13:51:00 RRSAgent has joined #dap 13:51:00 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-dap-irc 13:51:02 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:51:02 Zakim has joined #dap 13:51:04 Zakim, this will be DAP 13:51:04 ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes 13:51:05 Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference 13:51:06 Date: 20 June 2012 13:51:20 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Jun/0057.html 13:52:06 Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch 13:52:21 Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch 13:52:59 Topic: Administrative 13:53:17 Add to agenda item for WebIntents to pass Resolution affirming FPWD publication 13:53:40 New Participants in WG 13:57:38 dsr has joined #dap 13:57:42 jhawkins has joined #dap 13:59:29 Jungkee has joined #dap 13:59:43 Present+ Jungkee_Song 13:59:56 UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started 14:00:03 +[GVoice] 14:00:27 +??P20 14:00:33 Present+ James_Hawkins 14:00:36 Present+ Dave 14:01:12 claes has joined #dap 14:01:13 Zakim, [GVoice] is jhawkins 14:01:13 +jhawkins; got it 14:01:19 +??P6 14:01:44 Zakim, ??P6 is Jungkee 14:01:44 +Jungkee; got it 14:01:45 +??P22 14:01:50 zakim, ??P22 is me 14:01:50 +fjh; got it 14:02:03 + +46.7.05.56.aaaa 14:02:08 mute me 14:02:17 Zakim, mute me 14:02:17 Jungkee should now be muted 14:02:22 Cathy has joined #dap 14:02:39 zakim, who is here? 14:02:40 On the phone I see jhawkins, Dave, Jungkee (muted), fjh, +46.7.05.56.aaaa 14:02:40 On IRC I see Cathy, claes, Jungkee, jhawkins, dsr, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, darobin, Josh_Soref, richt_, mounir, lgombos, trackbot, dom, hiroto_away, ilkka 14:03:03 zakim, where is +46 14:03:03 fjh, I do not see a party named 'where'. If you meant to ask a question you need to add '?' 14:03:10 zakim, where is +46? 14:03:10 country code 46 is Sweden 14:03:16 Present+ Claes_Nilsson 14:03:36 zakim, aaaa is claes 14:03:36 +claes; got it 14:03:41 zakim, who is here? 14:03:41 On the phone I see jhawkins, Dave, Jungkee (muted), fjh, claes 14:03:42 On IRC I see Cathy, claes, Jungkee, jhawkins, dsr, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, darobin, Josh_Soref, richt_, mounir, lgombos, trackbot, dom, hiroto_away, ilkka 14:04:38 +??P21 14:04:46 zakim, ??P21 is me 14:04:46 +Cathy; got it 14:05:06 + +33.1.43.14.aabb 14:05:14 Zakim, aabb is me 14:05:14 +darobin; got it 14:05:18 zakim, where is +33? 14:05:18 country code 33 is France 14:05:35 zakim, who is here? 14:05:35 On the phone I see jhawkins, Dave, Jungkee (muted), fjh, claes, Cathy, darobin 14:05:37 On IRC I see Cathy, claes, Jungkee, jhawkins, dsr, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, darobin, Josh_Soref, richt_, mounir, lgombos, trackbot, dom, hiroto_away, ilkka 14:06:59 +[GVoice] 14:07:02 Zakim, unmute Cathy 14:07:02 Cathy was not muted, darobin 14:07:55 ScribeNick: Cathy 14:08:03 Paul_Kinlan has joined #dap 14:09:07 Topic: Welcome 14:09:11 zakim, who is here? 14:09:11 On the phone I see jhawkins, Dave, Jungkee (muted), fjh, claes, Cathy, darobin, [GVoice] 14:09:13 On IRC I see Paul_Kinlan, Cathy, claes, Jungkee, jhawkins, dsr, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, darobin, Josh_Soref, richt_, mounir, lgombos, trackbot, dom, hiroto_away, ilkka 14:09:23 fjh: We have a bunch of new members, notably jhawkins who can now take action items. 14:09:44 fjh: welcome to new members of the WG, including Dongsheng from Baidu, Dong Min from Rtt and James from Google 14:09:54 Topic: WebIntents 14:10:08 Present+ Paul_Kinlan 14:10:14 fjh: CfC for FPWD completed. 14:10:46 proposed RESOLUTION: DAP WG affirms publication of FPWD of WebIntents (as agreed in WebIntents TF), including changes in progress 14:11:29 +1 14:11:33 +1 14:11:34 +1 14:11:43 +1 14:11:44 RESOLUTION: DAP WG affirms publication of FPWD of WebIntents (as agreed in WebIntents TF), including changes in progress 14:12:00 +1 14:12:07 proposed RESOLUTION: shortname for WebIntents is "web-intents" 14:12:24 +1 14:12:27 +1 14:12:29 http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/web-intents/raw-file/tip/spec/Overview.html 14:12:38 +1 14:12:42 RESOLUTION: shortname for WebIntents is "web-intents" 14:12:48 [I point out that the final decision on this is not ours but the Director's — though I doubt there would be any objection] 14:12:49 (this should be URL of editors draft heading) 14:13:30 fjh: darobin proposed editorial edits. 