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16:08:51 <jamesn> zakim, this is HTML-TECHS-TF
16:08:51 <Zakim> sorry, jamesn, I do not see a conference named 'HTML-TECHS-TF' in progress or scheduled at this time
16:09:32 <jamesn> zakim, this is 9224
16:09:32 <Zakim> ok, jamesn; that matches WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM
16:09:51 <jamesn> zakim, who is on the call?
16:09:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see James_Nurthen, Detlev, Marc_Johlic, ??P4
16:10:08 <jamesn> zakim, ??P4 is Adam
16:10:08 <Zakim> +Adam; got it
16:10:56 <jamesn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/htmltfJun182012/results
16:11:14 <marcjohlic> scribe: marcjohlic
16:11:47 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  ARIA technique: Using aria-label
16:12:43 <marcjohlic> LG does not think the examples qualify as non-text content
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16:13:18 <marcjohlic> David may not be able to continue updating these - do we want to find someone else to finish these up?
16:13:32 <marcjohlic> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA
16:14:10 <Zakim> +??P21
16:14:27 <marcjohlic> David tied up with the ICT work
16:14:28 <Joshue108> zakim, ??P21 is Joshue
16:14:29 <Zakim> +Joshue; got it
16:14:52 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
16:14:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/25-html-techs-tf-minutes.html jamesn
16:16:38 <jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-label
16:17:10 <marcjohlic> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/aria.html
16:18:21 <Joshue108> Maybe we do need ARIA techs for CAPTHAS and other use cases.
16:18:44 <marcjohlic> http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/text-equiv-all.html#textdef
16:20:02 <Joshue108> We are expanding the examples that we have, Detlev has worked on some, also Leonie Watson has created some new aria-labelled technqiues.
16:20:30 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
16:20:30 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:21:22 <marcjohlic> DF:  Why would anyone want to use aria-label / describedby vs just using @alt ?   We should document cases where using ARIA is advantageous
16:21:31 <Joshue108> +q
16:22:07 <Joshue108> ack me
16:23:19 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Granular approach where we can outline x,y,z for each SC - or we can create more general techniques
16:28:12 <marcjohlic> DF:  In general as a developer it's can be helpful to see specific techniques for a particular use case
16:29:50 <marcjohlic> JN:  The aria-label techniques are too general right now - not as useful to developers
16:30:10 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Agree - we need clearer / more specific examples
16:32:58 <marcjohlic> JN:  Are we in agreement that these 3 techniques need some re-work
16:33:46 <marcjohlic> aria-label, aria-describedby, aria-labeledby
16:34:12 <Joshue108> Great stuff James.
16:34:14 <marcjohlic> JN:  I will take on situations A, B, & C of 1.1.1 for the 3 techniques
16:35:18 <marcjohlic> JN:  ARIA1 takes care of aria-describedby for Situation C of 1.1.1
16:36:25 <marcjohlic> JN:  Is there a need to review the rest of the techniques today?
16:36:39 <marcjohlic> JOC:  No objection to not reviewing - JN will look over feedback
16:37:32 <marcjohlic> MJ:  Are we fixing small typos that we find as we are reviewing (a vs an)
16:37:53 <marcjohlic> JOC / JN:   yes - let the author know
16:38:41 <Zakim> -Adam
16:38:50 <jamesn> zakim, who is on the call?
16:38:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see James_Nurthen, Detlev, Marc_Johlic, Joshue
16:39:05 <adam> got cut off temporarily
16:39:09 <Joshue108> np
16:39:22 <Joshue108> We are going to talk about activedescendent..
16:39:27 <Joshue108> Can you call back in?
16:40:21 <Zakim> +??P4
16:40:32 <jamesn> zakim ??P4 is Adam
16:40:48 <jamesn> zakim, ??P4 is Adam
16:40:48 <Zakim> +Adam; got it
16:41:41 <adam> im hearing half of what is being said
16:42:06 <marcjohlic> RESOLUTION:  JN will review the 3 techniques that David started and update them with more specific examples and use cases
16:42:31 <marcjohlic> TOPIC:  activedescendent
16:42:53 <Zakim> -Adam
16:43:12 <Zakim> +??P4
16:43:36 <marcjohlic> zakim, ??P4 is Adam
16:43:36 <Zakim> +Adam; got it
16:44:06 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
16:44:06 <Zakim> Joshue should now be muted
16:44:12 <Detlev> zakim, mute me
16:44:12 <Zakim> Detlev should now be muted
16:44:18 <jamesn> adam - go
16:44:24 <Zakim> -Adam
16:44:34 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
16:44:34 <Zakim> Joshue should no longer be muted
16:44:35 <Detlev> ack me
16:44:53 <marcjohlic> JOC:  Adam is having connection issues - we'll wrap up today and revisit this topic next week
16:45:02 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
16:45:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/25-html-techs-tf-minutes.html jamesn
16:45:11 <Zakim> +??P4
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16:45:55 <jamesn> rrsagent, make log world
16:46:03 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
16:46:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/25-html-techs-tf-minutes.html jamesn
16:46:20 <Zakim> -Joshue
16:46:22 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
16:46:23 <Zakim> -Detlev
16:46:24 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
16:46:25 <Zakim> WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM has ended
16:46:25 <Zakim> Attendees were James_Nurthen, Detlev, Marc_Johlic, Adam, Joshue
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16:47:18 <Zakim> WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM has now started
16:47:24 <Zakim> +??P3
16:48:00 <adam> is anyone on the call?
16:48:54 <Zakim> -??P3
16:48:55 <Zakim> WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM has ended
16:48:55 <Zakim> Attendees were 
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