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16:01:53 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:01:53 <trackbot> Date: 19 July 2012
16:02:01 <rubys> ScribeNick: hober
16:02:32 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JulSep/0011.html
16:02:36 <Zakim> +Plh
16:02:42 <paulc> zakim, list 
16:02:42 <Zakim> I see UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM, W3C_(Identity)11:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, XML_XSLWG()12:00PM, HTML_WG()12:00PM, Priv_IG()12:00PM active
16:02:44 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are I18N_WG(MLW)11:00AM, SW_HCLS(TMO)11:00AM, SW_(PROV)11:00AM, Team_Offices(TRAIN)11:30AM
16:02:49 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
16:02:49 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:02:51 <Zakim> +Mike
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16:02:56 <paulc> zakim, list attendees
16:02:56 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been yang, Sam, hober, glenn, ddorwin, paulc, Plh, Mike
16:04:13 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
16:04:20 <eliot> zakim, microsoft.a has me
16:04:20 <Zakim> +eliot; got it
16:04:58 <paulc> zakim, list attendees
16:04:58 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been yang, Sam, hober, glenn, ddorwin, paulc, Plh, Mike, [Microsoft], eliot
16:05:26 <paulc> Good morning Sam
16:05:59 <hober> Topic: Action items due by Thursday, July 19
16:06:03 <hober> paulc: there are none
16:06:06 <hober> Topic: New Issues This Week
16:06:08 <hober> paulc: there are none
16:06:15 <hober> ... There is 1 tracker request
16:06:16 <hober> http://w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=TrackerRequest
16:06:18 <hober> Topic: Items Closed Last Week
16:06:20 <hober> paulc: there are none
16:06:24 <hober> Topic: Items Closing This Week
16:06:28 <hober> ISSUE-199?
16:06:28 <trackbot> ISSUE-199 -- Define complete processing requirements for ARIA attributes -- open
16:06:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199
16:06:42 <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0049.html
16:07:24 <hober> <discussion of problems with the w3c email archives>
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16:08:03 <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0092.html
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16:09:01 <Zakim> +??P26
16:09:05 <hober> CfC sent out 9 July; no replies
16:09:11 <janina> zakim, ??P26 is Janina
16:09:11 <Zakim> +Janina; got it
16:09:21 <rubys> +1
16:09:24 <hober> paulc: imminent close of ISSUE-199 accepting remaining CP
16:09:35 <hober> ISSUE-200?
16:09:35 <trackbot> ISSUE-200 -- Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in non-FIELDSET elements -- open
16:09:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200
16:09:47 <hober> Straw Poll for Objections closes Jul 19
16:09:49 <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0056.html
16:09:52 <yang> q+
16:10:14 <hober> paulc: I encourage WG members to reply to the survey if they have additional information to supply
16:10:30 <hober> yang: question about <legend> issue
16:10:42 <hober> yang: could we combine the <legend> and <caption> element into one?
16:11:01 <hober> paulc: survey only covers change proposals on the table
16:11:19 <hober> paulc: there was a lot of talk about this in the past; i recommend you review the history of the issue before filing a new bug
16:11:26 <paulc> ack yang
16:11:31 <hober> ISSUE-189?
16:11:31 <trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- open
16:11:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
16:11:39 <hober> Straw Poll for Objections closes today
16:11:55 <hober> paulc: received request to stop the poll (to wait for ietf); we declined
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16:12:13 <hober> ... going forward. if the ietf makes a decision we'll revisit at that time
16:12:24 <hober> ... survey closes today
16:12:32 <hober> Topic: Items Closing Next Week
16:12:41 <hober> ISSUE-203?
16:12:41 <trackbot> ISSUE-203 -- All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element -- open
16:12:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203
16:12:43 <hober> Call for Consensus extension closes Jul 27
16:12:47 <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0134.html
16:12:53 <hober> ISSUE-194?
