:42 Shawn: because we are planning to have the submission deadline as the same date for both seminars, we need to count from the first date and not the second 14:11:03 Shawn: 10 Dec. is the Human Rights Day which might be interesting to tie into 14:11:43 Shawn: are we flexible on the proximity of the teleconferences themselves 14:12:00 q+ 14:12:41 Shadi: have to find a balance - maybe 1 weeks is too close, 2 weeks might be okay. Maybe 18 Nov and Dec. 3 or 10 14:13:54 Shadi: calculating backwards - Nov. 18 as text customization and Dec. 3 as E2R or Dec.10 - 3 weeks before that to discuss 14:14:13 Shadi: sorry, that was Nov.19 14:14:16 [Nv 19] 14:15:10 Shadi: we shouldn't push one of the symposia into the next year - 6 Jan is a major public holiday and the 7th people wouldn't be back from vacation. We should keep it in this year 14:16:24 Shadi: would most people be back on the monday after Thanksgiving? 14:16:54 Shadi: action - look for an alternate teleconferencing possibility that would not give us the constraint of Monday 14:17:12 Shadi: candidate dates Nov. 19, Dec. 3 (with the 10th as the least preferred) 14:17:47 Shadi: need to retrofit the timeline so that we can meet these dates. Call could go out in the last week of August with reminders going out 14:18:08 Shawn: if we get rid of the limitation of Mondays, it would make it easier 14:20:31 will we be taking away from the audience possibility by having them too close together? 14:20:40 Shawn: still think the 2 weeks between is okay 14:21:13 Shadi: having them close shows that they are related, which may be useful 14:21:28 Shadi: can adjourn for now 14:22:09 bye 14:22:09 vivienne has left #rd 14:22:15 -Shawn 14:22:16 -Justin 14:22:18 -vivienne 14:22:19 -Shadi 14:22:31 -peter 14:22:33 WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended 14:22:33 Attendees were vivienne, Shadi, Justin, Shawn, peter 14:23:04 trackbot, end meeting 14:23:04 Zakim, list attendees 14:23:04 sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is 14:23:12 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 14:23:12 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/25-rd-minutes.html trackbot 14:23:13 RRSAgent, bye 14:23:13 I see no action items