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13:43:11 <Norm> zakim, this will be xproc
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14:01:07 <Zakim> +Jeroen
14:01:15 <Vojtech> zakim, jeroen is vojtech
14:01:17 <Norm> I'm on my way
14:01:33 <Zakim> +vojtech; got it
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14:03:40 <Norm> dailun
14:03:52 <Norm> zakim, passcode?
14:04:02 <Zakim> the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Norm
14:04:20 <Zakim> +Norm
14:04:21 <Norm> zakim, who's here?
14:04:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.805.560.aaaa, vojtech, +1.778.440.aabb, Norm
14:04:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vojtech, cornelia, Zakim, RRSAgent, Norm, Liam
14:04:46 <Norm> zakim, aaaa is cornelia
14:04:50 <Norm> zakim, aabb is murray
14:04:55 <Zakim> +cornelia; got it
14:05:00 <Zakim> +murray; got it
14:05:10 <Norm> Regrets: Jim, Mohamed
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14:05:30 <Norm> Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
14:05:30 <Norm> Date: 28 June 2012
14:05:30 <Norm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/06/28-agenda
14:05:30 <Norm> Meeting: 217
14:05:30 <Norm> Chair: Norm
14:05:32 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
14:05:34 <Norm> ScribeNick: Norm
14:05:36 <Norm> Topic: Accept this agenda?
14:05:38 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/06/28-agenda
14:05:43 <Norm> Accepted.
14:05:57 <Norm> Present: Vojtech, Cornelia, Norm, Murray
14:06:02 <Norm> Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
14:06:02 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2012/05/31-minutes
14:06:09 <Norm> Accepted.
14:06:14 <Norm> Topic: Next meeting: telcon, 12 July 2012 (skip 5 July)
14:06:35 <Norm> No regrets heard
14:06:48 <Norm> Topic: Review of open action items
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14:07:43 <Norm> No progress reported. Much wailing and tears reported.
14:08:00 <Norm> Topic: Review of V.next requirements and use cases
14:08:12 <Zakim> +Alex_Milows
14:08:19 <Norm> Present: Vojtech, Cornelia, Norm, Murray, Alex
14:09:21 <Norm> Norm: Anyone have any high-level thoughts on how to improve progess?
14:10:00 <Norm> Murray: We've got a holiday in the US next week, and folks preparing for Balisage in August...summer is slow.
14:10:04 <Norm> Cornelia: Yes, summer is slow.
14:10:58 <Norm> Norm: Should we take the month of July off?
14:11:27 <Norm> Cornelia: I think we should take a month off, because we're going to end up taking some time off anyway.
14:11:47 <Norm> Cornelia: I'm goign to read the req doc top-to-bottom, are there any other homework assignments we could be doing?
14:12:41 <Norm> Norm: Well, I've got some big proposals and we should all read the document.
14:14:02 <Norm> Proposal: We'll take July off to recharge our batteries. Next meeting: 16 August.
14:14:18 <Norm> Accepted.
14:14:55 <Norm> Norm: Take it away, Murray
14:15:39 <Norm> Murray: I pulled in a bunch of possible specs and now I think we should eliminate the ones we're really not going to do.
14:16:40 <Norm> Murray: So, XPointer and XLink can go.
14:16:45 <Norm> Murray: We can do MathML
14:16:50 <Norm> Norm: What would a MathML step do?
14:17:01 <Norm> Murray: Convert MathML to presentation or results.
14:17:09 <Norm> Alex: Converting MathML into an image for example.
14:18:05 <Norm> Murray: XForms? No.
14:18:30 <Norm> Murray: EXI would seem to be relevant. We might want to accept EXI as inputs.
14:19:26 <Norm> Norm: Yes, I think so.
14:20:30 <Norm> Murray: So I'm going to leave it in.
14:20:41 <Norm> Murray: I thought we might have some sort of special HTML processing step.
14:21:39 <Norm> Norm: I think we might want to leave HTML5 in there, because we're going to talk about HTML5 coming in on steps like p:http-request.
14:22:11 <Norm> Alex: There's definitely a difference between cleanup and parsing using the HTML5 rules.
14:22:34 <Norm> Norm: I think HTML5 should stay, I'd e inclined to pull the others but I don't feel strongly about it.