16:12:53 <trackbot> ISSUE-194 -- Provide a mechanism for associating a full transcript with an audio or video element. -- open
16:12:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194
16:12:59 <hober> Straw Poll for Objections closes Jul 26
16:13:01 <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0070.html
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16:13:22 <hober> paulc: we negotiated an extension for the ISSUE-203 survey
16:13:23 <hober> Topic: New Calls this week
16:13:23 <hober> paulc: there are none
16:13:31 <hober> Topic: New Surveys this week
16:13:33 <hober> ISSUE-194?
16:13:33 <trackbot> ISSUE-194 -- Provide a mechanism for associating a full transcript with an audio or video element. -- open
16:13:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194
16:13:57 <hober> paulc: received a request from laura to suspend this poll so that issue-194 comes after issue-30
16:14:04 <paulc> Paul's response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0115.html
16:14:08 <hober> ... i respond this morning on behalf of the chairs
16:14:18 <hober> ... i have not yet processed laura's subsequent response
16:14:22 <Zakim> +Laura_Carlson
16:14:37 <hober> ... i will take up her question with my co-chairs
16:14:49 <rubys> I do  believe that the decision on 194 will not have an effect on 30
16:14:55 <paulc> Laura's response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0116.html
16:15:33 <hober> Topic: Decisions this week
16:15:36 <hober> ISSUE-184?
16:15:36 <trackbot> ISSUE-184 -- Add a data element -- closed
16:15:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184
16:15:41 <hober> WG Decision: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0095.html
16:16:01 <hober> paulc: chairs prioritized 184 because it was blocking 183
16:16:13 <hober> ... decision was to not include a type system for the <data> element
16:17:18 <paulc> CP endorsed:     http://www.w3.org/wiki/User:Tantekelik/data_element
16:17:34 <hober> paulc: this will go into the queue of edits to be made by the new editors
16:17:38 <hober> ISSUE-205?
16:17:38 <trackbot> ISSUE-205 -- Define what author guidance and/or methods should be provided to those that wish to create accessible text editors using canvas as a rendering surface. -- closed
16:17:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/205
16:17:44 <hober> WG Decision: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0101.html
16:18:15 <paulc> CP endorsed:  http://www.w3.org/wiki/No_edit_change_proposal_for_canvas_text_editing
16:18:19 <hober> paulc: the accepted proposal requires no changes to the spec
16:18:26 <hober> ... this will be closed out as well
16:18:32 <rubys> q+
16:18:38 <hober> paulc: questions?
16:18:47 <hober> rubys: 184 was a no-change proposal
16:18:51 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
16:18:53 <paulc> ack rubys
16:19:01 <hober> Topic: Other Business
16:19:07 <hober> ISSUE-131?
16:19:07 <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
16:19:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
16:19:15 <hober> paulc: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0102.html
16:19:37 <hober> paulc: asking rich & frank if they have any other changes they want to make for their CPs, given the 205 decision
16:19:52 <hober> frankolivier: i don't have any changes to my proposal
16:20:44 <hober> ISSUE-151?
16:20:44 <trackbot> ISSUE-151 -- Remove WhatWG and html5.org references in status section of document -- open
16:20:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/151
16:20:48 <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0091.html
16:21:13 <hober> paulc: doesn't require any action from the WG; the chairs will delay 151 until new editors are appointed & new charter finalized
16:21:25 <hober> ... about text in status section that refers to the whatwg
16:21:34 <hober> ... will take this up at the end of the next last call
16:21:43 <hober> ... if you have concerns, reply to message 0091
16:21:45 <hober> ISSUE-183?
16:21:45 <trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element -- open
16:21:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
16:21:57 <hober> paulc: was blocked by 184
16:22:21 <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0103.html and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0105.html
16:22:45 <hober> paulc: cameron is withdrawing his proposal
16:22:53 <hober> ... leaves just one proposal standing
16:23:06 <hober> ... we expect an immanent CfC on the remaining proposal for 183
16:23:14 <hober> ISSUE-201?
