IRC log of wai-wcag on 2012-06-21

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Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 21 June 2012
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Zakim, Oracle is Peter_Korn
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+Peter_Korn; got it
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+??P2
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zakim, ??P2 is Gregg_Vanderheiden
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+Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
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zakim, ??P6 is Adam_Solomon
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+Adam_Solomon; got it
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regrets: Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Moe_Kraft, Kathleen_Wahlbin
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zakim, aaaa is Robin_Tuttle
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+Robin_Tuttle; got it
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+[Microsoft]
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zakim, Microsoft is Cherie_Eckholm
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+Cherie_Eckholm; got it
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zakim, Microsoft is Alex_Li
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+Alex_Li; got it
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zakim, aabb is Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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+Andrew_Kirkpatrick; got it
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scribeNick: jamesn
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+Andrew_Kirkpatrick.a
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-Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAG2ICT2/
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TOPIC: 1. SC 1.3.3 in Understanding WCAG 2.0
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WCAG was designed to apply only to controls that were displayed on a web page. The intent was to avoid describing controls solely via references to visual or auditory cues. When applying this to instructions for operating physical hardware controls (e.g. a web kiosk with dedicated content), tactile cues on the hardware might be described (e.g. the arrow shaped key, the round key on the right side). This success criterion is not intended to
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prevent the use of tactile cues in instructions.
20:15:52 [greggvanderheiden]
Add the following to the intent of SC 1.3.3 in Understanding WCAG: WCAG was designed to apply only to controls that were displayed on a web page. The intent was to avoid describing controls solely via references to visual or auditory cues. When applying this to instructions for operating physical hardware controls (e.g. a web kiosk with dedicated content), tactile cues on the hardware might be described (e.g. the arrow shaped key, the
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round key on the right side). This success criterion is not intended to prevent the use of tactile cues in instructions.
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RESOLUTION: Add the text above to SC1.3.3 in Understanding WCAG2
20:16:38 [greggvanderheiden]
Add the following note to the INTENT section of SC 2.4.6. Note: This success criterion does not REQUIRE heading and labels, just that, if they are provided, they be descriptive. Also note that, if headings are provided, they must be programmatically determinable per 1.3.1.
20:16:49 [jamesn]
TOPIC: SC 2.4.6 in Understanding WCAG 2.0
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RESOLUTION: Add Note to 2.4.6 Understanding doc - "Note: This success criterion does not REQUIRE heading and labels, just that, if they are provided, they be descriptive. Also note that, if headings are provided, they must be programmatically determinable per 1.3.1."
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TOPIC: SC 3.2.1 and 3.2.2 in Understanding WCAG 2.0
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-Robin_Tuttle
20:34:47 [greggvanderheiden]
The following sentence be added to the INTENT section of SC 3.2.1
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Note: What is meant by 'component' here is also sometimes called 'user interface element' or 'user interface component'. -- And -- the following sentence be added to the INTENT section of SC 3.2.2. Note: What is meant by 'component' and 'user interface component' here is also sometimes called 'user interface element'.
20:35:16 [greggvanderheiden]
The following sentence be added to the INTENT section of SC 3.2.1 Note: What is meant by 'component' here is also sometimes called 'user interface element' or 'user interface component'. -- And -- the following sentence be added to the INTENT section of SC 3.2.2. Note: What is meant by 'component' and 'user interface component' here is also sometimes called 'user interface element'.
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RESOLUTION: The following sentence be added to the INTENT section of SC 3.2.1 Note: What is meant by 'component' here is also sometimes called 'user interface element' or 'user interface component'. -- And -- the following sentence be added to the INTENT section of SC 3.2.2. Note: What is meant by 'component' and 'user interface component' here is also sometimes called 'user interface element'.
20:35:55 [greggvanderheiden]
That the erratum for WCAG 2.0 reflect that in SC 3.2.1 the word component should be changed to “user interface component” and the following note added to the definition: Note: What is meant by 'component' or 'user interface component' here is also sometimes called 'user interface element'.
