13:28:40 RRSAgent has joined #rd 13:28:40 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-rd-irc 13:28:42 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:28:44 Zakim, this will be 7394 13:28:44 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes 13:28:45 Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference 13:28:45 Date: 06 June 2012 13:28:49 zakim, please clear the agenda 13:28:49 agenda cleared 13:29:00 Chair: Harper_Simon 13:29:00 Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper] 13:29:00 Agenda+ Mobile Topic Update + Open Registration [sharper] 13:29:01 Agenda+ 'Text Customization' + 'Easy to Read' Reprise - WAI GC Report/Comments & RDWG final decision [sharper] 13:29:01 Agenda+ 'Text Customization' - Online Symposia | Pre-Call - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Topic_3_pre-call [shawn] 13:29:01 Agenda+ Current W3C Note Status [shadi] 13:29:03 Agenda+ Timelines / Schedule to 30th June 2013 [sharper] 13:29:04 Yehya has joined #rd 13:29:05 Agenda+ Issues and Actions (Standing Item): https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/ [sharper] 13:29:08 Agenda+ Any Other Business (Standing Item) [sharper] 13:29:12 zakim, save agenda 13:29:18 ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-rd-agenda.rdf 13:29:19 zakim, take up item 1 13:29:20 agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper] 13:29:56 WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started 13:30:03 +Shawn 13:30:34 +??P2 13:30:36 zakim, ??P2 is sharper 13:30:36 +sharper; got it 13:30:38 peter has joined #rd 13:30:40 giorgio has joined #rd 13:30:58 +??P1 13:31:05 zakim, ??P1 is me 13:31:05 +vivienne; got it 13:31:22 regrets+ O'Connor_Joshue 13:31:30 zakim, mute me 13:31:30 vivienne should now be muted 13:31:33 +Shadi 13:31:40 markel has joined #rd 13:31:42 +??P5 13:31:53 +??P6 13:32:03 Zakim, ??P6 is me 13:32:03 +peter; got it 13:32:07 you bet 13:32:11 Zakim, mute me 13:32:11 peter should now be muted 13:32:17 hello all :-) 13:32:25 lol 13:32:29 (it works … :) 13:32:32 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:32:32 On the phone I see Shawn, sharper, vivienne (muted), Shadi, ??P5, peter (muted) 13:32:50 zakim, ??p5 is Klaus 13:32:50 +Klaus; got it 13:33:04 +??P4 13:33:30 zakim, ??P4 is markel 13:33:30 +markel; got it 13:33:32 klaus has joined #rd 13:34:05 I did either last week or the week before 13:34:10 I don't mind scribing - I just worry about my connection (seams ok so far though) 13:34:25 christos has joined #rd 13:34:38 +??P7 13:34:56 +??P8 13:35:10 yeliz has joined #rd 13:35:13 ??p7 is giorgio 13:35:22 zakim, ??P7 is me 13:35:22 +christos; got it 13:35:51 zakim, ??P8 is me 13:35:51 +christos; got it 13:35:52 zakim, christos is giorgio 13:35:53 +giorgio; got it 13:36:04 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:36:04 On the phone I see Shawn (muted), sharper, vivienne (muted), Shadi, Klaus, peter (muted), markel, giorgio, christos.a 13:36:16 zakim, scribe giorgio 13:36:16 I don't understand 'scribe giorgio', giorgio 13:36:29 Scribe: Giorgio 13:36:32 how d I tell zakim i'm the scriber 13:36:34 ? 13:36:39 zakim, mute me 13:36:39 christos.a should now be muted 13:36:44 ok thanks 13:37:00 zakim, mute me 13:37:00 Shadi should now be muted 13:37:03 zakim, mute me 13:37:03 Klaus should now be muted 13:37:12 agenda? 