16:23:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- open
16:23:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
16:23:22 <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0092.html
16:23:37 <hober> paulc: asking for input from CP authors (rich, charles, ted, steve, frank)
16:23:49 <hober> ... asking for any further changes; some outstanding questions
16:24:09 <paulc> Rich's questions: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0040.html
16:24:27 <hober> paulc: discussed this this morning on the a11y tf call
16:24:36 <hober> ... trying to arrange a meeting next tuesday
16:24:49 <hober> ... frank and ted have been invited
16:25:21 <paulc> See request: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2012Jul/0013.html
16:25:28 <hober> ... chairs are trying to get all the cp proponents together
16:25:48 <hober> ... should the two proposals remain as-is, or can we find more consensus between them
16:26:01 <hober> ... use of lightweight objects is main remaining area of disagreement
16:26:08 <hober> ISSUE-203?
16:26:08 <trackbot> ISSUE-203 -- All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element -- open
16:26:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203
16:26:11 <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0093.html
16:26:25 <hober> paulc: asking ted if he'd finished making edits
16:26:37 <hober> ... answered positively
16:26:49 <hober> ... depends on the processing order of ISSUE-204, ISSUE-30, and ISSUE-203
16:27:04 <hober> ISSUE-204?
16:27:04 <trackbot> ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open
16:27:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
16:27:08 <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0089.html
16:27:26 <hober> paulc: chairs have identified the two remaining proposals
16:27:35 <hober> ... trying to determine if they're ready for survey
16:27:41 <hober> ... deadline today for feedback
16:28:10 <plh> q+ for a question on 201
16:28:29 <hober> hober: i'll reply to john's questions today
16:28:35 <janina> q+
16:29:00 <paulc> ack janina
16:29:31 <hober> janina: will ted be available later this afternoon
16:29:38 <hober> hober: earlier pdt is better
16:29:47 <hober> Topic: ISSUE-204, ISSUE-30 and ISSUE-203 processing order
16:29:49 <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0094.html
16:30:08 <hober> paulc: chairs believe there is a dependency order here
16:30:18 <hober> ... will move onto issue-30 once we finish issue-204
16:30:23 <hober> ... then on to 203
16:30:37 <hober> ... wg participants have been asking about timetable
16:30:47 <hober> ... like 184/183, and 205/131
16:31:08 <hober> ... the chairs, after making a decision, will try to determine if there is a cascading effect
16:31:24 <hober> ... will give CP authors an opportunity to update proposals based on decisions made
16:31:34 <hober> ... chairs will not lock down specific schedule
16:31:45 <hober> ... because of people's different workloads, schedules, etc.
16:32:03 <paulc> ack plh
16:32:03 <Zakim> plh, you wanted to discuss a question on 201
16:32:21 <Zakim> -ddorwin
16:32:23 <hober> plh: question for frank: was your proposal merged with ted's?
16:32:33 <hober> frankolivier: ted updated his proposal; i'm happy with that
16:33:03 <hober> paulc: please reply on-list; will see if we can find more common ground next week
16:33:18 <hober> Topic: Scribe for next week
16:33:28 <glenn> i can scribe
16:33:29 <hober> paulc: i'm chairing next week as well
16:33:38 <hober> plh: i can scribe
16:33:52 <hober> Topic: adjournment
16:33:58 <hober> paulc: we are adjourned
16:34:01 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
16:34:03 <Zakim> -Mike
16:34:04 <Zakim> -glenn
16:34:06 <Zakim> -[Apple]
16:34:07 <Zakim> -Janina
16:34:07 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.aa]
16:34:09 <Zakim> -Plh
16:34:09 <Zakim> -Sam
16:34:09 <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
16:34:11 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:34:12 <Zakim> -yang
16:34:14 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
16:34:16 <Zakim> Attendees were yang, Sam, hober, glenn, ddorwin, paulc, Plh, Mike, [Microsoft], eliot, Janina, Laura_Carlson
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