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14:55:25 <kaz> zakim, this will be webtv
14:55:25 <Zakim> ok, kaz; I see UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
14:55:45 <Juhani> Juhani has joined #webtv
14:56:27 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM has now started
14:56:34 <Zakim> +??P14
14:56:43 <Clarke> zakim, ??P14 is me
14:56:43 <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
14:58:32 <duncanr> duncanr has joined #webtv
14:58:51 <Zakim> +duncanr
14:59:06 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
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14:59:53 <Zakim> +markw
14:59:59 <Zakim> +??P17
15:00:03 <ddorwin> Zakim, [GVoice] is me
15:00:07 <Zakim> +ddorwin; got it
15:00:19 <Zakim> -??P17
15:00:30 <Zakim> +SethHodgson
15:00:49 <Zakim> +??P34
15:00:55 <nisc> zakim, ?PP34 is me
15:00:57 <Zakim> sorry, nisc, I do not recognize a party named '?PP34'
15:01:03 <nisc> zakim, ?P34 is me
15:01:05 <Zakim> + +358.942.72aaaa
15:01:07 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
15:01:10 <Zakim> sorry, nisc, I do not recognize a party named '?P34'
15:01:16 <nisc> zakim, ??P34 is me
15:01:17 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
15:01:19 <nisc> ffs.
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15:01:25 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
15:01:30 <Zakim> +nisc; got it
15:01:43 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
15:01:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Clarke, duncanr, ddorwin, markw, SethHodgson, nisc, +358.942.72aaaa, Kazuyuki
15:01:49 <Clarke> glenn, will you be able to scribe?
15:02:03 <Zakim> +??P33
15:02:18 <kaz> zakim, ??P33 is glenn
15:02:18 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
15:02:20 <glenn> zakim, ??p33 is me
15:02:20 <Zakim> I already had ??P33 as glenn, glenn
15:02:25 <glenn> ScribeNick: glenn
15:02:42 <glenn> Chair: clarke
15:02:54 <Clarke> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_28th_June_2012
15:02:54 <Juhani> yes
15:03:06 <kaz> zakim, aaaa is Juhani
15:03:07 <glenn> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/MPTF/Agenda_Telco_28th_June_2012
15:03:12 <johnsim> johnsim has joined #webtv
15:03:14 <Zakim> +Juhani; got it
15:03:32 <Zakim> +kstreeter
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15:03:56 <glenn> Topic: Bug Review
15:04:38 <Zakim> +Canon
15:04:49 <glenn> clarke: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13359
15:05:00 <glenn> ... please check out this bug activity
15:05:07 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:05:14 <glenn> Topic: Requirements Document
15:05:59 <kaz> zakim, Canon is Franck?
15:05:59 <Zakim> +Franck?; got it
15:06:28 <kaz> zakim, Microsoft is johnsim?
15:06:28 <Zakim> +johnsim?; got it
15:06:50 <ddorwin> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2012Jun/0011.html
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15:07:31 <ddorwin> s/http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2012Jun/0012.html/adaptive bit rate: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2012Jun/0012.html
15:08:30 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
15:08:37 <kaz> zakim, who is noisy?
15:08:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:08:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/28-webtv-minutes.html kaz
15:08:47 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Franck? (14%)
15:08:50 <glenn> juhani: comments around terminology
15:08:58 <glenn> ... not new reqs or use cases
15:09:25 <glenn> ... should we keep terms not used in doc?
15:09:29 <kaz> Present: Clarke, duncanr, ddorwin, markw, SethHodgson, nisc, Juhani, Kazuyuki, glenn, kstreeter, Franck, johnsim
15:09:37 <glenn> clarke: agrees no need to retain unused defs
15:10:04 <glenn> juhani: e.g., programme, media track, etc.
15:10:53 <glenn> ... some of these unused defs are questionable
15:12:27 <glenn> juhani: suggests new pan-definition for 'adaptive bit rate {streaming, content, media}'
15:12:50 <glenn> ... should have single def using consistent head term 'adaptive bit rate'
15:13:08 <kaz> i|juhani: comments around terminology|-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2012Jun/0011.html Juhani's comments on adaptive bit rate requirements|
15:14:21 <glenn> juhani: suggests defs for 'no abr method preference' and 'open source browsers'
15:14:53 <glenn> clarke: agrees, will review and implement
15:15:35 <glenn> action clarke to review and implement changes to terminology related to ABR in reqs document
15:15:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-99 - Review and implement changes to terminology related to ABR in reqs document [on Clarke Stevens - due 2012-07-05].
