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14:50:08 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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14:50:12 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:50:12 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
14:50:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference
14:50:13 <trackbot> Date: 20 June 2012
14:50:44 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012Jun/0004.html
14:50:44 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:50:46 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
14:50:59 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:50:59 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:50:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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15:01:43 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
15:01:52 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
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15:05:07 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda and Minutes
15:05:30 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:06:48 <aphillip> (AND ALL GROUP MEMBERS) study additional bidi controls proposal and express support or lack of support for it at Unicode
15:06:57 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:07:52 <aphillip> close ACTION-128
15:07:52 <trackbot> ACTION-128 Add member@ and bidi/cjk lists to tracker tracked lists closed
15:08:09 <aphillip> close ACTION-131
15:08:09 <trackbot> ACTION-131 Update the Activity about page etc to describe the adjusted use of the mailing lists and add information about tracker closed
15:08:21 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:08:46 <aphillip> richard: has some info
15:09:02 <aphillip> ... was at ML-Web LT workshop
15:09:09 <aphillip> ... talked about linked ml data
15:09:16 <aphillip> ... talked about additions to ITS v2
15:09:28 <r12a> Labra Gayo, José Emilio - Best Practices for Multilingual Linked Open Data - PDF
15:09:30 <aphillip> ... and those will be pursued by that wg
15:09:42 <aphillip> ... the above talk
15:09:50 <r12a> temporary link: http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/File:LABRA-JOSE-2012-06-11.pdf
15:09:51 <aphillip> ... (temporary link to follow)
15:10:22 <aphillip> ... basically an attempt to describe best practices for working with multilingual open data
15:10:42 <aphillip> ... proposed to make into best practices document on our site
15:10:53 <aphillip> ... some unanswered questions
15:11:34 <aphillip> ... to publish as WG Note techniques document
15:11:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:12:15 <aphillip> matial: draw attention to PRI issue 341
15:12:28 <aphillip> ... matching parentheses addendum to UBA
15:12:34 <aphillip> ... seeking advice
15:12:56 <aphillip> ... I have some comments
15:13:01 <Norbert> http://www.unicode.org/review/pri231/
15:13:34 <aphillip> s/issue 341/issue 231/
15:13:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:14:47 <r12a> http://www.multilingualweb.eu/documents/luxembourg-workshop/luxembourg-workshop-report
15:14:49 <aphillip> richard:
15:15:02 <aphillip> richard: report on luxembourg workshop above
15:15:15 <aphillip> ... good to watch the videos, since you get more info from them
15:15:34 <aphillip> ... only 15 min. each.... working on links... avail soon
15:15:43 <aphillip>  Topic: Charter review
15:15:56 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/2012/05/i18n-recharter/core-charter.html
15:16:26 <aphillip> richard: PLM wants to take to W3M next wednesday
15:16:34 <aphillip> ... so last chance to comment
15:17:11 <aphillip> ... main difference is that we'll be supporting REC-track (with encoding document as our only such deliverable)
15:17:45 <r12a> s/PLM/PLH/
15:26:19 <aphillip> Norbert: list Webapps
15:29:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:30:20 <aphillip> addison: charmod on rec track or no?
15:35:13 <aphillip> gwyeth: when would it go into effect?
15:35:53 <aphillip> richard: (reviews process---W3M, AC reps, etc.)
15:36:02 <aphillip> ... about two months??
15:36:49 <aphillip> Topic: Web Notifications
15:36:52 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2012AprJun/0116.html
15:37:04 <aphillip> The Web Notifications WG is planning to move Web Notifications to W3C Last Call meaning we don't intend to change it. But we might have missed something and would therefore appreciate your review of http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/notifications/raw-file/tip/Overview.html and any comments you might have at public-web-notification@w3.org.
15:37:33 <aphillip> last call published end of last week
15:38:22 <aphillip> s/last week/next week/
15:39:19 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: (AND ALL GROUP MEMBERS) review Web Notifications for revew at 27 June WG teleconference
15:39:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-132 - (AND ALL GROUP MEMBERS) review Web Notifications for revew at 27 June WG teleconference [on Addison Phillips - due 2012-06-27].
