13:13:42 RRSAgent has joined #rd 13:13:42 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/13-rd-irc 13:13:44 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:13:44 Zakim has joined #rd 13:13:46 Zakim, this will be 7394 13:13:46 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes 13:13:47 Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference 13:13:47 Date: 13 June 2012 13:29:10 Klaus has joined #rd 13:29:11 vivienne has joined #rd 13:29:38 WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started 13:29:45 +??P21 13:29:54 +??P22 13:30:26 zakim, ??P22 is me 13:30:26 +vivienne; got it 13:30:33 zakim, mute me 13:30:33 vivienne should now be muted 13:30:40 peter has joined #rd 13:30:43 +Shawn 13:30:50 zakim, mute me 13:30:50 Shawn should now be muted 13:31:07 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:31:07 On the phone I see ??P21, vivienne (muted), Shawn (muted) 13:31:08 giorgio has joined #rd 13:31:20 zakim, unmute me 13:31:20 Shawn should no longer be muted 13:31:25 +??P25 13:31:35 ack me 13:31:57 Agenda+ Mobile Topic Update (Final Papers, Registration, Panel Questions) 13:31:57 Agenda+ Text Customization Topic Update (Pre-Call Announcement, Timeline) 13:31:57 Agenda+ Easy-to-Read Topic Update (Topic Description, Pre-Call Draft) 13:31:57 Agenda+ Metrics Report Update 13:31:57 Agenda+ Feeding the Wiki 13:31:57 Zakim, ??P25 is me 13:31:58 +peter; got it 13:31:58 zakim, mute me 13:31:59 vivienne should now be muted 13:32:08 +Shadi 13:32:20 +??P27 13:32:26 +??P11 13:32:26 Zakim, ??P21 is me 13:32:27 +peter; got it 13:32:34 zakim, ??P21 is yeliz 13:32:34 I already had ??P21 as peter.a, yeliz 13:32:35 Zakim, mute me 13:32:36 peter should now be muted 13:32:50 zakim, ??P11 is yeliz 13:32:51 +yeliz; got it 13:32:54 christos has joined #rd 13:32:59 zakim, mute me 13:32:59 yeliz should now be muted 13:33:05 zakim, who is on the phone 13:33:05 I don't understand 'who is on the phone', shadi 13:33:06 zakim, ??P27 is Georgio 13:33:06 +Georgio; got it 13:33:07 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:33:08 On the phone I see peter.a, vivienne (muted), Shawn, peter (muted), Shadi, Georgio, yeliz (muted) 13:33:08 zakim, __p27 is giorgio 13:33:08 sorry, giorgio, I do not recognize a party named '__p27' 13:33:14 +??P20 13:33:20 I can do it 13:33:23 zakim, unmute me 13:33:23 yeliz should no longer be muted 13:33:25 zakim, ??p27 is giorgio 13:33:26 I already had ??P27 as Georgio, giorgio 13:33:32 zakim, ??P20 is me 13:33:32 +christos; got it 13:33:32 scribe: yeliz 13:33:37 zakim, Georgio is giorgio 13:33:37 +giorgio; got it 13:33:39 zakim, mute me 13:33:39 yeliz should now be muted 13:33:46 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:33:47 On the phone I see peter.a, vivienne (muted), Shawn, peter (muted), Shadi, giorgio, yeliz (muted), christos 13:34:13 zakim, peter.a is Klaus 13:34:13 +Klaus; got it 13:34:16 zakim, mute me 13:34:16 christos should now be muted 13:34:16 zakim, peter.a is Klaus 13:34:17 sorry, shawn, I do not recognize a party named 'peter.a' 13:34:21 so I'm muted - can you hear me speaking? 13:34:29 perfect 13:34:32 zakim, mute me 13:34:32 Shawn should now be muted 13:34:42 zakim, mute me 13:34:42 Klaus should now be muted 13:34:48 agenda? 