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15:53:21 zakim, this will be 9224
15:53:21 ok, Joshue108; I see WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM scheduled to start 23 minutes ago
15:53:29 rrsagent, make log world
15:53:47 Meeting: HTML Techniques Task Force
15:53:57 Chair: James Nurthen
15:54:11 Agenda +
15:54:11 * https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/techstfJuly92012/
15:58:03 WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM has now started
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15:58:18 zakim, [IPcaller] is Joshue
15:58:18 +Joshue; got it
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16:02:40 +James_Nurthen
16:02:48 +Jon_Gunderson
16:02:51 zakim, who is on the phone?
16:02:51 On the phone I see Joshue, James_Nurthen, Jon_Gunderson
16:05:38 +Marc_Johlic
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16:07:28 scribenick: Joshue
16:09:34 JonG: I am happy to go a technique, like a checkbox with mixed states.
16:09:47 JN: Which guideline is that?
16:09:55 JonG: Prob 4.1.2
16:10:54 JOC: Thats great.
16:11:05 zakim, take up item 1
16:11:05 agendum 1. "* https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/html-techs-28-June-2012/" taken up [from Joshue108]
16:11:21 The group goes thru the techniques.
16:12:06 JN: I think we need more simple generic techs, and then some more specific examples for widgets as needed.
16:12:40 JonG: Its fine if we point to full working examples.
16:12:50 JN: Do they need to be more detailed or is this ok?
16:13:04 JonG: Full techs can be complicated.
16:13:08 zakim, mute me
16:13:08 Joshue should now be muted
16:13:50 JonG: Are you going to replicate the authors guide?
16:13:52 Jn: No.
16:14:28 JN: We will try to focus them down, thats what Loretta has done.
16:15:19 JonG: One of the practical things is that people can use libraries, for eg in the techniques doc.
16:15:45 JN: But then they may not need to know the techniques then?
16:16:53 JonG: The techniques doc may want to cover some of the considerations, such as dynamic menus that have three approaches. The techniques doc should show advantage and disadvantages etc.
16:17:27 JonG: Some of the hotbutton issues for me are dynamic menus, hide/show panels and form controls for error feedeback.
16:17:39 JN: We have a place for that in WCAG etc.
16:18:52 JonG: The other issue is HTML5..
16:19:30 JN: Menus sound like 4.1 to me, a tech for menus if you could do one that would be great.
16:19:42 zakim, unmute me
16:19:42 Joshue should no longer be muted
16:21:39 JN: There may be more detailed examples for widget types where there are scope for confusion.
16:21:49 +1
16:23:05 JOC: I'd like to hear from Jon has to say about the different approaches to dynamic markup of content using ARIA.
16:23:18 JN: Lets get to that after discussing tech.
16:23:26 zakim, mute me
16:23:26 Joshue should now be muted
16:23:47 JonG: On my comment, maybe it is ok.
16:24:32 s/discssion/discussion
16:27:04
16:27:28 JonG: We could have a discussion on how ARIA could be used to make Sprites accessible?
16:27:53 JN: This could be a good CSS tech, how to do sprites in accessible manner?
16:28:09 s/manner?/manner
16:29:25 zakim, unmute me
16:29:25 Joshue should no longer be muted
16:34:10 ACTION, James to draft technique tech for where native controls are preferable to ARIA annotations
16:34:19 ACTION: James to draft technique tech for where native controls are preferable to ARIA annotations
16:34:37 s/tech/text
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16:39:05 ACTION: Josh to AT test Toolbar example in "Using a WAI-ARIA role to expose the role of a user interface component" tech
16:48:14 JN: Why does the example 'Example 1:A simple toolbar' reference a menubar?
16:49:13 JN: ANy other comments on example 2?
16:49:57 JOC: Example 2 is simple and clean, should be fine.
16:50:07 JonG tidies up Example 1.
16:50:51 JN: We need to log a bug on the Authoring practices doc.
16:51:52 -Jon_Gunderson
16:56:33 -James_Nurthen
16:56:35 -Marc_Johlic
16:56:35 WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM has ended
16:56:35 Attendees were Joshue, James_Nurthen, Jon_Gunderson, Marc_Johlic
16:56:41 rrsagent, make minutes
16:56:41 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/09-html-techs-tf-minutes.html Joshue108