19:56:59 RRSAgent has joined #webfonts 19:56:59 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-webfonts-irc 19:57:01 RRSAgent, make logs world 19:57:01 Zakim has joined #webfonts 19:57:03 Zakim, this will be 3668 19:57:03 ok, trackbot; I see IA_Fonts()4:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes 19:57:04 Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference 19:57:04 Date: 06 June 2012 19:57:12 Chair: Vlad 19:57:21 Scribe: Chris 19:57:29 ScribeNick: ChrisL 19:57:30 sergeym has joined #webfonts 19:57:38 Vlad has joined #webfonts 19:57:50 sergeym, thanks for subbmitting the IE10 results 19:58:08 hoping this might be a short call because of those 19:58:30 IA_Fonts()4:00PM has now started 19:58:37 +[Microsoft] 19:58:52 zakim, code? 19:58:52 the conference code is 3668 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ChrisL 19:58:53 No problem 19:59:11 +ChrisL 19:59:20 -[Microsoft] 19:59:23 +Vlad 19:59:23 http://w3c-test.org/framework/results/woff-ua/ 19:59:38 291 of 291 required tests meet CR exit criteria. 19:59:38 CR exit criteria have been met. 19:59:40 +[Microsoft] 20:00:12 -ChrisL 20:00:56 Chris, are you coming back? 20:01:12 +sylvaing 20:01:15 +ChrisL 20:01:22 tal has joined #webfonts 20:01:50 sylvaing has joined #webfonts 20:01:53 +tal 20:02:20 zakim, who is noisy? 20:02:31 ChrisL, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: tal (44%), ChrisL (5%), Vlad (23%) 20:02:55 + +1.650.253.aaaa 20:03:15 zakim, aaaa is Raph 20:03:15 +Raph; got it 20:03:32 jfkthame has joined #webfonts 20:04:55 Topic: UA Test Suite results 20:04:59 See http://w3c-test.org/framework/results/woff-ua/ for the latest updates 20:05:12 291 of 291 required tests meet CR exit criteria. 20:05:12 CR exit criteria have been met. 20:05:28 I added results from Chrome 19 today 20:05:49 also the latest Opera beta (no change unfortunately) 20:05:50 +jfkthame 20:06:39 Vlad: first order of business is updated UA results 20:07:14 Raph: the chromium bug strictly check table padding 20:08:13 Vlad: we have met the CR exit criteria 20:09:06 ChrisL; added Chrome 19 and Opera 12 beta rwsults, plus Microsoft sent in the IE10/Win8 results 20:10:43 ChrisL: the advantage of making no changes is we avoid another last call 20:11:15 Vlad: maybe we can raise the issue with the OT spec folks to get 'highly recommended' changed to 'mist' in line with the implementations 20:11:27 sergeym: agree 20:11:40 Vlad: most impls expect that anyway 20:12:05 ... some will reject a font that has no last-table padding 20:12:24 tal: who knows what is in the Apple sfnt parser? 20:12:32 (no-one) 20:13:06 === quote === 20:13:07 This Chromium bug tracks the recent update to OTS to make it fully comply with the W3C spec for strictly checking table padding. 20:13:07 http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=109813 20:13:07 I believe this make the implementation comply with the spec, so hopefully there are no further issues. 20:13:13 === /quote === 20:13:34 Vlad (explains email list) 20:15:22 ChrisL: so this gives a more strict path for the WOFF path 20:15:26 Raph: yes 20:15:46 + +1.408.536.aabb 20:16:14 cslye has joined #webfonts 20:16:51 Raph: could revisit if OT spec changes 20:17:15 (discussion on how many OT fonts in the wild miss trailing padding) 20:17:31 Raph: older fonts more likely to be brioken 20:18:13 jfkthame: pathc is identical to one i did for Firefox, to make it pass the same test case. 20:18:41 jfkthame: so if that goes into OTS upstream we will inherit it 20:19:03 Raph: can unblock WOFF and make OT more strict later 20:19:29 jfkthame: would still be slow to reject as known fonts that would break. Stricter spec still a good thing longer term 20:20:19 Resolved: move WOFF 1.0 to Proposed Recommendation 20:20:25 rrsagent, here 20:20:25 See http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-webfonts-irc#T20-20-25 20:20:38 topic: review proposed draft charter 20:20:59 http://www.w3.org/2012/06/WebFonts/draft-charter.html 20:21:27 "This proposed charter adds the evaluation of, and (if favourable) the standardisation of, this new method or some variation on it, as a deliverable of the existing WebFonts Working Group. " 20:21:38 jfkthame: at first glance this looks reasonable 20:21:51 Vlad: (explains original and new draft charters) 20:23:23 Raph: milestones still show a WOFF 2.0 20:23:33 ... so standardisation is in scope 20:23:41 ... totally fine with that change 20:24:04 ... hope more people do their own tests, like CPU usage on mobile 20:24:53 .. now on Android team btw, which does not imply any problem with the Fonts group - but more focus on fonts for mobile 20:25:44 ... in favour of careful evaluation and consideration of alternatives. Not set in stone. Better alternatives, or unforseen problems, should be addressed 20:26:05 Vlad: still Google's rep to this WG? 20:26:08 Raph: yes 20:26:50 ... definitely have time allocation for W3C standards work 20:27:28 Vlad; so we think the charter is good, then we can go forward to AC review 20:28:36 ChrisL: (explains process) 20:30:02 Vlad: ensure we get adequate responses over summer, and all set for TPAC 20:30:39 sylvaing: any f2f vewfore tpac? 20:30:43 Vlad: no 20:30:52 s/vef/bef/ 20:31:02 s/vew/bef/ 20:31:20 Vlad; more likelyy one f2f a year plus mostly online 20:31:31 s/;/:/g 20:33:03 ChrisL: when will this patch start showing up in Chrome and Safari? 20:33:28 Raph: likey to ship in Chroime within 12 weeks, and canary version in 6 weeks. 20:33:36 ... safari I don't know 20:33:49 ... and does not use OTS AFAIK 20:34:16 .... use own code for that. OTS is a separate repo 20:35:48 ChrisL: unfortunate that Opera not present, believe they use it also 20:36:03 Raph: should show up in nightlies in next day or two 20:36:14 ... Tab could say more 20:37:04 ChrisL: the IE10 needs a Win8 preview? 20:37:17 sylvaing: can run in a VM 20:37:43 Vlad: Raph we are on IRC as well as on the phone 20:38:21 zakim, list participants 20:38:21 As of this point the attendees have been [Microsoft], ChrisL, Vlad, sylvaing, tal, +1.650.253.aaaa, Raph, jfkthame, +1.408.536.aabb 20:39:26 cslye: who will be at Typecon? 20:39:43 Raph: no 20:39:56 cslye: just curious 20:40:44 http://www.typecon.com/ 20:41:39 raph has joined #webfonts 20:42:09 hi all! 20:42:15 i'll make sure to use this next call 20:42:18 Hi Raph 20:42:22 (adjourned) 20:42:28 rrsagent, make minutes 20:42:28 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL 20:42:34 - +1.408.536.aabb 20:42:36 -tal 20:42:37 -ChrisL 20:42:38 -Raph 20:42:38 -Vlad 20:42:39 -[Microsoft] 20:42:39 -sylvaing 20:42:41 -jfkthame 20:42:41 IA_Fonts()4:00PM has ended 20:42:44 Attendees were [Microsoft], ChrisL, Vlad, sylvaing, tal, +1.650.253.aaaa, Raph, jfkthame, +1.408.536.aabb 20:42:45 cslye has left #webfonts