13:34:53 Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) 13:35:16 zakim, take up agendum 1 13:35:16 agendum 1. "Mobile Topic Update (Final Papers, Registration, Panel Questions)" taken up [from shadi] 13:35:18 Agenda+ Mobile Topic Status 13:35:39 Shadi is now giving mobile topic update 13:35:52 Shadi: we opened registrations 13:36:00 zakim, drop item 6 13:36:00 agendum 6, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), dropped 13:36:04 Shadi: Registrations was filled in 24 hours 13:36:06 zakim, drop item 7 13:36:06 agendum 7, Mobile Topic Status, dropped 13:36:11 Shadi: some people could not register 13:36:34 Shadi: some people traditionally dropped out, so we probably have more space 13:36:45 Shadi: we probably need to look for alternative 13:36:58 we have live captions, transcripts afterwords 13:37:13 Papers are now online 13:37:25 however there are still some papers to be updated 13:37:38 some email me updated versions that need updating 13:37:53 We should ideally get all the papers with the updates 13:37:59 zakim, unmute yeliz 13:37:59 yeliz should no longer be muted 13:38:09 scribe: shadi 13:38:28 yeliz: simon handling it through paper system 13:38:40 ...people were saying 1000 words was not enough 13:38:51 ...simon agreed they could go beyond that 13:39:01 ...need to discuss this 13:39:07 scribe: yeliz 13:39:27 shadi: I agree with that observation that 1000 words was not enough 13:39:38 shadi: we will need to discuss that as well 13:39:41 zakim, mute me 13:39:41 yeliz should now be muted 13:40:34 q+ 13:40:36 shadi, I will send out the logistics to people, and it would be good to have an idea about when the papers will be ready 13:40:40 Zakim, unmute me 13:40:40 peter should no longer be muted 13:40:46 ack p 13:41:13 q+ 13:41:21 peter: Simon send an email to us asking about 1000 words limit 13:41:31 shadi: lets have this discussion later 13:41:33 Zakim, mute me 13:41:33 peter should now be muted 13:41:43 q+ 13:41:50 ack me 13:41:52 shadi: we shoudl have at some point a bigger debriefing session at some point 13:42:06 sure - sounds good shadi 13:42:14 vivienne: how many people we can have in the webinar? 13:42:19 shadi: we have 55 people 13:42:34 s/55 people/55 phone lines/ 13:42:36 ...I asked them if we can have more lines 13:42:48 ...but we already have more than 55 lines 13:43:19 ...from our previous experiences, around 15-20 percent doesnt show up 13:43:33 vivienne: what kind of alternatives we have? 13:43:45 shadi: we can look into this, may be sponsors, etc. 13:44:01 ...this is W3C meeting system and we cannot use all the lines 13:44:16 ...we need to look into this, may be finding an optimal time, etc, sponsors 13:44:21 q- 13:44:38 vivienne: if it will be that popular, then we need to look into this 13:44:56 shadi: despite what we have written on the call 13:45:15 ....people who registered they think this is a tutorial, education webinar 13:45:27 ...most people said we can publicise their names 13:45:36 q+ 13:45:38 ...w3c audiance is mainly developers not researchers 13:45:48 zakim, unmute yeliz 13:45:48 yeliz should no longer be muted 13:45:53 zakim q+ 13:45:56 zakim, q+ 13:45:56 I see shawn, yeliz on the speaker queue 13:46:09 ack me 13:46:09 zakim, mute me 13:46:11 vivienne should now be muted 13:46:14 ...I will send the call out hinglighting that this is not a tutorial 13:46:21 ....this is a research symposium 13:46:33 shawn: I can help you out wording the call 13:46:48 zakim, mute me 13:46:48 Shawn should now be muted 13:47:07 ack y 13:47:38 shawn: it is still welcoming but it's clear that it is not a tutorial so people do not drop out after 15 miutes 13:47:43 zakim, mute me 13:47:43 yeliz should now be muted 13:47:53 WAI IG email, W3C home page, WAI home page, WAI RSS feed, twitter 13:47:56 shadi: I sent it to WAI-IG and to past participants 13:48:24 shadi: I did not send it to other lists, as I did not know how advocates would see this 13:48:50 shadi: we need to look into coordination of sending the call out 13:48:52 plus of course those of us who forwarded it on as well 13:48:54 ack me 13:49:32 shawn: how long did it take for the last one to fill up the available spaces? 