14:13:36 jhawkins: we'll incorporate those. 14:14:03 + +1.289.261.aacc 14:14:16 Zakim, aacc is me 14:14:16 +Josh_Soref; got it 14:14:18 action: dsr to widen editing privileges for editing webIntents 14:14:18 Created ACTION-544 - Widen editing privileges for editing webIntents [on Dave Raggett - due 2012-06-27]. 14:14:47 scribe: Josh_Soref 14:15:35 s/mute me// 14:16:50 jhawkins: analysis of WebActivities with respect to WebIntents is underway, should expect email from Greg on this topic on WebIntents list soon 14:16:56 +1 14:17:33 Zakim, who is on the call? 14:17:33 On the phone I see jhawkins, Dave, Jungkee (muted), fjh, claes, Cathy, darobin, [GVoice], Josh_Soref 14:17:43 fjh: Robin's suggest on the list of framing architectural issues in terms of conformance targets is helpful 14:17:54 Josh_Soref: Paul_Kinlan 14:17:59 s/Robin/darobin/ 14:18:08 Zakim, [GVoice] is Paul_Kinlan 14:18:08 +Paul_Kinlan; got it 14:18:14 s/suggest/suggestion/ 14:18:26 darobin: one thing i haven't had time to do 14:18:34 ... is in addition to the markup oriented pass 14:18:36 s/Josh_Soref: Paul_Kinlan// 14:18:50 ... i wanted to go through the spec and fix up the testable assertions 14:18:54 ... but that can be done later 14:19:03 fjh: greg needs to know that you're doing it 14:19:08 darobin: obviously i need to sync up with him 14:19:19 ... the only thing i've touched so far, is entirely editorial 14:19:27 ... it's faster for me to make the edits on the spec directly 14:19:30 ... than to describe them 14:19:38 fjh: we'll take this to the list 14:19:44 ... it's good that we're making progress 14:20:00 ... we'll beat the Publishing Moratorium in July 14:20:04 No DAP teleconference on 4 July 2012 (also is US holiday), and no teleconference on 18 July 2012. DAP F2F 10-12 July. 14:20:15 Topic: Minutes Approval 14:20:18 Approve minutes from 13 June 2012 14:20:18 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Jun/att-0049/minutes-2012-06-13.html 14:20:25 RESOLUTION: Approve minutes from 13 June 2012 14:20:32 Topic: F2F, July 12 14:20:42 fjh: thanks everyone who answered the questionaire 14:20:44 Please complete attendance questionnaire: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/DAPJuly2012F2F/ 14:20:52 results https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/43696/DAPJuly2012F2F/results 14:21:04 Logistics: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/BurlingtonF2F2012 14:21:13 Draft Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/F2F_Agenda_10-12_July_2012,_Burlington,_MA_USA 14:21:21 fjh: I took a pass at the agenda yesterday 14:21:26 ... claes you're in Europe 14:21:29 ... which is later than us 14:21:35 ... it's a 6 hour difference 14:22:04 ... we need to know what our parameters are 14:22:41 ... 10-5 tuesday 14:22:47 ... 9:30-5 wednesday 14:22:55 ... 9:30-3 thursday 14:23:12 ... the goal for thursday is to let people leave early flying west 14:23:21 ... topics for tuesday 14:23:40 ... agenda review, web intents 14:23:53 ... wednesday, upnp/network info/gallery 14:24:00 ... contacts 14:24:25 ... thursday: media capture, privacy+security, system level apis 14:24:31 ... interop 14:24:38 ... we might want to move interop+testing earlier 14:24:46 ... i was concerned about splitting things up 14:24:56 claes: the most important slot for me is Intents UPnP 14:25:06 ... we intend to submit the addendum to WebIntents next week 14:25:15 ... the time slot (wednesday morning) is perfect for me 14:25:37 fjh: the question i had is how much of a working session will we do/need 14:25:44 ... we have thursday morning as well 14:25:52 ... and i don't know how significant Media Capture will be 14:26:00 ... not sure about remotes 14:26:24 ... we have Ansii, Claes - morning preference 14:26:37 ... we have Travis - afternoon preference 14:26:51 Josh_Soref: we could move MC to wednesday afternoon 14:26:57 fjh: i think that would make sense 14:27:05 fjh: what are your thoughts? 14:27:13 s/what/jhawkins what/ 14:27:17 ... you'll be chairing... 