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15:00:19 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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15:00:23 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
15:00:23 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
15:00:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference
15:00:24 <trackbot> Date: 27 June 2012
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15:00:37 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012Jun/0009.html
15:00:48 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
15:00:48 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:00:49 <Zakim> +Richard
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15:04:29 <aphillip> Regrets: Felic, Mati
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15:05:01 <aphillip>  Topic: Agenda and Minutes
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15:05:40 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:07:01 <aphillip> close ACTION-126
15:07:01 <trackbot> ACTION-126 Contact Ian H. about feasibility of adding attributes for bidi isolation closed
15:07:20 <aphillip> (AND ALL GROUP MEMBERS) study additional bidi controls proposal and express support or lack of support for it at Unicode
15:07:58 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
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15:08:28 <aphillip> koji: UTR#50 and writing mode
15:08:35 <aphillip> ... preparing data files which is a snapshot of utr50
15:08:40 <koji> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-writing-modes/#vertical-orientations
15:08:41 <aphillip> ... now in ed
15:08:46 <David> zakim, mute me
15:08:46 <Zakim> sorry, David, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:08:58 <aphillip> zakim, mute dclarke
15:08:58 <Zakim> dclarke should now be muted
15:09:13 <aphillip> ... will have 1 or 2 more WD before last call
15:09:19 <aphillip> ... please provide feedback
15:09:40 <aphillip> koji: attended subgroup of UTC
15:09:48 <aphillip> ... two telecons
15:09:59 <aphillip> ... told them about things we expected
15:10:06 <aphillip> ... which should go in next draft
15:10:16 <aphillip> ... but publishers need something now that is stable
15:11:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:13:31 <aphillip> koji: very helpful if someone can check out the datafiles in draft, especially for CJK important code points
15:13:44 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/2012/06/mlw/public/mlw-project-final-report.pdf
15:13:53 <aphillip> richard: link to final report on MLWeb project
15:14:04 <aphillip> ... finished at end of March
15:14:11 <aphillip> ... but final review was last friday
15:14:25 <aphillip> ... reached "exceeded expectatoins" score
15:14:35 <aphillip> ... which is highest
15:14:52 <aphillip> ... will continue workshops in ML Web LT project
15:15:03 <aphillip> ... which ends in 2014
15:15:12 <aphillip> ... need to look at funding models
15:15:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:15:40 <aphillip> Topic: Web Notifications
15:15:51 <aphillip> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/notifications/raw-file/tip/Overview.html
15:16:46 <aphillip> Norbert: raised issue 161
15:16:54 <aphillip> ... no way to specify the language
15:17:34 <aphillip> ... safe to say what the language is?
15:17:40 <aphillip> ... does the User Agent know?
15:18:05 <Zakim> -andrewc
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15:19:23 <aphillip> norbert: possibility of multiple items, each tagged with a language
15:19:29 <aphillip> ... so the user agent can select
15:19:38 <aphillip> ... which one to display
15:19:52 <andrewc> zakim, +??P7 is andrewc
15:19:52 <Zakim> sorry, andrewc, I do not recognize a party named '+??P7'
15:20:16 <aphillip> 1. The presence of 'direction' each attribute (title, body) is nice to see, but it would be good if there were also a "lang" attribute for each. Content language is used to influence the display of Notifications (line wrapping, font selection, etc.). The language attribute should be a String containing a BCP 47 language tag.
15:20:21 <andrewc> zakim, ??P7 is andrewc
15:20:21 <Zakim> +andrewc; got it
15:20:30 <aphillip>  2. (Section 5). It's a little odd that title is converted to Unicode before setting the direction, while body has its direction set first. Can those be made consistent?
15:20:56 <aphillip> 3. (Section 6). The Unicode Bidrectional Algorithm should be referenced directly here. As written, it's hard to understand unless one is already familiar with the concepts. Rules from UAX#9 are referenced by name here, so there should be an explicit reference to it. Note that such a reference is included in the references section already.
15:22:35 <aphillip> appears to be there now
15:23:04 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-notifications-20110301/
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15:23:40 <aphillip> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/notifications/shortlog
15:24:39 <aphillip> 4. (Section 7.2). Should normalization play a role in comparing 'tag' values?
15:25:29 <aphillip> think we are coming to conclusion that answer is 'no'
15:26:36 <aphillip> chair: any opposed to sending to WD
15:26:42 <aphillip> s/to WD/to WG/
15:27:03 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: send Web Notifications comments
15:27:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-134 - Send Web Notifications comments [on Addison Phillips - due 2012-07-04].