20:36:33 [jamesn]
RESOLUTION: That the erratum for WCAG 2.0 reflect that in SC 3.2.1 the word component should be changed to user interface component and the following note added to the definition: Note: What is meant by 'component' or 'user interface component' here is also sometimes called 'user interface element'.
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TOPIC: SC 3.2.4 in Understanding WCAG 2.0
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q+
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-> http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/errata/ WCAG 2.0 Errata
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-Cooper
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+Cooper
20:48:20 [greggvanderheiden]
Add to errata “fix the link for “set of web pages” in SC 3..2.4 to point to the “set of web pages” definition instead of “Web Pages” and add to INTENT – “Note: the link above to Web pages should have been a link to “set of web pages”.
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q-
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RESOLUTION: Add to errata fix the link for set of web pages in SC 3.2.4 to point to the set of web pages definition instead of Web Pages and add to INTENT Note: the link above to Web pages should have been a link to set of web pages.
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a b
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ack b
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TOPIC: SC 3.3.2 in Understanding WCAG 2.0
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q+
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q-
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q+
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-Andrew_Kirkpatrick.a
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-Bruce_Bailey
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+Bruce_Bailey
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Note: if labels are provided, the label relationship to the object labeled must be programmatically determined or described in text per SC 1.3.1.
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queue
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queue
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q?
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ack k
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-Bruce_Bailey
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-Adam_Solomon
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RESOLUTION: Add note to 3.3.2 of " Note: if labels are provided, the label relationship to the object labeled must be programmatically determined or described in text per SC 1.3.1."
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+Bruce_Bailey
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TOPIC: 4.1.1 i nUnderstanding WCAG 2.0
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q+
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q+
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q+
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ack David
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ack k
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-Peter_Korn
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q+
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-Bruce_Bailey
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+Bruce_Bailey
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q+
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-Bruce_Bailey
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+Bruce_Bailey
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ack me
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ack a
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ack b
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ack b
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-James_Nurthen
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If authors do not write or edit markup languages directly they can assume this provision is met.
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scribe:David
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resolution: the WCAG group does not accept the following note: If authors do not write or edit markup languages directly they can assume this provision is met.
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s/resolution/Resolution
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s/Resolution/RESOLUTION:
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This is not meant to apply to markup languages that are not parsed by general purpose web browsers and assistive technologies.
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RESOLUTION: The working group agrees with the sentiment but cannot find the right wording so returns it... for more consideration. "This is not meant to apply to markup languages that are not parsed by general purpose web browsers and assistive technologies."
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https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20120621_PF-UA/results
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-Alex_Li
21:46:50 [greggvanderheiden]
NOTE: With the exception of one success criterion (1.4.4 - that specifically mentions that the effect specified by the success criterion must be achieved without relying on an assistive technology) authors can meet the success criteria with content that assumes use of an assistive technology (or access features in use agents) by the user, where such assistive technologies (or access features in user agents) exist and are available to the
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user.
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-Cherie_Eckholm
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-Cooper
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-Andi_Snow_Weaver
21:52:44 [David]
RESOLUTION: add the note... NOTE: With the exception of one success criterion (1.4.4 - that specifically mentions that the effect specified by the success criterion must be achieved without relying on an assistive technology) authors can meet the success criteria with content that assumes use of an assistive technology (or access features in use agents) by the user, where such assistive...
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...technologies (or access features in user agents) exist and are available to the user.
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-Bruce_Bailey
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-Marc_Johlic
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-Gregg_Vanderheiden
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Bruce_Bailey, Cooper, Peter_Korn, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Marc_Johlic, David_MacDonald, Adam_Solomon, James_Nurthen,
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rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/21-wai-wcag-minutes.html David
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chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/21-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC_
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I see no action items
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zakim, bye