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15:00:11 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
15:00:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:00:20 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
15:00:20 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
15:00:21 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference
15:00:21 <trackbot> Date: 18 July 2012
15:00:29 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012Jul/0005.html
15:00:36 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
15:00:38 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
15:00:52 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
15:00:55 <aphillip> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
15:01:04 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:01:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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15:02:07 <aphillip> zakim, this is I18N
15:02:07 <Zakim> ok, aphillip; that matches I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM
15:02:22 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
15:02:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P1, Addison_Phillips, [Mozilla]
15:02:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see Norbert, RRSAgent, Zakim, aphillip, r12a, David, matial, andrewc, trackbot
15:02:24 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
15:02:24 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:02:26 <Zakim> +Richard
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15:02:36 <aphillip> zakim, ??P1 is andrewc
15:02:36 <Zakim> +andrewc; got it
15:02:39 <Zakim> +??P2
15:02:49 <matial> zakim, ??p2 is me
15:02:49 <Zakim> +matial; got it
15:03:06 <fantasai> zakim, who is here?
15:03:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see andrewc, Addison_Phillips, [Mozilla], Richard, matial
15:03:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see fantasai, Norbert, RRSAgent, Zakim, aphillip, r12a, David, matial, andrewc, trackbot
15:03:15 <fantasai> zakim, [Mozilla] has fantasai
15:03:15 <Zakim> +fantasai; got it
15:03:51 <Zakim> +Norbert
15:05:22 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda and Minutes
15:05:37 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:06:08 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:06:08 <Zakim> +dclarke
15:06:12 <aphillip> Ping Adil about status of bidi IRI examples/tests and any documentation or efforts in that direction
15:06:29 <aphillip> from adil: I have worked on some tests. I have some urgent things to fiinish this week but I should be able to get these to you Monday.
15:07:01 <aphillip> close ACTION-136
15:07:01 <trackbot> ACTION-136 Add CSS3 Flexbox comments to tracker and forward to CSS WG closed
15:07:34 <aphillip>  	Follow up on Web Notifications in three separate emails to separate threads, closing off localized fragments and direction and asking for resolution on language
15:07:39 <aphillip> close ACTION-138
15:07:39 <trackbot> ACTION-138 Follow up on Web Notifications in three separate emails to separate threads, closing off localized fragments and direction and asking for resolution on language closed
15:07:48 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:08:25 <aphillip> andrew: finially have sign off on a 2-year project on translations on-line with a view to creating guidelines
15:08:52 <aphillip> ... will be able to make translations available under our own terms
15:09:08 <aphillip> ... focus on less-used languages, languages difficult to deploy on web currently
15:09:30 <r12a> http://rishida.net/blog/?p=946
15:09:39 <aphillip> richard: put up a new build
15:09:43 <r12a> UnicodeData checker tool
15:09:45 <aphillip> ... UnicodeDataChecker tool
15:09:50 <aphillip> ... link is :
15:09:51 <r12a> http://rishida.net/tools/unicodedata/
15:10:20 <aphillip> richard: parses the UCD UnicodeData.txt file and lets you find the data easily
15:10:43 <aphillip> ... can also edit the file, can use for making proposals for new scirpts for example
15:10:57 <aphillip> s/scirpts/scripts/
15:11:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:11:59 <aphillip> richard: Geek Week. Working on updating our test results pages
15:12:31 <aphillip>  Topic: BOM recommendation in our QA document
15:13:15 <aphillip>    http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2012-m07/0249.html 
15:13:34 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-byte-order-mark
15:14:40 <aphillip> richard: wrestled with this myself and started writing a new version
15:14:58 <aphillip> ... there are circumstances where it can still cause problems
15:15:14 <aphillip> ... but thinking along these lines
15:17:01 <aphillip> ACTION: richard: update qa-byte-order-mark document targetting end-of-August for review
15:17:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-139 - Update qa-byte-order-mark document targetting end-of-August for review [on Richard Ishida - due 2012-07-25].
15:17:05 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-bom
15:19:34 <aphillip> richard: shouldn't mandate, but not tell people not to use it either
15:20:10 <aphillip> andrewc: doesn't matter if used or not in terms of browsers, just so long as developers are aware that libraries or tools may "chuck a fit" over the BOM
15:20:40 <aphillip> norbert: want to say "don't use it", but some tools do it behind your back
15:21:49 <r12a> zakim, who's making noise?
