IRC log of wai-wcag on 2012-07-19

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Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 19 July 2012
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+Cooper
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zakim, who is on the call?
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On the phone I see Gregg_Vanderheiden, [Microsoft], David_MacDonald, Andi_Snow_Weaver, [Microsoft.a], Cooper, James_Nurthen
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-Cooper
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ack[m
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ack [m
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zakim, call cooper-mobile
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ok, MichaelC_; the call is being made
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+Cooper
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+Judy
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zakim, call cooper-mit
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ok, MichaelC_; the call is being made
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+Cooper
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OK
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zakim, Microsoft.a is Cherie_Eckholm
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scribe: Andi
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+Cherie_Eckholm; got it
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zakim, Microsoft is Alex_Li
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+Alex_Li; got it
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RESOLUTION: Accept 1.3.1, 1.4.2, 3.3.2, 3.3.3 as proposed
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chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden
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topic: Results of Questionnaire WCAG Issues for 19 July 2012 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/July-19/results
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regrets: Bruce_Bailey, Peter_Korn, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Kathleen_Wahlbin
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Leave ARIA questions (1 & 2) to the end or until next week when Loretta is back
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+Bruce_Bailey
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+Robin_Tuttle
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topic: Reword of 1.4.4 to address the sentence that WCAG invited the WCAG2ICT Taskforce to rework.
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RESOLUTION: Accept 1.4.4 as proposed
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topic: 1.3.2 Guidance - submitted for approval
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Note that Christophe's comments have been captured on the 1.4.4 page to be revisted after first public working draft.
20:17:16 [greggvanderheiden]
The WCAG2ICT TF either describe what "content" means in the introduction, or remove all of the sentences from the WCAG2ICT TF comments that say " See introduction for the way to interpret content
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-Cooper
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FROM WCAG : information and sensory experience to be communicated to the user by means of a user agent, including code or markup that defines the content's structure, presentation, and interactions
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q+
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ack j
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q+
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ack gregg
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q+ to say the introduction only has an @@, which can be the seed of the editorial note, and I don't see anything we're talking about as inconsistent with what's already been discussed
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-> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/introduction-to-wcag2ict-application-note Introduction
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ack m
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MichaelC, you wanted to say the introduction only has an @@, which can be the seed of the editorial note, and I don't see anything we're talking about as inconsistent with what's
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... already been discussed
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+??P11
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q+
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zakim, ??P11 is adam_solomon
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+adam_solomon; got it
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-Bruce_Bailey
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q+
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q+
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ack g
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https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/quick-view
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ack gregg
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ack judy
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ack andi
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https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/1-perceivable/13-create-content-that-can-be-presented-in-different-ways/132-meaningful-sequence
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Change bullet 2 to: there may be more than one order that is "correct" according to the WCAG definition
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1) providing a particular linear order is only required where it affects meaning.
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2) there may be more than one order that is "correct" (according to the WCAG 2.0 definition)
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3) only one correct order needs to be provided.
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RESOLUTION: Accept 1.3.2 with the Note removed.
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RESOLUTION: Add Note to WCAG 2.0 Intent, modifying bullet 2 to read "2) there may be more than one order that is "correct" (according to the WCAG 2.0 definition)"
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-adam_solomon
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The WCAG2ICT TF either describe what "content" means in the introduction, or remove all of the sentences from the WCAG2ICT TF comments that say " See introduction for the way to interpret content
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s/Note to WCAG 2.0 intent/Add to the end of 1.3.2 WCAG 2.0 intent "For clarity:" followed by the 3 bullets/
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rrsagent, make minutes
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20:45:10 [greggvanderheiden]
The WCAG2ICT TF either describe what "content" means in the introduction, or remove all of the sentences from the WCAG2ICT TF comments that say " See introduction for the way to interpret content. The definition in 1.3.2 is acceptable to WCAG WG if the task force would like to use it.
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text to separate definitions
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RESOLUTION: The WCAG2ICT TF either describe what "content" means in the introduction, or remove all of the sentences from the WCAG2ICT TF comments that say " See introduction for the way to interpret content. The definition in 1.3.2 is acceptable to WCAG WG if the task force would like to use it.