13:49:41 shadi: more or less in same amount of time 13:50:02 zakim, mute me 13:50:02 Shawn should now be muted 13:50:04 shadi: we need to look at carefully how to release the call 13:50:39 shadi: we need to talk to Simon about this how to coordinate the promotion of the call, especially avoiding multiple calls 13:50:59 s/how to release the call/how to release the announcements/ 13:51:04 shadi: questions for the panelists, discussion is going to take place 13:51:20 shadi: next week is the last call we have before the actual symposium 13:51:50 +1 to objectives and goals for what want to get out of the symposium 13:51:56 shadi: it would be good if we all go through the questions that you would like to ask to participants 13:52:16 q+ 13:52:23 ack me 13:52:26 ack p 13:52:31 shadi: I would like to propose that the next weeks meeting dedicated to discussing the questions/goals that will be asked in the symposium 13:52:44 peter: this sounds good to me 13:52:52 +1 13:52:57 zakim, unmute me 13:52:57 yeliz should no longer be muted 13:53:45 zakim, mute me 13:53:45 yeliz should now be muted 13:53:47 Yeliz: already have goals & objectives from the main symposium info -- the research questions 13:53:51 Zakim, mute me 13:53:52 peter should now be muted 13:54:23 we could talk about it offline? 13:54:28 shadi: given the papers, we might have different approaches, questions to ask 13:55:01 shadi: I will suggest Simon to dedicate the next weeks call to discuss the questions and how you would like to approach answering these questions 13:55:05 ack me 13:55:21 Zakim, mute me 13:55:21 peter should now be muted 13:55:40 shadi: anybody have any thoughts/updates on this 13:55:41 ? 13:55:43 nope :-) 13:55:50 yeliz: no 13:55:58 zakim, take up next 13:55:58 agendum 2. "Text Customization Topic Update (Pre-Call Announcement, Timeline)" taken up [from shadi] 13:56:14 shadi: we had the precall anouncements go out yesterday 13:56:34 shadi: shawn did not want this to be confused with the mobile call 13:56:35 Distribution lists: http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Distribution_Lists 13:56:42 shadi: should and how can be promote it? 13:56:49 shadi: we need to look into the timeline, etc 13:57:00 Timeline: http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Topic_3_Timeline 13:57:00 and look into the relationship between this and easy to read 13:57:02 .... 13:57:06 ack me 13:57:20 shadi: anything you would like to discuss? 13:58:01 shawn: we currently use WAI lists, twitter 13:58:20 ...should I go ahead and send the precall to all these lists 13:58:49 ...should we do it someway that the call is not duplicated, etc 13:59:09 ...we could have a table in the wiki and fill in the places that we have conducted 13:59:30 ...I am OK with either way, but I would like to get feedback from the group 14:00:00 shadi: question1: how heavily do we want to distribute the pre-call right now? 14:00:39 shadi: pros of distrubting it widely is that people can start to plan ahead 14:00:49 ....cons: we are going to create noise 14:01:05 ....some poeple are OK with this as they can ignore the noise but some people hate 14:01:23 [the Text Customization for Readability pre-call includes "A related upcoming symposium will address broader readability topics including easy-to-read language,..."] 