15:21:52 <aphillip>  Topic: CSS3 Writing-Mode
15:22:06 <Zakim> r12a, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: andrewc (39%), Addison_Phillips (18%)
15:22:08 <aphillip> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-writing-modes/
15:25:43 <aphillip> fantasai: UTR#50 timing doesn't match our document timeline, but CSS Wg doesn't want to publish a separate table
15:26:32 <aphillip> ... stuck on some controversial characters
15:27:45 <aphillip> ... if I18N thought an interim table were a good idea (dot dot dot)
15:28:17 <aphillip> norbert: why is it called "writing mode" instead of "writing direction"?
15:28:38 <aphillip> fantasai: historical reasons
15:30:22 <aphillip> ... need utr50 stabilization
15:30:40 <aphillip> ... need quote marks and tate-chu-yoko to be addressed (perhaps separate TCY?)
15:31:47 <aphillip> Topic: SRI vs. IRI
15:31:58 <aphillip> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-klensin-iri-sri-00
15:32:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:32:14 <matial> I did.
15:32:23 <David> I did
15:34:06 <aphillip> norbert: is this the thing we'd put on the side of the proverbial bus?
15:34:22 <aphillip> addison: don't see how this solves the problem?
15:34:24 <David> I don't see that it solves any problems
15:34:38 <matial> I don't like it either.
15:38:22 <aphillip> addison: propose we say (1) we think this is a bad idea, (2) don't know what this solves, and (3) we continue to support IRI and wish it were done
15:39:03 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: write to public-iri expressing support for IRI and a lack of support for SRI
15:39:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-140 - Write to public-iri expressing support for IRI and a lack of support for SRI [on Addison Phillips - due 2012-07-25].
15:39:22 <aphillip> Topic: ECMAScript globalization spec
15:39:34 <aphillip> http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=globalization:specification_drafts
15:40:03 <aphillip> Norbert: spec for extension to ES language specification
15:40:19 <aphillip> ... had poor I18N for a long time
15:40:21 <aphillip> ... didn't do much useful, so this introduces a few core bits
15:40:33 <aphillip> .. string compare (collation), number formatting, date/time formatting
15:40:55 <aphillip> ... most of spec is negotiating locales, how to handle Unicode locale extension to BCP 47
15:40:57 <aphillip> ... and so on
15:41:23 <aphillip> ... doesn't specify how, for example, how to do collation or how to localize number formats
15:41:31 <aphillip> ... implementations define these
15:41:45 <aphillip> Norbert: timeline is next week a TC39 review
15:42:08 <aphillip> ... final review in September (approve it)
15:42:22 <aphillip> ... and then to general assembly in December for approval
15:42:32 <aphillip> s/final review/final review by TC39/
15:43:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:46:43 <aphillip> Norbert: when passing in empty string as locale argument, it will be interpreted as empty array, so you get default locales and supported locales is an empty list
15:50:08 <r12a> zakim, mute andrew
15:50:08 <Zakim> andrewc should now be muted
15:58:13 <Zakim> -[Mozilla]
16:01:46 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
16:02:17 <Zakim> -andrewc
16:02:17 <matial> Bye
16:02:20 <Zakim> -Addison_Phillips
16:02:22 <Zakim> -dclarke
16:02:23 <Zakim> -Norbert
16:02:25 <Zakim> -matial
16:02:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:07:37 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Richard, in I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM
16:07:41 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended
16:07:44 <Zakim> Attendees were Addison_Phillips, Richard, andrewc, matial, fantasai, Norbert, dclarke
16:17:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:17:46 <aphillip> Regrets: Felix
16:18:26 <aphillip> RRSAgent: make minutes
16:18:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/18-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:18:32 <aphillip> zakim, bye
16:18:32 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
16:18:32 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/07/18-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:18:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: update qa-byte-order-mark document targetting end-of-August for review [1]
16:18:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/07/18-i18n-irc#T15-17-01
16:18:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: write to public-iri expressing support for IRI and a lack of support for SRI [2]
16:18:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/07/18-i18n-irc#T15-39-03
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