14:27:23 jhawkins: my preference is a full day 14:27:41 fjh: claes, you won't be involved in gallery/network info 14:27:52 Zakim, unmute me 14:27:52 Jungkee should no longer be muted 14:27:55 +1 14:28:03 ... if we had UPnP thursday morning, and Intents Tuesday+Wednesday morning 14:28:11 claes: that works 14:28:24 ... but we could talk about UPnP+ Gallery together 14:28:28 ... thursday morning 14:28:38 fjh: yeah, that makes sense to me 14:29:03 darobin: sounds good to me 14:29:05 fjh: my concern is the time limit on thursday, as we're ending early 14:29:08 ... unless we change that now 14:30:15 darobin: we might want mounir around for Network Info 14:30:21 ... he hasn't answered yet, I suspect he'll be remote 14:30:27 Josh_Soref: and he's Europe (preference morning) 14:31:16 Josh_Soref: could we do battery/proximity/vibration/network info for mornings of days 14:31:21 ... and Intents in the second slot of days 14:31:50 ... contacts can be an afternoon slot 14:31:51 Josh_Soref: I will unlikely come to the F2F but dougt should come for Mozilla 14:32:38 [ fjh live edits wiki ] 14:33:02 oh, I didn't know it was possible to change the answers later 14:33:10 will do that then 14:33:44 Josh_Soref: i'd suggest network info before web intents on wednesday 14:34:29 Josh_Soref: move interop and testing to tuesday afternoon 14:34:52 fjh: that's good, i don't want to leave it to the end 14:35:00 ... and if anything comes up, we can deal with it 14:35:05 ... during the meeting 14:36:49 Josh_Soref: move system level apis to after afternoon break on wednesday 14:38:35 fjh: i want to swap upnp intents to wednesday and intents part 2 to thursday 14:38:39 jhawkins: that's fine 14:38:46 Josh_Soref: +1 14:39:27 fjh: we'll take breaks when we want to 14:40:11 fjh: we'll structure day 3 afternoon when we get to day 3 morning 14:40:45 ... i assume we'll update gallery+contacts specs and publish 14:40:51 ... other comments? 14:40:59 ... claes: is this still ok with you? 14:41:03 claes: yes, this is ok 14:41:18 ... if possible, if we could get time estimation for when i should call in, that would be nice 14:41:36 fjh: on day 1, i think web intents would be around 10:30a local time 14:41:45 ... day 2, upnp probably around 10am local time 14:41:53 ... i don't know when we'll want to do lunch 14:42:00 Cathy: i think you have to get there around 1pm 14:42:09 fjh: that gives us 4 hours before lunch 14:42:28 ... i don't know exact times 14:42:29 claes: that's ok for now 14:42:37 fjh: anything else on this discussion? 14:42:49 ... we'll probably break during web intents and upnp 14:43:08 Josh_Soref: tentatively, for day 1, move break between interop and privacy 14:43:29 Zakim, who is making noise? 14:43:40 Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: fjh (36%) 14:43:45 Zakim, who is making noise? 14:43:53 i muted 14:43:57 Zakim, mute me 14:43:57 Jungkee should now be muted 14:43:59 Josh_Soref, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Josh_Soref (9%) 14:44:32 Topic: Vibration 14:44:41 -Cathy 14:44:57 -jhawkins 14:44:57 fjh: I think Anssi made updates 14:45:06 ... and all comments were incorporated 14:45:10 +??P5 14:45:12 ... so we're due for publication 14:45:18 zakim, ??P5 is me 14:45:18 +Cathy; got it 14:45:20 ... objections to my sending out a CfC? 14:45:25 darobin: we're at CR now 14:45:38 ... my understanding is that our changes were editorial 14:45:57 ... it might be simpler to do the testing 14:46:08 ... and integrate the changes before PR 14:46:19 fjh: so it's a question of going through testing 14:46:30 darobin: i was hoping to finish the test suite by the F2F 14:46:42 s/Ansii/AnssiK/ 14:46:47 fjh: so we should wait 14:46:54 ... thanks darobin 14:47:08 Topic: Web Applications Privacy Best Practices 14:47:15 fjh: I updated this about Informed Consent 14:47:19 pdated with new best practice for informed consent, ACTION-470 14:47:19 +1 14:47:19 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Jun/0056.html 14:47:22 ... based on my long standing action 14:47:25 s/pdated/updated/ 14:47:32 proposed RESOLUTION: Publish "Web Application Privacy Best Practices" as WG Note, following CfC 14:47:59 Josh_Soref: i'd like to read through it and send back editorial comments 14:48:03 fjh: i think we should do the CfC 14:48:11 ... and you can send comments during the CfC 14:48:19 darobin: Josh_Soref you can send comments during the CfC 14:48:23 Josh_Soref: ok 14:48:44 RESOLUTION: Publish "Web Application Privacy Best Practices" as WG Note, following CfC 14:49:05 fjh: dsr, i get confused about the different kinds of notes 14:49:06 action: fjh to send CfC for publishing "Web Application Privacy Best Practices" as WG Note, ending next week 14:49:07 Created ACTION-545 - Send CfC for publishing "Web Application Privacy Best Practices" as WG Note, ending next week [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-06-27]. 