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s/definitions/resolutions/
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RESOLUTION: Accept 1.4.3 with the pointer to content in the introduction removed
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topic: 2.4.2 Guidance - submitted for approval
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q+
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ack a
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+[Oracle]
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Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn
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+Peter_Korn; got it
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q+
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RESOLUTION: WCAG recommends but does not require that the TF change the term "title attribute" or to clarify that it is meant generically
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come back to this one at the end of the meeting
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see Gregg_Vanderheiden, Alex_Li, David_MacDonald, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Cherie_Eckholm, Cooper, James_Nurthen, Judy, Robin_Tuttle, [Oracle]
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[Oracle] has Peter_Korn
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topic: 2.4.3 Guidance - submitted for approval
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RESOLUTION: Add to 2.4.3 Intent: "For clarity:
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s/clarity:/clarity: followed by the three bullets in the note/
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text to separate resolutions
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RESOLUTION: Accept 2.4.3 with note removed
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Next survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/wCAG2ICT-7/results
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topic: 3.3.1 edits to WCAG 2.0 INTENT for 3.3.1 Error Identification
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RESOLUTION: Accept edits to 3.3.1 edits to WCAG 2.0 intent with the word "software" changed to "system".
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topic: edit to WCAG 2.0 INTENT for 3.3.3 Error Suggestion
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RESOLUTION: Accept edits to 3.3.3 WCAG 2.0 intent with the word "software" changed to "system"
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s/Accept edits to 3.3.1 edits to WCAG 2.0 intent /Accept edits to 3.3.1 WCAG 2.0 intent /
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topic: Reword of 2.4.6 to address concerns of WCAG WG
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"Note that in software user interfaces, labels and headings are used to describe controls and sections of content respectively."
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Note that in software user interfaces, labels and headings are used to describe controls and sections of content respectively.
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That replaces the existing proposed "Note that in software user interfaces, headings and labels are used to describe blocks of text and controls respectively."
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RESOLUTION: Accept reword of 2.4.6 with the "Note that in software user interfaces, headings and labels are used to describe blocks of text and controls respectively." replaced with "Note that in software user interfaces, labels and headings are used to describe controls and sections of content respectively."
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topic: FRONT MATTER Text for the WCAG2ICT document
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q+
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q+
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ack korn
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q+
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q-
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The objective of WCAG2ICT Task Force is to develop documentation describing how to apply WCAG 2.0 and its principles, guidelines, and success criteria to non-Web Information and Communications Technologies (ICT).
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ack alex
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q+
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q+
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ack Andi
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q+ to say that if the title were to be changed (and I have no comment on whether it does need to be changed) it needs to come back to survey. We can't agree something like that as a comment on a survey.
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ack alex
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ack a
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q+
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q-
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q+
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ack me
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jamesn, you wanted to say that if the title were to be changed (and I have no comment on whether it does need to be changed) it needs to come back to survey. We can't agree
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... something like that as a comment on a survey.
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q+
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ack gregg
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q+
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q+
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ack j
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ack k
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q+
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need to drop
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-Robin_Tuttle
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ack a
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RESOLUTION: Accept FRONTMATTER as proposed
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This draft document is intended to help make non-Web ICT more accessible to people with disabilities." -> "This draft document is intended to help clarify how to use WCAG 2.0 to make non-Web ICT more accessible to people with disabilities."
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+1
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"what WCAG 2.0 Conformance means" -> "what WCAG 2.0 Conformance would mean"
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topic: INTRODUCTION to WCAG2ICT document - submitted for approval
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-James_Nurthen
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q+
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q+
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ack j
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q+ Cherie
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q+
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q+
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q-
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educational/training material should work
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q+
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q+
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ack k
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There are many guidelines, application notes, and standards that focus on or include specific accessibility support for file formats, general software concerns, telecommunication, and other electronic technologies that may be of help in that endeavor.
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+1
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q+
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ack j
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+1
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q+ to express a concern about proposal above
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Judy, you wanted to express a concern about proposal above
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q+
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-Cherie_Eckholm
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q+
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ack gregg
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RESOLUTION: Accept Introduction with two edits from Loretta in the survey
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text to separate resolutions
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RESOLUTION: WCAG WG approves publication of WCAG2ICT as a First Public Working Draft (those parts that have been approved by the WG)
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-[Oracle]
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WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Gregg_Vanderheiden, David_MacDonald, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Cooper, James_Nurthen, Judy, Cherie_Eckholm, Alex_Li, Bruce_Bailey, Robin_Tuttle, adam_solomon, Peter_Korn
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/19-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
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zakim, bye
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