IRC log of html-a11y on 2012-06-14

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zakim, this will be 2119
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ok, janina; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 57 minutes ago
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zakim, ??P10 is Janina_Sajka
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+Janina_Sajka; got it
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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 2119
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 59 minutes ago
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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 14 June 2012
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Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
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Chair: Janina_Sajka
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agenda+ Issue-204 & Issue-30 Is the dependency meaningful anymore?
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agenda+ Issue-199 Status
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agenda+ Issue-194 Status
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agenda+ Issue-31C Status
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agenda+ Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; Text; ARIA Mappings
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agenda+ Other Business
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agenda+ Actions Review
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agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference
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agenda+ be done
15:05:14 [janina]
zakim, who's here?
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I notice WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has restarted
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On the phone I see Janina_Sajka, John_Foliot, [Microsoft], Cooper, ??P7
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On IRC I see JF, paulc, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, davidb, MichaelC, trackbot, [tm]
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zakim, ??P7 is Leonie
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+Leonie; got it
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zakim, ??P12 is Steve_Faulkner
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+Steve_Faulkner; got it
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15:08:31 [LeonieW]
scribe: Léonie Watson
15:08:31 [janina]
zakim, who's on the phone?
15:08:31 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Janina_Sajka, John_Foliot, [Microsoft], Cooper, Leonie, Steve_Faulkner, Cynthia_Shelly
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zakim, next item
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agendum 1. "Issue-204 & Issue-30 Is the dependency meaningful anymore?" taken up [from janina]
15:10:12 [LeonieW]
JS: Wanted to explore the possibility that the 204 CPs won't satisfy the requirements outlined in our issue 30 CP.
15:11:47 [LeonieW]
JS: The generic @longdesc requirement is that the information is available, but you're not hit with it.
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JS: Plus the description being available from an external information source.
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JF: The issue is that we didn't originally link 204 with 30.
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JS: Anyone think is is not worth pursuing?
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PC: What is worth pursuing?
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15:15:05 [LeonieW]
JS: Removing the blockage/link between 204 and 30.
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15:15:28 [LeonieW]
PC: Why would this be an effective us of time?
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JS: We have 2 CPS, neither of which will meet the requirements of @longdesc.
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PC: Before there was a lot of theory, but now there is better evidence.
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PC: What's tee status of 204 within PF?
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JF: 204 came into existence because people were trying to show there were other techniques to solve 30.
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JF: Those 204 CPS don't meet all the requirements of 30 though.
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PC: The chairs are flooded with work. It would be better to get 204 out of the way, rather than petition the chairs.
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15:21:17 [LeonieW]
PC: There are other situations with dependencies. Suggesting that we unlink those dependencies is sensible.
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ack jf
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JF: We're close on 204, whether by reducing to a single CP or going to survey.
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JF: With 204, an indication of when the clock might run out would be helpful.
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PC: Message heard.
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JF: Resolving 204 may help us resolve 30.
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JF: If we can overcome the 2119 language, it can be resolved.
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JS: Would it be helpful to reintroduce the surface with 30?
15:26:49 [LeonieW]
JF: I don't think so, let's focus on 204 and then refocus on 30.
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JS: My sense is that the desire for 2119 language is because of 30.
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zakim, next item
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agendum 2. "Issue-199 Status" taken up [from janina]
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zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see Janina_Sajka, John_Foliot, [Microsoft], Cooper, Leonie, Steve_Faulkner, Rich, Cynthia_Shelly
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On IRC I see richardschwerdtfe, Stevef, LeonieW, JF, paulc, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, davidb, MichaelC, trackbot, [tm]
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PC: Ted has an action time due today to review this.
15:28:58 [LeonieW]
PC: That might be optimistic though.
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JS: That's fine, we just want to keep it in front of us.
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PC: I've created a priority list with this issue towards the top.
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PC: Ted has five items blocked. We're trying to advise him on the priority of those actions.
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agendum 3. "Issue-194 Status" taken up [from janina]
15:31:51 [LeonieW]
JF: We're've walked the possibilities. Introducing a transcript attribute on the video element was probably the best solution. With the caveat that it should be a fully resolved URL.
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JF: We've worked through the reaction that this was some kind of longdesc.
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JF: We've had an extension granted because the Apple guys have been focused on their conference this week.
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JS: We've surfaced a bug about adding audio/video to interactive elements and tab.
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zakim, next item
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agendum 4. "Issue-31C Status" taken up [from janina]
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(Ref: Video/audio focus bug filed by Silvia:
15:37:04 [LeonieW]
JS: The chairs are aware of the situation.
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zakim, next item
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agendum 4 was just opened, LeonieW
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zakim, close item 4
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agendum 4, Issue-31C Status, closed
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I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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5. Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; Text; ARIA Mappings [from janina]
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zakim, next item
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agendum 5. "Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; Text; ARIA Mappings" taken up [from janina]
15:37:52 [LeonieW]
RS: Canvas. We're in a holding pattern waiting for Apple.
15:38:27 [LeonieW]
RS: We're waiting on results from a straw poll. I've also completed my action on carat selection.
15:39:00 [LeonieW]
PC: That action was created by the chairs after the F2F on 201.
15:39:14 [LeonieW]
RS: I met with Sam and we spoke about the use cases being integrated into the CP.
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RS: Could we change the action to reflect that better?
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PC: I think that's the right action.
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PC: Richard, send me the text you'd prefer and I'll get it changed.
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JS: Text. We didn't have a meeting this week. A draft of issues on alt guidance in the spec is circulating amongst the sub team.
15:43:35 [LeonieW]
JS: We hope to share this with the TF and WCAG next week for comment.
15:45:57 [LeonieW]
LW: Bug triage. Keeping a watching brief. Several bugs with a11y tag, but none for the TF to focus on for the moment.
15:46:32 [LeonieW]
JS: Mapping. We haven't met for a couple of weeks.
15:47:19 [LeonieW]
SF: I've made several updates to the doc and have filed some bugs.
15:47:40 [LeonieW]
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agendum 6. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
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15:50:00 [LeonieW]
JF: PC: I'm assuming you guys will be at TPAC?
15:50:39 [LeonieW]
JS: We have a problem. PF will meet Mon/Tue and HTML on Thu/Fri, but we also have IndyUI to fit in.
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PC: We'll have to work around that.
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PC: There's also the AC meeting on the Thursday that clashes too.
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PC: These are the items in my priority...201, 199, 194, 189 and 200.
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PC: Is there anything else the TF is waiting for?
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JF: 204.
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PC: Right, ok.
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PC: Where should that go in the order?
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JF: I'd like to see it resolved quickly.
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PC: Further discussion over email or meeting?
15:56:44 [LeonieW]
JF: So far it's been email but if a call would help bring it to closure it's worth making it happen.
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JS: A call would be my preference.
15:57:33 [LeonieW]
JF: Adobe is holding a CSS hackathon this weekend in SF. I may run into Ted over the weekend, if I do I'll try and give him a nudge.
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Flexbox Tests – test cases for CSS Accessibility Community Group
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Attendees were Janina_Sajka, John_Foliot, [Microsoft], Cooper, Leonie, Steve_Faulkner, Cynthia_Shelly, Rich
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Present: Janina Sajka, John Foliot, Paul Cooper, Léonie Watson, Steve Faulkner, Rich Schwerdtfeger, Cynthia Shelley
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present- Paul_Cooper
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present+ Paul_Cotton, Michael_Cooper
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present- Paul Cooper
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