14:01:27 q+ 14:01:39 ack me 14:01:39 ack me 14:02:16 vivienne: if you are working on a paper then you dont mind receiving the call from different places 14:02:29 ....the danger is if you miss the call 14:02:34 nonge has joined #rd 14:02:37 zakim, mute me 14:02:37 vivienne should now be muted 14:02:40 [ potential announcements per symposium: 1. pre-call, 2. call, 3. submission deadline 4. symposium registration ] 14:02:58 ....it is better to hear it two three times rather than not seeing it at all 14:03:07 zakim, mute me 14:03:07 yeliz was already muted, yeliz 14:03:12 zakim, unmute yeliz 14:03:12 yeliz should no longer be muted 14:03:20 shadi 14:04:08 yeliz: important milestones go to all the lists in the wiki page 14:04:08 zakim, mute me 14:04:08 yeliz should now be muted 14:04:14 ack me 14:04:46 shawn: I don't have strong opinions either way 14:04:54 shawn: we don;t have to do precall 14:05:41 shawn: there might be one call in between, or there might be three in between 14:05:46 zakim, q+ 14:05:46 I see yeliz on the speaker queue 14:06:50 shawn: I am aware of the noise, but then the RDWG is new and it would be good to make it visible over those lists 14:06:58 shadi: branding and marketing 14:07:22 shawn: we would be sending this to precall and discuss it for the following seminars 14:07:31 ....we have to be careful with the overlaps 14:07:36 ack y 14:07:37 ..timing is important 14:07:42 zakim, unmute me 14:07:42 yeliz was not muted, yeliz 14:08:23 yeliz: pre-call goes to WAI IG, they get a priviledge 14:08:42 q+ to say WAI IG is not mostly reasearchers 14:08:53 ... there are a lot of lists 14:09:05 q+ to say maybe some but not all 14:09:10 zakim, mute me 14:09:10 yeliz should now be muted 14:09:21 s/there are a lot of lists/there are a lot of lists and I would get them all 14:09:23 ack me 14:09:23 shawn, you wanted to say WAI IG is not mostly reasearchers and to say maybe some but not all 14:09:54 shawn: WAI IG list is not mostly researchers 14:10:13 shawn: I appreciate that it is privileaged 14:10:49 shawn: what if we look at the lists and see the overlaps 14:10:53 zakim, unmute me 14:10:53 yeliz should no longer be muted 14:11:27 Yeliz: privilege idea comes from W4A - we send info first to past participants 14:11:44 zakim, mute me 14:11:44 yeliz should now be muted 14:11:57 s/I appreciate that it is privileaged/I appreciate that it is privileaged - although we don't need that for WAI IG list 14:12:38 shadi: one of the key question is that are there any mailing lists in this Wiki page that are very relevant? 14:12:55 shadi: Shawn have already forwarding this to other people 14:13:02 http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Distribution_Lists 14:13:23 shawn: should we send the precall to some of the mailing lists here or none? 14:13:55 shadi: how do we identify the right lists 14:13:56 ? 14:14:20 DBWORLD 14:14:25 I can do this 14:15:08 shadi: somebody need to organise this page into tabular format 14:15:11 ? 14:15:12 [/me asks for now a recommendation from folks on the call if there are a couple of lists we want to send the precall to ] 14:15:39 sure 14:15:45 yes, we can 14:15:46 though did yeliz just volunteer? 14:16:10 zakim, unmute me 14:16:10 yeliz should no longer be muted 14:16:22 oh sorry - sure 14:16:23 zakim, mute me 14:16:23 yeliz should now be muted 14:16:31 action: peter to restructure http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Distribution_Lists in a tabular format 14:16:31 Created ACTION-30 - Restructure http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Distribution_Lists in a tabular format [on Peter Thiessen - due 2012-06-20]. 14:16:59 sure sounds good 14:17:01 ack me 14:17:41 shadi: let shawn know if there are lists that are relevant to the upcoming seminar 14:17:52 q+ 14:17:56 ack me 14:18:14 vivienne: what is the purpose of the precall? 14:18:36 .....often it is short time to put something together after you get the cal 14:18:43 +1 to Vivienne, pre-call is to be an early alert so they have more time. 14:18:58 ....we need to target the precall to researchers 14:19:03 ack me 14:19:20 zakim, mute me 14:19:20 vivienne should now be muted 14:19:35 ....how can we target the right researchers? 