13:43:28 RRSAgent has joined #tt 13:43:28 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/07-tt-irc 13:43:30 RRSAgent, make logs public 13:43:32 Zakim, this will be TTML 13:43:32 ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes 13:43:33 Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference 13:43:33 Date: 07 June 2012 13:51:56 SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has now started 13:52:02 +??P0 13:52:10 zakim, ??p0 is glenn 13:52:10 +glenn; got it 13:52:25 Chair: sean 13:52:31 ScribeNick: glenn 13:53:08 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012Jun/0004.html 13:56:33 Sean has joined #tt 14:01:36 already started minute keeping 14:01:53 s/already started minute keeping// 14:03:01 +sean 14:09:44 + +1.617.300.aaaa - is perhaps WGBH? 14:12:56 glenn: in reviewing CP2, noticed the filler semantics of 9.3.3 item 7, which may be technically problematic 14:13:31 ... that is, if this is intended to fill out background of tt:p (for example), then may not have that effect 14:13:51 ... since it applies to a new empty block, and not to the prior (presumably) tt:p block 14:14:21 ACTION: glenn to investigate correctness of 9.3.3 (7) w.r.t. XSL-FO semantics, and report back to WG 14:14:21 Created ACTION-69 - Investigate correctness of 9.3.3 (7) w.r.t. XSL-FO semantics, and report back to WG [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-06-14]. 14:17:28 ACTION: sean to create a new, separate issue for CP2 (extent/origin) 14:17:28 Created ACTION-70 - Create a new, separate issue for CP2 (extent/origin) [on Sean Hayes - due 2012-06-14]. 14:19:51 +mike 14:20:19 mike has joined #tt 14:25:17 ACTION: glenn to verify whether XSL-FO semantics of absolutely positioned block container is in relation to 'page' (i.e., root container in TTML terms) 14:25:17 Created ACTION-71 - Verify whether XSL-FO semantics of absolutely positioned block container is in relation to 'page' (i.e., root container in TTML terms) [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-06-14]. 14:26:54 mike: needs' resolution on which license to use for TTML schemas 14:27:05 s/needs'/needs/ 14:27:51 RESOLVE: that TTML schemas should be considered software, w.r.t. W3C licensing rules 14:31:01 mike: regarding profile language, need to make clear that out-of-band protocol or mechanism can be used to specify profile 14:33:39 If neitherttp:profileattribute norttp:profileelement is present in a TTML document instance, and if the document interchange context does not specify a profile, then the DFXP Transformation profile applies. 14:33:57 RTR: "“…and if the document interchange context does not specify a profile document, or other equivalent set of feature designators,…” 14:34:35 ISSUE: section 5.2 para 8 is vague regarding optionality of specifying profile in case where profile is negotiated/determined by 'document interchange process' 14:34:35 Created ISSUE-170 - Section 5.2 para 8 is vague regarding optionality of specifying profile in case where profile is negotiated/determined by 'document interchange process' ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/170/edit . 14:35:22 ISSUE-170: may also require adjustment of text for 3.3 claims regarding document claims 14:35:22 ISSUE-170 Section 5.2 para 8 is vague regarding optionality of specifying profile in case where profile is negotiated/determined by 'document interchange process' notes added 14:36:10 sean: smooth scrolling text 14:36:57 The result of performing the processing described above will be a sequence of N intermediate synchronic document instances, DOCinter0… DOCinterN−1. Note: Where an implementation is able to detect significant similarity between two adjacent synchronic document instances, DOCinterN-1… DOCinterN; such as for example the removal of the top line of the content flowed into a region causing the appearance of scrolling, then the implementation should attempt to make 14:37:45 ACTION-68? 14:37:45 ACTION-68 -- Sean Hayes to work with mike to provide reference to 608/708 that defines/clarifies semantics of smooth flowing/scrolling -- due 2012-06-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:37:45 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/68 14:39:10 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2012May/0032.html 14:39:50 then the implementation should attempt to make the transition between presenting the two instances as smooth as possible, e.g. following CEA-608-E, Section C.3 14:40:17 ACTION: glenn to implement proosed changes from ACTION-68 into 9.3.2 of 1.0 2nd Ed. 14:40:18 Created ACTION-72 - Implement proosed changes from ACTION-68 into 9.3.2 of 1.0 2nd Ed. [on Glenn Adams - due 2012-06-14]. 14:50:57 zakim, who's on phone? 14:50:57 I don't understand your question, glenn. 14:51:05 zakim, who is on the phone? 14:51:05 On the phone I see glenn, sean, WGBH?, mike 14:51:15 zakim, WGBH? is geoff 14:51:15 +geoff; got it 14:51:41 mike: concerned about language "as smooth as possible" is pretty vague for implementors/testing/interoperability etc 14:52:19 ACTION: geoff to investigate making examples from 15 Dec 2008 email available to W3C for direct reference in spec 14:52:19 Sorry, couldn't find user - geoff 14:54:21 ACTION: unassigned investigate making examples from 15 Dec 2008 email available to W3C for direct reference in spec 14:54:21 Sorry, couldn't find user - unassigned 14:55:29 sean: in text suggested, 'as smooth as possible, e.g., ...'; replace with 'as smooth as possible, in the case of a single line scroll up, it should follow CEA-608...' 14:57:20 end of agenda 14:57:29 sean: meeting adjourned 14:57:35 -geoff 14:57:36 -glenn 14:57:41 -mike 14:57:48 -sean 14:57:49 SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has ended 14:57:49 Attendees were glenn, sean, +1.617.300.aaaa, mike, geoff 14:57:53 trackbot, end meeting 14:57:53 Zakim, list attendees 14:57:53 sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is 14:58:01 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 14:58:01 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/07-tt-minutes.html trackbot 14:58:02 RRSAgent, bye 14:58:02 I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/07-tt-actions.rdf : 14:58:02 ACTION: glenn to investigate correctness of 9.3.3 (7) w.r.t. XSL-FO semantics, and report back to WG [1] 14:58:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/07-tt-irc#T14-14-21 14:58:02 ACTION: sean to create a new, separate issue for CP2 (extent/origin) [2] 14:58:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/07-tt-irc#T14-17-28 14:58:02 ACTION: glenn to verify whether XSL-FO semantics of absolutely positioned block container is in relation to 'page' (i.e., root container in TTML terms) [3] 14:58:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/07-tt-irc#T14-25-17 14:58:02 ACTION: glenn to implement proosed changes from ACTION-68 into 9.3.2 of 1.0 2nd Ed. [4] 14:58:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/07-tt-irc#T14-40-17 14:58:02 ACTION: geoff to investigate making examples from 15 Dec 2008 email available to W3C for direct reference in spec [5] 14:58:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/07-tt-irc#T14-52-19 14:58:02 ACTION: unassigned investigate making examples from 15 Dec 2008 email available to W3C for direct reference in spec [6] 14:58:02 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/06/07-tt-irc#T14-54-21