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16:55:52 <JF> zakim, room for 6?
16:55:54 <Zakim> ok, JF; conference Team_(media)16:55Z scheduled with code 2119 (A11Y) for 60 minutes until 1755Z
16:58:22 <hober> hober has joined #media
16:58:35 <hober> good morning
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16:59:06 <hober> what's the zakim passcode to use?
16:59:12 <JF> a11y
16:59:18 <hober> cool
16:59:33 <silvia> zakim, code?
16:59:33 <Zakim> the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), silvia
16:59:35 <Zakim> Team_(media)16:55Z has now started
16:59:41 <Zakim> + +1.510.367.aaaa
16:59:51 <Zakim> +[Apple]
16:59:52 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
17:00:21 <Zakim> + +49.795.aabb
17:00:22 <hober> Zakim, Apple has me
17:00:22 <Zakim> +hober; got it
17:00:27 <JF> zakim, 1.510 is Eric
17:00:27 <Zakim> sorry, JF, I do not recognize a party named '1.510'
17:00:27 <silvia> zakim, aabb is me
17:00:28 <Zakim> +silvia; got it
17:00:37 <hober> Zakim, aaaa is eric_carlson
17:00:37 <Zakim> +eric_carlson; got it
17:00:44 <JF> zakim, aaaa is Eric
17:00:44 <Zakim> sorry, JF, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
17:00:54 <hober> Zakim, aabb is silvia
17:00:54 <Zakim> sorry, hober, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
17:01:11 <silvia> zakim, who is here?
17:01:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see eric_carlson, John_Foliot, [Apple], silvia
17:01:12 <Zakim> [Apple] has hober
17:01:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see eric_carlson, hober, RRSAgent, Zakim, JF, silvia
17:04:07 <JF> Q+
17:04:10 <JF> scribe: JF
17:04:30 <JF> Silvia is providing an over-view of her lastest CP
17:11:34 <eric_carlson> q+
17:12:54 <hober> ack JF
17:13:21 <Zakim> -eric_carlson
17:13:42 <Zakim> +eric_carlson
17:14:27 <silvia> we've removed the aria-describedby attributes in the examples because they are not key to the solution
17:15:07 <JF> ack eric
17:16:23 <silvia> q+
17:16:28 <hober> q+
17:18:32 <silvia> Eric's concerns:
17:18:44 <silvia> 1. why have a different approach for our two different use cases
17:18:49 <JF> EC: using the URL mechanism does not allow for linking to multiple transcripts - you can not associate other meta-data to it either
17:19:04 <silvia> 2. a single link does not allow to provide multiple transcripts
17:19:12 <JF> if the concern is the copy-paste loss, then the solution is to put the URL inside of the video element itself
17:19:41 <JF> this avoids the loss
17:19:47 <hober> ack silvia
17:19:48 <JF> ack silvia
17:22:05 <JF> SP: for multiple  transcripts - we could come up with a complex solution (similar to track) with menus etc.
17:22:33 <JF> but having a transcript is usually done on the same page as the video, so the switching there could be handled there
17:23:12 <JF> one link, and leave all the user/interface behavior to the author
17:23:14 <JF> Q+
17:23:54 <JF> ack hober
17:25:38 <silvia> q+
17:26:52 <silvia> hober: concern about UI possibilities with the URL approach in comparison to IDREFs approach
17:27:56 <eric_carlson> q+
17:28:09 <silvia> JF: I'm very concerned about a workable UI for blind users
17:28:13 <hober> ack JF
17:28:21 <JF> ack silvia
17:29:11 <JF> Silvia: having a difficult time parsing IDREFs for a menu
17:29:30 <JF> the thought would be easier to use the word "Transcrip" in the menu and then it woulod just be a link
17:29:54 <JF> then all we need is a browser-side translation of that word of i18n uses
17:30:08 <JF> as for multiple-languages and the complexity for non-sighted users
17:30:57 <JF> Hober: but if there is no meta-data then how do we know what language the transcript is in?
17:31:23 <JF> Silvia: I would expect the transcript would come up in the language of the main page
17:31:36 <JF> Q+
17:31:59 <JF> Hober: reluctant to simply show a URL in a context menu
17:32:04 <JF> without knowing the language
17:32:10 <JF> ack eric
17:32:36 <JF> EC: when we talk about the UI, it has nothing to do with the vision of the user - it is waht is presented to the end user
17:32:53 <JF> the UI to someone who cannot see is the description provided by the AT
17:33:26 <JF> to silvias point to try and parse the content of the element, I was suggesting just to use attributes there instead
17:34:38 <silvia> q+
17:35:07 <JF> ack JF
17:35:09 <eric_carlson> if an author takes the time to translate the dialog of a movie, why wouldn't they translate the trascript?
17:38:58 <silvia> q?
17:40:53 <silvia> Eric: put the list of present transcripts inside the video element to provide multiple transcript links
17:41:39 <silvia> q?
17:42:05 <JF> EC: there is a real vague indication in the spec about how/what video controls should ook like
17:42:08 <hober> ack silvia
17:42:18 <JF> s/ook/look/
17:45:53 <eric_carlson> q+
17:46:01 <JF> q+
17:46:16 <JF> ack eric
17:46:56 <silvia> q+
17:47:37 <silvia> Eric: if there is no way to tag the transcript with the language that it is provided in then it's not possible to switch to it in the browser
17:48:23 <silvia> q+
17:48:42 <silvia> ack JF
17:53:05 <JF> ack silvia
17:55:12 <JF> allows fopr absolute and relative urls with or without media fragments, allows for other metadata, is "native to include as a child element of video...
17:55:50 <eric_carlson> JF: except that an author may want to have a visible transcript link, and  <track> can not be made visible
17:56:11 <JF> <tracks> go into the contextual menu
18:03:22 <eric_carlson> multiple transcripts it not rare, silvia pointed out that is done today at YouTube and Ted at least
18:10:06 <Zakim> -[Apple]
18:10:07 <Zakim> -eric_carlson
18:10:08 <Zakim> -silvia
18:10:15 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
18:10:17 <Zakim> Team_(media)16:55Z has ended
18:10:17 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.510.367.aaaa, John_Foliot, +49.795.aabb, hober, silvia, eric_carlson
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18:12:42 <JF> rrsagent, make logs public
18:12:52 <JF> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:12:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/29-media-minutes.html JF
18:13:31 <JF> zakim, please part
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18:13:38 <JF> rrsagent, please part
18:13:38 <RRSAgent> I see no action items