14:19:54 shawn: it is quite important to answer this question 14:20:18 sounds good. If we all try to reach researchers, that should be good 14:20:38 giorgio suggest to invest the scientific comittee members - they should have a good network 14:20:41 ...I wonder if we can come up with an acceptable decision 14:21:13 zakim, unmute me 14:21:13 yeliz should no longer be muted 14:21:35 shawn, you know the lists well that you are registered 14:21:49 zakim, q+ 14:21:49 I see yeliz on the speaker queue 14:23:28 yeliz: specific lists that usually would get a full call, rather than pre-call 14:24:04 shawn: you know the lists well that you are registered. some might be appropriate for pre-call and others not 14:24:05 ack me 14:24:18 zakim, mute me 14:24:18 yeliz should now be muted 14:24:28 [Name - Address - Brief Description - Target Audience - Good for sending Pre-Call-for-Papers? - Good for sending Call for Papers? - RDWG Participant(s) willing to forward messages to] 14:25:09 sure noted 14:25:10 shadi, it would be useful to have a table in this format so that people can fill that out 14:25:17 [ plus a column for upcoming announcements?] 14:25:31 and we can use it for the following symposium 14:25:42 ack me 14:26:25 shadi: I think we will need to have a general information one and one specific to each symposium 14:26:26 +1 14:26:37 [ /me also notes we should send it to the RDWG mialing list ;-) /me will do this] 14:26:56 shadi: any suggestion on how to go ahead with this 14:27:19 shadi: any other lists that you would like to include, etc 14:27:41 ack me 14:28:07 shawn: nothing has changed so I haven't updated the timeline 14:28:12 zakim, unmute me 14:28:12 yeliz should no longer be muted 14:28:29 zakim, mute me 14:28:29 yeliz should now be muted 14:28:31 ack y 14:29:02 zakim, mute yeliz 14:29:02 yeliz should now be muted 14:29:11 shawn: this timeline was developed back in 8th of March, so I am kind of guessing we need to move everything ahead 14:29:33 shadi: another thing we should look at timelines 14:29:51 shadi: I think we need to be careful with the timelines 14:30:08 shadi: we need to have much lengthier timeline 14:30:49 ...we need to have lengthier timeline, not much! 14:31:03 ....Klaus is going to put the details into Wiki 14:31:20 ....Not next week but Klaus please notify the list 14:31:25 Topic: Other Updates 14:32:29 shadi: I have worked with the editors to clean up HTML, and it will out hopefully in the next week or so 14:32:39 shadi: we are getting all the approvals, etc 14:32:41 ack me 14:32:45 shadi: any other issues? 14:32:58 -vivienne 14:33:00 bye bye 14:33:04 vivienne has left #rd 14:33:07 bye :-0 14:33:08 -vivienne 14:33:09 :-) 14:33:11 bye 14:33:13 -giorgio 14:33:14 great 14:33:15 byee 14:33:15 goodbye 14:33:18 -Shawn 14:33:19 -Shadi 14:33:20 -christos 14:33:20 -yeliz 14:33:26 -peter 14:36:17 shawn has left #rd 14:38:27 disconnecting the lone participant, Klaus, in WAI_RDWG()9:30AM 14:38:28 WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended 14:38:28 Attendees were vivienne, Shawn, peter, Shadi, yeliz, christos, giorgio, Klaus 16:30:48 trackbot, end meeting 16:30:48 Zakim, list attendees 16:30:48 sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is 16:30:56 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 16:30:56 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/13-rd-minutes.html trackbot 16:30:57 RRSAgent, bye 16:30:57 I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/13-rd-actions.rdf : 16:30:57 ACTION: peter to restructure http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Distribution_Lists in a tabular format [1] 16:30:57 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/13-rd-irc#T14-16-31