15:39:54 <aphillip> ACTION-132: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/notifications/raw-file/tip/Overview.html
15:39:55 <trackbot> ACTION-132 (AND ALL GROUP MEMBERS) review Web Notifications for revew at 27 June WG teleconference notes added
15:40:27 <aphillip> Topic: XLIFF 2.0?
15:41:17 <aphillip> (defer topic for later)
15:41:17 <aphillip> Topic: IRI and IRI bidi documents
15:41:52 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/2012/06/13-i18n-minutes.html
15:42:53 <aphillip> Norbert: discussed more in general layout of IRIs with bidi
15:43:08 <aphillip> ... it says "embed any IRIs in a LTR context"
15:45:11 <aphillip> addison: doesn't solve problems with dot and slash, though... only provides a directional base
15:45:35 <aphillip> gwyneth: hasn't had a chance to follow up with shawn steele until just now
15:46:47 <aphillip> ... wants a different presentation that UBA
15:47:04 <aphillip> addison: problem is need for bidi controls to do that under UBA, so have leakage problem
15:53:03 <aphillip> norbert: to make progress, need some "interesting IRIs"
15:53:08 <aphillip> ... and list of algorithms for rendering
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15:56:15 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: ping Adil about status of bidi IRI examples/tests and any documentation or efforts in that direction
15:56:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-133 - Ping Adil about status of bidi IRI examples/tests and any documentation or efforts in that direction [on Addison Phillips - due 2012-06-27].
15:56:56 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:57:01 <aphillip> addison: for next week
15:57:08 <aphillip> richard: review Ruby document
15:57:17 <aphillip> ... move to FPWD next week
15:58:12 <aphillip> Norbert: moving CSS Box Layout to last call... add to review radar
15:58:53 <aphillip> Topic: XLIFF v2
15:59:36 <aphillip> richard: XLIFF allowed namespaces
15:59:47 <aphillip> ... and folks implemented core features of XLIFF using their own namespaces
15:59:53 <aphillip> ... which is ugly/painful
15:59:57 <aphillip> ... two proposals
16:00:02 <aphillip> ... 1. drop namespaces
16:00:21 <aphillip> ... 2. special elements like <meta> to express extensibility
16:00:32 <aphillip> richard: another proposal was keep both
16:00:46 <Zakim> -Gwyneth
16:00:54 <aphillip> ... but tighten wording around namespaces to prevent recreating core features
16:01:12 <aphillip> ... having a second vote on this
16:01:28 <aphillip> richard: think ITS and XLIFF should work closely together
16:01:44 <aphillip> ... so get ITS concepts into XLIFF
16:01:50 <aphillip> ... they hadn't thought about it
16:02:01 <aphillip> ... proposed using namespaces to do this
16:03:32 <aphillip> ... felix would be the best reporter
16:04:31 <fsasaki> for the record: I'm lurking on IRC, happy to take an action item to follow up on this - e.g. 1st a mail draft to our member list, then sending that mail etc. to XLIFF folks
16:04:44 <fsasaki> so feel free to give me AIs :)
16:04:53 <aphillip> not ready for that, felix... waiting outcome of vote
16:05:02 <aphillip> ... but I can make up AIs if you need me to
16:05:27 <fsasaki> OK
16:06:15 <Zakim> -aphillip
16:06:19 <Zakim> -matial
16:06:20 <Zakim> -Norbert
16:07:08 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:07:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:07:42 <aphillip> zakim, bye
16:07:42 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Gwyneth, aphillip, Richard, matial, +1.415.885.aaaa, Norbert
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16:08:32 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, Norbert, Gwyneth, Mati, Felix (via IRC)
16:08:40 <aphillip> Regrets: David
16:08:47 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:08:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:08:51 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
16:08:51 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:08:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: (AND ALL GROUP MEMBERS) review Web Notifications for revew at 27 June WG teleconference [1]
16:08:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-i18n-irc#T15-39-19
16:08:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: ping Adil about status of bidi IRI examples/tests and any documentation or efforts in that direction [2]
16:08:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-i18n-irc#T15-56-15