15:27:17 <aphillip> Topic: Ruby Document
15:27:23 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/ruby/editme.html
15:27:27 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/docs/ruby/editme.html
15:28:03 <aphillip> richard: not a finished item, but question is: "can I publish a new public WD"
15:28:18 <aphillip> koji: think it's good to go public
15:28:39 <aphillip> richard: add something about double-<rt>?
15:28:50 <aphillip> koji: not sure if current spec and read this way
15:28:59 <aphillip> s/spec and/spec can/
15:29:25 <aphillip> Norbert: when reading...
15:29:38 <aphillip> ... elements not defined, e.g. <rp> I *think* means parens, etc.
15:30:02 <aphillip> richard: don't hvae a link to HTML5 sections that describe ruby, etc.
15:31:08 <aphillip> ... document assumes some familiarity with Ruby and HTML5 ruby
15:31:09 <aphillip> ... and add links/refs
15:31:55 <aphillip> Norbert: not aware that CSS and HTML can generate DOM elements when parsing
15:32:01 <aphillip> ...anonymous boxes
15:32:42 <aphillip> richard: starting to develop an opinion... maybe not change HTML5
15:32:46 <aphillip> ... but might change how markup behaves
15:33:03 <aphillip> ... might not need <rb> as long as can get anonymous box
15:33:51 <aphillip> norbert: multiple <rb> followed by multiple <rt>?
15:33:55 <aphillip> richard: requires singificant reengineering?
15:34:07 <aphillip> ... can do nested ruby now
15:34:13 <aphillip> .. and almost sort of works
15:34:37 <aphillip> Norbert: no model where can get a "yes" everywhere in table in doc
15:38:02 <aphillip> koji: fantasai and I think jukugo is a style rather than markup issue
15:38:21 <aphillip> ... haven't got time right now to work on ruby styling just now
15:38:32 <aphillip> ... but document describes issues and shows possible approaches
15:39:51 <aphillip> norbert: might be good to have preferred direction mentioned somewhere, if there is one?
15:41:31 <aphillip> richard: want to be neutral now? 
15:42:49 <aphillip> chair: who supports publishing as a FPWD?
15:42:51 <DClarke> +1
15:43:03 <aphillip> koji: yes
15:43:05 <aphillip> andrew: yes
15:43:08 <r12a> yes
15:43:11 <aphillip> addison: yes
15:43:12 <aphillip> norbert: yes
15:43:35 <aphillip> ACTION: richard: publish ruby approaches document as First Public Working Draft and announce
15:43:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-135 - Publish ruby approaches document as First Public Working Draft and announce [on Richard Ishida - due 2012-07-04].
15:44:11 <aphillip> richard: will change target of comments from public-i18n-core to www-international
15:44:42 <aphillip>  Topic: TPAC 2012
15:45:04 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012Jun/0008.html
15:45:36 <aphillip> koji: will be there, try not to conflict with CSS
15:45:38 <aphillip> >   Lyon, France >   http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/
15:46:07 <aphillip> norbert: currently we are scheduled Th/Fr and CSS is Mo/Tu
15:46:27 <aphillip> Norbert: maybe
15:46:42 <aphillip> addison: maybe
15:46:43 <DClarke> I may be able to, but I'll have to decide closer to the time
15:47:35 <r12a> i'll be there
15:47:37 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:50:06 <Zakim> -dclarke
15:51:07 <aphillip> next week: CSS3 Writing Mode
15:51:39 <aphillip> Flex Box?
15:51:51 <aphillip> also Flex Box
15:52:41 <aphillip> richard: charter went to W3M review today
15:52:52 <aphillip> ... should hear in about 2 weeks
15:53:10 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_history
15:53:11 <aphillip> richard: look at discussion items list
15:53:29 <aphillip> ... review items
15:54:28 <aphillip> norbert: 49 open items in the HTML-prep
15:54:38 <Zakim> -koji
15:54:39 <Zakim> -aphillip
15:54:41 <Zakim> -Norbert
15:54:49 <Zakim> -andrewc
15:54:57 <r12a> addison, was there something we needed to talk about?
15:55:04 <r12a> do you want to rejoin the call
15:55:08 <r12a> i'm still on
15:55:19 <aphillip> yep
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16:02:52 <r12a> zakim, drop richard
16:02:52 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
16:02:53 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended
16:02:53 <Zakim> Attendees were Richard, +44.141.888.aaaa, aphillip, dclarke, andrewc, Norbert, koji
16:03:02 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:03:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:03:14 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
16:03:17 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
16:03:21 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
16:03:35 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:03:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/27-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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