IRC log of webfonts on 2012-06-06

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Zakim, this will be 3668
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Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 06 June 2012
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Chair: Vlad
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Scribe: Chris
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ScribeNick: ChrisL
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19:57:50 [ChrisL]
sergeym, thanks for subbmitting the IE10 results
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hoping this might be a short call because of those
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19:58:52 [ChrisL]
zakim, code?
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the conference code is 3668 (tel:+1.617.761.6200, ChrisL
19:58:53 [sergeym]
No problem
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291 of 291 required tests meet CR exit criteria.
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CR exit criteria have been met.
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20:00:56 [Vlad]
Chris, are you coming back?
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20:02:20 [ChrisL]
zakim, who is noisy?
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ChrisL, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: tal (44%), ChrisL (5%), Vlad (23%)
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+ +1.650.253.aaaa
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zakim, aaaa is Raph
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+Raph; got it
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Topic: UA Test Suite results
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See for the latest updates
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291 of 291 required tests meet CR exit criteria.
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CR exit criteria have been met.
20:05:28 [ChrisL]
I added results from Chrome 19 today
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also the latest Opera beta (no change unfortunately)
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20:06:39 [ChrisL]
Vlad: first order of business is updated UA results
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Raph: the chromium bug strictly check table padding
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Vlad: we have met the CR exit criteria
20:09:06 [ChrisL]
ChrisL; added Chrome 19 and Opera 12 beta rwsults, plus Microsoft sent in the IE10/Win8 results
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ChrisL: the advantage of making no changes is we avoid another last call
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Vlad: maybe we can raise the issue with the OT spec folks to get 'highly recommended' changed to 'mist' in line with the implementations
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sergeym: agree
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Vlad: most impls expect that anyway
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... some will reject a font that has no last-table padding
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tal: who knows what is in the Apple sfnt parser?
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20:13:06 [ChrisL]
=== quote ===
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This Chromium bug tracks the recent update to OTS to make it fully comply with the W3C spec for strictly checking table padding.
20:13:07 [ChrisL]
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I believe this make the implementation comply with the spec, so hopefully there are no further issues.
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=== /quote ===
20:13:34 [ChrisL]
Vlad (explains email list)
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ChrisL: so this gives a more strict path for the WOFF path
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Raph: yes
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Raph: could revisit if OT spec changes
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(discussion on how many OT fonts in the wild miss trailing padding)
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Raph: older fonts more likely to be brioken
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jfkthame: pathc is identical to one i did for Firefox, to make it pass the same test case.
20:18:41 [ChrisL]
jfkthame: so if that goes into OTS upstream we will inherit it
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Raph: can unblock WOFF and make OT more strict later
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jfkthame: would still be slow to reject as known fonts that would break. Stricter spec still a good thing longer term
20:20:19 [ChrisL]
Resolved: move WOFF 1.0 to Proposed Recommendation
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rrsagent, here
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20:20:38 [ChrisL]
topic: review proposed draft charter
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"This proposed charter adds the evaluation of, and (if favourable) the standardisation of, this new method or some variation on it, as a deliverable of the existing WebFonts Working Group. "
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jfkthame: at first glance this looks reasonable
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Vlad: (explains original and new draft charters)
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Raph: milestones still show a WOFF 2.0
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... so standardisation is in scope
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... totally fine with that change
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... hope more people do their own tests, like CPU usage on mobile
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.. now on Android team btw, which does not imply any problem with the Fonts group - but more focus on fonts for mobile
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... in favour of careful evaluation and consideration of alternatives. Not set in stone. Better alternatives, or unforseen problems, should be addressed
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Vlad: still Google's rep to this WG?
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Raph: yes
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... definitely have time allocation for W3C standards work
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Vlad; so we think the charter is good, then we can go forward to AC review
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ChrisL: (explains process)
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Vlad: ensure we get adequate responses over summer, and all set for TPAC
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sylvaing: any f2f vewfore tpac?
20:30:43 [ChrisL]
Vlad: no
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Vlad; more likelyy one f2f a year plus mostly online
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ChrisL: when will this patch start showing up in Chrome and Safari?
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Raph: likey to ship in Chroime within 12 weeks, and canary version in 6 weeks.
20:33:36 [ChrisL]
... safari I don't know
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... and does not use OTS AFAIK
20:34:16 [ChrisL]
.... use own code for that. OTS is a separate repo
20:35:48 [ChrisL]
ChrisL: unfortunate that Opera not present, believe they use it also
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Raph: should show up in nightlies in next day or two
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... Tab could say more
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ChrisL: the IE10 needs a Win8 preview?
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sylvaing: can run in a VM
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Vlad: Raph we are on IRC as well as on the phone
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zakim, list participants
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As of this point the attendees have been [Microsoft], ChrisL, Vlad, sylvaing, tal, +1.650.253.aaaa, Raph, jfkthame, +1.408.536.aabb
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cslye: who will be at Typecon?
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Raph: no
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cslye: just curious
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20:42:09 [raph]
hi all!
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i'll make sure to use this next call
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Hi Raph
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IA_Fonts()4:00PM has ended
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Attendees were [Microsoft], ChrisL, Vlad, sylvaing, tal, +1.650.253.aaaa, Raph, jfkthame, +1.408.536.aabb
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