15:15:48 <ddorwin> content protection comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2012Jun/0012.html
15:16:35 <glenn> juhani: further comments about terminology in CP reqs document
15:17:04 <kaz> zakim, mute me
15:17:04 <Zakim> Kazuyuki should now be muted
15:17:13 <glenn> ... in particular, confusion about distinction between 'content protection {method,system,solution}'
15:17:28 <glenn> ... proposes to use either/or formulation
15:18:47 <kaz> zakim, who is speaking?
15:18:55 <ddorwin> ddorwin
15:18:57 <Zakim> kaz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ddorwin (18%), Clarke (9%), Franck? (25%)
15:19:02 <glenn> ddorwin: 4.1.4 says system but should be solution...
15:19:21 <glenn> clarke: don't need to make reqs on implementations, do we?
15:19:54 <glenn> ddorwin: 'system' is misleading w.r.t. applicability to implementation or spec
15:20:08 <ddorwin> 4.1.10: This sounds like a container requirement, which I don't think is necessary.
15:20:08 <glenn> ddorwin: 4.1.10 sounds like a container req
15:20:18 <kaz> zakim, mute franck
15:20:18 <Zakim> Franck? should now be muted
15:20:37 <ddorwin> 4.1.11: Is "determine from the media stream" correct? Again, this is also a requirement on containers. FYI, I don't think ISO CENC does this.
15:20:51 <ddorwin> 4.1.12: " determine from the media stream" doesn't make sense for errors.
15:20:59 <ddorwin> 4.1.13: Media Source is not an "element".
15:21:05 <ddorwin> 4.2.1: What does "provision of tools" mean?
15:21:20 <ddorwin> some are nits
15:21:29 <glenn> ddorwin: what does 'provision of tools' mean?
15:21:51 <kaz> i|ddorwin: 4.1.4 says|-> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webtv/raw-file/tip/mpreq/MPTF-CP-Requirements.html Requirements for Content Protection|
15:22:30 <glenn> clarke: thinking it means 'the specification provides tools/features...'
15:22:43 <glenn> s/clarke/ddorwin/
15:24:53 <glenn> clarke: 'revision of tools' probably should use different word than 'tools'; suggestions welcome
15:25:03 <glenn> s/revision/provision/
15:25:21 <glenn> clarke: please send comments
15:25:34 <Zakim> -markw
15:25:52 <Zakim> +markw
15:26:10 <glenn> clarke: believes the TF is near end of life; should transfer responsibility to ...
15:26:34 <glenn> clarke: suggests skipping meeting next week (5th) due to US holidays
15:27:02 <glenn> ... suggests final review of comments, then either shut down TF or go dormant
15:27:20 <glenn> ACTION clarke to send feedback on these review comments
15:27:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-100 - Send feedback on these review comments [on Clarke Stevens - due 2012-07-05].
15:27:32 <glenn> Topic: Adjournment
15:27:35 <glenn> adjourned
15:27:36 <Zakim> -kstreeter
15:27:38 <Zakim> -Juhani
15:27:39 <Zakim> -ddorwin
15:27:39 <Zakim> -Clarke
15:27:40 <Zakim> -SethHodgson
15:27:40 <Zakim> -Franck?
15:27:41 <Zakim> -duncanr
15:27:46 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
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15:27:58 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:27:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/28-webtv-minutes.html kaz
15:27:59 <Zakim> -johnsim?
15:28:04 <glenn> kaz, could you send minutes to group pls
15:28:22 <kstreeter> kstreeter has left #webtv
15:28:24 <kaz> Meeting: Media Pipeline Task Force Teleconference
15:28:28 <glenn> tnx
15:28:31 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:28:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/28-webtv-minutes.html kaz
15:28:52 <glenn> i'll let you shutdown trackbot 'end meeting' when you are ready
15:29:08 <kaz> ok
15:29:13 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
15:29:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see nisc, glenn, markw
15:29:14 <glenn> cya
15:29:19 <Zakim> -glenn
15:29:21 <Zakim> -markw
15:29:41 <nisc> Hm.
15:30:33 <kaz> rrsagent, stop