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14:57:55 <janina> zakim, this will be 2119
14:57:55 <Zakim> ok, janina; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 57 minutes ago
14:58:44 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
14:58:51 <Zakim> +??P10
14:59:01 <janina> zakim, ??P10 is Janina_Sajka
14:59:02 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
14:59:03 <Zakim> +John_Foliot
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14:59:53 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:59:55 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
14:59:55 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 59 minutes ago
14:59:57 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:00:00 <trackbot> Date: 14 June 2012
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15:02:26 <janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
15:02:26 <janina> Chair: Janina_Sajka
15:02:26 <janina> Scribe:
15:02:26 <janina> agenda+ Issue-204 & Issue-30 Is the dependency meaningful anymore?
15:02:26 <janina> agenda+ Issue-199 Status
15:02:28 <janina> agenda+ Issue-194 Status
15:02:31 <janina> agenda+ Issue-31C Status
15:02:33 <janina> agenda+ Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; Text; ARIA Mappings
15:02:36 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:02:38 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
15:02:41 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
15:02:44 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:05:14 <janina>  zakim, who's here?
15:05:14 <Zakim> I notice WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has restarted
15:05:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see Janina_Sajka, John_Foliot, [Microsoft], Cooper, ??P7
15:05:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see JF, paulc, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, davidb, MichaelC, trackbot, [tm]
15:05:52 <janina> zakim, ??P7 is Leonie
15:05:52 <Zakim> +Leonie; got it
15:07:20 <Zakim> +??P12
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15:07:43 <janina> zakim, ??P12 is Steve_Faulkner
15:07:43 <Zakim> +Steve_Faulkner; got it
15:07:55 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
15:08:31 <LeonieW> scribe: Léonie Watson
15:08:31 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:08:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see Janina_Sajka, John_Foliot, [Microsoft], Cooper, Leonie, Steve_Faulkner, Cynthia_Shelly
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15:08:50 <LeonieW> zakim, next item
15:08:50 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Issue-204 & Issue-30 Is the dependency meaningful anymore?" taken up [from janina]
15:10:12 <LeonieW> JS: Wanted to explore the possibility that the 204 CPs won't satisfy the requirements outlined in our issue 30 CP.
15:11:47 <LeonieW> JS: The generic @longdesc requirement is that the information is available, but you're not hit with it.
15:12:22 <LeonieW> JS: Plus the description being available from an external information source.
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15:13:06 <LeonieW> JF: The issue is that we didn't originally link 204 with 30.
15:13:40 <Zakim> +Rich
15:14:35 <LeonieW> JS: Anyone think is is not worth pursuing?
15:14:51 <LeonieW> PC: What is worth pursuing?
15:15:00 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
15:15:05 <LeonieW> JS: Removing the blockage/link between 204 and 30.
15:15:18 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
15:15:28 <LeonieW> PC: Why would this be an effective us of time?
15:15:48 <LeonieW> JS: We have 2 CPS, neither of which will meet the requirements of @longdesc.
15:16:22 <LeonieW> PC: Before there was a lot of theory, but now there is better evidence.
15:16:33 <LeonieW> PC: What's tee status of 204 within PF?
15:17:29 <LeonieW> JF: 204 came into existence because people were trying to show there were other techniques to solve 30.
15:17:59 <LeonieW> JF: Those 204 CPS don't meet all the requirements of 30 though.
15:18:31 <LeonieW> PC: The chairs are flooded with work. It would be better to get 204 out of the way, rather than petition the chairs.
15:18:39 <LeonieW> rrsagent, make minutes
15:18:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/14-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieW
15:19:15 <JF> q+
15:21:17 <LeonieW> PC: There are other situations with dependencies. Suggesting that we unlink those dependencies is sensible.
15:21:20 <janina> q?
15:21:24 <janina> ack jf
15:21:57 <LeonieW> JF: We're close on 204, whether by reducing to a single CP or going to survey. 
15:23:16 <LeonieW> JF: With 204, an indication of when the clock might run out would be helpful.
15:23:23 <LeonieW> PC: Message heard.
15:24:39 <LeonieW> rrsagent, make minutes
15:24:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/14-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieW
15:24:59 <LeonieW> JF: Resolving 204 may help us resolve 30.
15:25:46 <LeonieW> JF: If we can overcome the 2119 language, it can be resolved.
15:26:24 <LeonieW> JS: Would it be helpful to reintroduce the surface with 30?
15:26:49 <LeonieW> JF: I don't think so, let's focus on 204 and then refocus on 30.
15:27:26 <LeonieW> JS: My sense is that the desire for 2119 language is because of 30.
15:27:41 <LeonieW> rrsagent, make minutes
15:27:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/14-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieW
15:28:00 <LeonieW> zakim, next item
15:28:00 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Issue-199 Status" taken up [from janina]
15:28:23 <JF> ZAKIM. WHO'S HERE?
15:28:35 <JF> zakim, who's here?
15:28:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Janina_Sajka, John_Foliot, [Microsoft], Cooper, Leonie, Steve_Faulkner, Rich, Cynthia_Shelly
15:28:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see richardschwerdtfe, Stevef, LeonieW, JF, paulc, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, davidb, MichaelC, trackbot, [tm]
15:28:38 <LeonieW> PC: Ted has an action time due today to review this.
15:28:58 <LeonieW> PC: That might be optimistic though.
15:29:11 <LeonieW> JS: That's fine, we just want to keep it in front of us.
15:29:36 <JF> s/ZAKIM. WHO'S HERE?/ /
15:29:38 <LeonieW> PC: I've created a priority list with this issue towards the top.
15:30:13 <LeonieW> PC: Ted has five items blocked. We're trying to advise him on the priority of those actions.