14:22:36 <Norm> Murray: I agree.
14:22:40 <Norm> Murray: Now, CSS.
14:23:21 <Norm> Norm: Seems like an edge case to me.
14:23:24 <Norm> Murray: Yep.
14:23:52 <Norm> Murray: Then I put in these common publishing formats. I had a chat about building a DITA step.
14:24:49 <Norm> Norm: Yeah, certainly for the office formats, I can imagine steps.
14:24:58 <Norm> ...I'm agnostic about leaving them.
14:25:10 <Norm> Murray: I thought it might be handy to have common interfaces to these document types.
14:25:41 <Norm> ...But we're building XProc so that others can build tools like these, so maybe we should just leave it out until the fullness.
14:25:48 <Norm> s/fullness/fullness of time/
14:26:00 <Norm> ...So I think we should take them out.
14:26:01 <Norm> Norm: Ok.
14:26:15 <Norm> Murray: Similarly, I think someone could develop a UBL step.
14:26:21 <Norm> Norm: And we don't have the experience to do it.
14:26:27 <Norm> Murray: So, out.
14:27:44 <Norm> Norm: We punted in V1.0 because signatures work over sequences of characters.
14:29:23 <Norm> Some discussion of digital signatures
14:29:29 <Norm> Alex: EPUB3 has digital signatures.
14:30:47 <Norm> Norm: I think we should leave digital signatures in the list, to remind us at least that we might want to reconsider signatures in V.next.
14:31:08 <Norm> ACTION: Alex to produce a use case with digital signatures in an EPU3 document.
14:32:06 <Norm> Murray: What about the semantic web? I think we could imagine steps that work with the semantic web.
14:32:19 <Norm> Alex: We could certainly have a step that extracted RDF from RDFa documents.
14:32:26 <Norm> Murray: As a core step?
14:32:39 <Norm> ACTION: Alex to produce a use case for semantic web steps.
14:32:59 <Norm> Murray: SMIL out?
14:33:05 <Norm> Yes.
14:33:24 <Norm> Murray: Mail in?
14:33:26 <Norm> Norm: Yes.
14:34:07 <Norm> Murray: Non-XML formats.
14:34:11 <Norm> ...CSV seems easy.
14:34:22 <Norm> ...JSON is obvious too, right.
14:34:44 <Norm> ...SGML?
14:34:50 <Norm> Norm: Goodness, how would you do that.
14:35:00 <Norm> s/that./that?/
14:35:12 <Norm> Alex: We'd have to add that to the places where there are inputs.
14:36:47 <Norm> Norm: I'd be inclined to limit this list to CSV and JSON.
14:37:21 <Norm> Murray: WebDAV?
14:38:14 <Norm> ...It's unlikely that you want WebDAV *in* XProc.
14:38:44 <Norm> Murray: The end of that list is a list of reference processors.
14:39:31 <Norm> Norm: I think libhtml5 should be added to the list.
14:42:06 <Norm> Murray: This document has grown, and there's a lot of good stuff, and ultimately we need to produce a R&UC document.
14:42:15 <Norm> ...A lot of what's in the back is useful material.
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14:42:57 <Norm> ...But if we're going to get a R&UC document out, we should separate some of it out.
14:43:27 <Norm> Murray: But maybe we should leave it in until 16 August.
14:44:01 <Norm> Norm: I'm ok with leaving it in until August.
14:44:01 <Zakim> +??P13
14:46:16 <Norm> Murray: I think we should have some OS steps and some of these other steps in F.
14:47:15 <Norm> Alex: I think there are a lots of levels of sorting here.
14:47:35 <Norm> Murray: But the OS/directory steps seem so fully specified, that we should just be able to include them.
14:50:41 <Norm> Some discussion of the steps.
14:50:48 <Norm> Norm: I think we might just publish them as a note.
14:51:30 <Norm> ACTION: Norm to draft notes for OS and directory steps
14:51:58 <Norm> Murray: I think that's the end of my list.
14:52:41 <Norm> Topic: Any other business?
14:53:00 <Norm> None heard.
14:53:14 <Zakim> -murray
14:53:15 <Norm> Adjourned.
14:53:19 <Zakim> -Alex_Milows
14:53:19 <Norm> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:53:33 <Zakim> -Norm
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