14:49:09 ... i think WG Note is the right kind 14:49:15 Topic: Other APIs 14:49:15 Zakim, unmute me 14:49:15 Jungkee should no longer be muted 14:49:33 Jungkee: brief update status of Gallery 14:49:42 ... defining XXX 14:49:49 ... i think we can discuss about XX1 14:49:56 -claes 14:49:58 ... after I update the ED next week 14:50:26 -Paul_Kinlan 14:50:46 ... working on the media 14:50:56 [ garbled ] 14:50:56 that's right 14:51:10 i'll update the ED next week with media searching part 14:51:16 jungkee: updating gallery to reflect list discussion 14:51:21 interface and dictionary of the filters 14:51:36 Zakim, mute me 14:51:36 Jungkee should now be muted 14:51:40 q+ 14:51:55 ack Josh_Soref 14:51:58 fjh: when you update the ED, it'd be nice if you indicate where the changes are 14:52:16 Josh_Soref: searching reminds me of contacts 14:52:22 ... i worry that we're reinventing the same thing again and again 14:52:44 ... at some point i'd like to see end user oriented UCs for searching 14:53:17 Zakim, unmute me 14:53:17 Jungkee should no longer be muted 14:53:43 Zakim, mute Jungkee 14:53:43 Jungkee should now be muted 14:53:51 Josh_Soref: the implication for spec is more or less: 14:54:02 ... Web Application asks Gallery API for content 14:54:13 ... Gallery API implementation lets user pick content 14:54:16 ... user picks content 14:54:24 fjh: suggest that we take this to the list 14:54:25 ... Gallery Implementation returns content to Web Application 14:54:31 Zakim, mute me 14:54:31 Jungkee was already muted, Jungkee 14:54:31 Zakim, unmute Jungkee 14:54:32 Jungkee should no longer be muted 14:54:55 q? 14:55:05 alright 14:55:15 Zakim, unmute me 14:55:15 Jungkee was not muted, Jungkee 14:55:39 Zakim, unmute me 14:55:39 Jungkee was not muted, Jungkee 14:56:08 The thing is we now exploit the Web Intents support in writing the Gallery apps 14:56:54 so that the developers can easily utliize many different services whether or not it is local, remote 14:58:46 sure 14:59:23 s/Other APIs/Gallery/ 14:59:41 Zakim, mute Jungkee 14:59:42 Jungkee should now be muted 14:59:49 Topic: AOB 14:59:55 fjh: we have one more call ... next week 15:00:00 ... otherwise, see people at the F2F 15:00:04 -Cathy 15:00:07 -darobin 15:00:07 ... thank you very much 15:00:08 -Dave 15:00:09 ACTION-470 closed 15:00:09 ACTION-470 Update web application privacy best practices related to active consent closed 15:00:09 Jungkee has left #dap 15:00:17 ACTION-538 closed 15:00:17 ACTION-538 Create CfC to publish update WD of HTML Media Capture closed 15:00:24 -Jungkee 15:00:32 ACTION-541 closed 15:00:32 ACTION-541 Start CfC for FPWD of proximity closed 15:00:34 fjh: thanks Josh_Soref for closing actions earlier 15:00:44 ACTION-543 closed 15:00:44 ACTION-543 Check with Josh Soref on actions next week closed 15:01:13 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:01:13 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-dap-minutes.html fjh 15:01:43 s/mute me// 15:05:24 Josh_Soref: note that commas in wiki pages (or any other url) cause pain to scribe scripts 15:08:47 fjh_ has joined #dap 15:08:48 -Josh_Soref 15:09:06 -fjh 15:09:07 UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended 15:09:07 Attendees were Dave, jhawkins, Jungkee, fjh, +46.7.05.56.aaaa, claes, Cathy, +33.1.43.14.aabb, darobin, +1.289.261.aacc, Josh_Soref, Paul_Kinlan 15:09:13 fjh: i'll move the pages to names without commas and update the agendas page 15:09:15 [ Adjourned ] 15:09:20 trackbot, end meeting 15:09:20 Zakim, list attendees 15:09:20 sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is 15:09:28 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 15:09:28 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-dap-minutes.html trackbot 15:09:29 RRSAgent, bye 15:09:29 I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-dap-actions.rdf : 15:09:29 ACTION: dsr to widen editing privileges for editing webIntents [1] 15:09:29 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-dap-irc#T14-14-18 15:09:29 ACTION: fjh to send CfC for publishing "Web Application Privacy Best Practices" as WG Note, ending next week [2] 15:09:29 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-dap-irc#T14-49-06