15:30:16 <LeonieW> zakim, next item
15:30:16 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Issue-194 Status" taken up [from janina]
15:31:51 <LeonieW> JF: We're've walked the possibilities. Introducing a transcript attribute on the video element was probably the best solution. With the caveat that it should be a fully resolved URL.
15:33:00 <LeonieW> JF: We've worked through the reaction that this was some kind of longdesc.
15:33:34 <LeonieW> JF: We've had an extension granted because the Apple guys have been focused on their conference this week.
15:34:35 <LeonieW> JS: We've surfaced a bug about adding audio/video to interactive elements and tab.
15:34:49 <LeonieW> rrsagent, make minutes
15:34:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/14-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieW
15:36:21 <LeonieW> zakim, next item
15:36:21 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Issue-31C Status" taken up [from janina]
15:36:44 <JF> (Ref: Video/audio focus bug filed by Silvia: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17463)
15:37:04 <LeonieW> JS: The chairs are aware of the situation.
15:37:09 <LeonieW> zakim, next item
15:37:09 <Zakim> agendum 4 was just opened, LeonieW
15:37:17 <LeonieW> zakim, close item 4
15:37:17 <Zakim> agendum 4, Issue-31C Status, closed
15:37:18 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:37:18 <Zakim> 5. Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; Text; ARIA Mappings [from janina]
15:37:25 <LeonieW> zakim, next item
15:37:25 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; Text; ARIA Mappings" taken up [from janina]
15:37:52 <LeonieW> RS: Canvas. We're in a holding pattern waiting for Apple.
15:38:27 <LeonieW> RS: We're waiting on results from a straw poll. I've also completed my action on carat selection.
15:39:00 <LeonieW> PC: That action was created by the chairs after the F2F on 201. 
15:39:14 <LeonieW> RS: I met with Sam and we spoke about the use cases being integrated into the CP.
15:40:10 <LeonieW> RS: Could we change the action to reflect that better?
15:40:30 <LeonieW> PC: I think that's the right action.
15:40:46 <LeonieW> PC: Richard, send me the text you'd prefer and I'll get it changed.
15:41:24 <LeonieW> rrsagent, make minutes
15:41:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/14-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieW
15:41:28 <paulc> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/217
15:43:17 <LeonieW> JS: Text. We didn't have a meeting this week. A draft of issues on alt guidance in the spec is circulating amongst the sub team.
15:43:35 <LeonieW> JS: We hope to share this with the TF and WCAG next week for comment.
15:45:57 <LeonieW> LW: Bug triage. Keeping a watching brief. Several bugs with a11y tag, but none for the TF to focus on for the moment.
15:46:32 <LeonieW> JS: Mapping. We haven't met for a couple of weeks.
15:47:19 <LeonieW> SF: I've made several updates to the doc and have filed some bugs.
15:47:40 <LeonieW> rrsagent, make minutes
15:47:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/14-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieW
15:47:48 <LeonieW> zakim, next item
15:47:48 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
15:48:44 <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0088.html
15:50:00 <LeonieW> JF: PC: I'm assuming you guys will be at TPAC?
15:50:39 <LeonieW> JS: We have a problem. PF will meet Mon/Tue and HTML on Thu/Fri, but we also have IndyUI to fit in.
15:50:56 <LeonieW> PC: We'll have to work around that.
15:51:12 <LeonieW> PC: There's also the AC meeting on the Thursday that clashes too.
15:51:15 <MichaelC> s/IndyUI/IndieUI/
15:52:42 <LeonieW> rrsagent, make minutes
15:52:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/14-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieW
15:54:50 <LeonieW> PC: These are the items in my priority...201, 199, 194, 189 and 200.
15:55:06 <LeonieW> PC: Is there anything else the TF is waiting for?
15:55:12 <LeonieW> JF: 204.
15:55:22 <LeonieW> PC: Right, ok.
15:55:35 <LeonieW> PC: Where should that go in the order?
15:56:02 <LeonieW> JF: I'd like to see it resolved quickly.
15:56:27 <LeonieW> PC: Further discussion over email or meeting?
15:56:44 <LeonieW> JF: So far it's been email but if a call would help bring it to closure it's worth making it happen.
15:56:50 <LeonieW> JS: A call would be my preference.
15:57:33 <LeonieW> JF: Adobe is holding a CSS hackathon this weekend in SF. I may run into Ted over the weekend, if I do I'll try and give him a nudge.
15:59:21 <Stevef> Flexbox Tests – test cases for CSS Accessibility Community Group http://www.w3.org/community/cssacc/2012/06/12/flexbox-tests-test-cases-for-css-accessibility-community-group/
15:59:44 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
15:59:51 <Zakim> -Rich
15:59:53 <Zakim> -Leonie
15:59:53 <Zakim> -Cooper
15:59:54 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
15:59:56 <Zakim> -Steve_Faulkner
15:59:58 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
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16:00:11 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:00:12 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
16:00:14 <Zakim> Attendees were Janina_Sajka, John_Foliot, [Microsoft], Cooper, Leonie, Steve_Faulkner, Cynthia_Shelly, Rich
16:00:34 <LeonieW> Present: Janina Sajka, John Foliot, Paul Cooper, Léonie Watson, Steve Faulkner, Rich Schwerdtfeger, Cynthia Shelley
16:00:46 <LeonieW> rrsagent, make minutes
16:00:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/14-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieW
16:15:37 <MichaelC> present- Paul_Cooper
16:15:48 <MichaelC> present+ Paul_Cotton, Michael_Cooper
16:15:52 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:15:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/14-html-a11y-minutes.html MichaelC
16:58:32 <LeonieW> present- Paul Cooper
16:58:39 <LeonieW> rrsagent, make minutes
16:58:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/14-html-a11y-minutes.html LeonieW