13:37:30 zakim, close item 1 13:37:30 agendum 1, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), closed 13:37:30 zakim, take up item 2 13:37:32 I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 13:37:32 2. Mobile Topic Update + Open Registration [from sharper] 13:37:32 agendum 2. "Mobile Topic Update + Open Registration" taken up [from sharper] 13:38:33 sh: discussion on papers for te mobile webminar took place; 5 papers were accepted 13:38:54 sh: there is also a proposed format for the webinar 13:39:54 sh: yeliz is going to be the chair for he symposium; simon and shadi will be managing zakim; peter will take care of questions 13:40:47 sh: the format is www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile_Accessibility#SYmposium_Format 13:40:54 ack me 13:41:08 +??P9 13:41:52 yeliz has joined #rd 13:41:58 saz: shadi would like to be the interface with the system handling registration, assign an ID to participants, to start the call 13:42:09 zakim, mute me 13:42:09 sorry, yeliz, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 13:42:53 can anybody help me with zakim? 13:43:21 last tiem announcement: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2011OctDec/0120.html 13:43:37 ??p9 is yeliz 13:43:37 zakim, ??P9 is yeliz 13:43:37 +yeliz; got it 13:43:44 zakim, mute me 13:43:44 yeliz should now be muted 13:43:47 ack me 13:43:48 -christos.a 13:43:54 Thank you, Shawn 13:44:01 sh: how is the registration handled? 13:44:02 +??P8 13:44:15 zakim, ??P8 is me 13:44:15 +christos; got it 13:44:30 saz: shadi and shawn will manage it by sending out a message 13:44:31 previous registration announcement: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2011OctDec/0120.html 13:44:40 http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2012/mobile/ 13:44:50 q+ to suggest a 10+ minute beforehand to get people connected, setup, etc. 13:45:02 zakim, who is making noise? 13:45:12 Zakim, mute me 13:45:12 peter was already muted, peter 13:45:13 shawn, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: christos (45%) 13:45:28 zakim, mute christos 13:45:28 christos should now be muted 13:45:35 zakim, mute me 13:45:35 christos was already muted, christos 13:46:02 sh: to sort out the agenda for the webinar, announcements, acceptance of papers, etc 13:46:31 saz: ideally tonight we could announce the program of the webinar 13:46:42 around 2 hours 13:47:19 http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile_Accessibility#Symposium_Format 13:47:32 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2011OctDec/0120.html 13:47:34 I agree with simon 13:47:38 according to our initial plan 13:47:41 ack me 13:47:41 shawn, you wanted to suggest a 10+ minute beforehand to get people connected, setup, etc. 13:47:41 would be nice to have the extra buffer time .5 hours 13:47:43 it will be less than 2 hours 13:47:46 but just in case 13:47:58 no paper presentation 13:48:52 time boxing is always nice to keep focus 13:48:53 shawn: I thought there would be more Q&A than paper presentations 13:49:33 committee has comments on papers 13:49:45 in OpenConf 13:49:52 q+ 13:49:55 sh: nobody from the scientific committee submitted papers 13:50:12 zakim, mute me 13:50:12 Shawn should now be muted 13:50:13 q- 13:50:20 q+ 13:50:23 q+ 13:50:30 q+ 13:50:36 ack g 13:50:44 -christos 13:51:17 +??P8 13:51:20 zakim, ??P8 is me 13:51:20 +christos; got it 13:51:36 zakim, mute me 13:51:36 christos should now be muted 13:51:43 zakim, unmute yeliz 13:51:43 yeliz should no longer be muted 13:51:50 http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile_Accessibility#Symposium_Format 13:52:07 ack y 13:52:11 sh: the format is that of a panel; authors will be asked to discuss some questions, not giving presentationso fo the papers 13:52:33 q+ 13:53:09 q+ 13:53:14 thank you yeliz 13:53:19 zakim, mute yeliz 13:53:19 yeliz should now be muted 13:53:40 Please edit the wiki page 13:53:49 so we can use it for the following symposiums 13:54:18 giorgio: I suggest involving the authors earlier than the start and ask them to think of questions to pose to other presenters 13:54:26 q- 13:54:35 ack me 13:54:37 ack p 13:54:49 peter, I can't hear you 13:54:50 ack me 13:54:51 zakim, mute me 13:54:51 peter should now be muted 13:54:59 http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Mobile_Accessibility#Symposium_Format 13:55:20 giorgio: sorry - my question was unrelated to the current topic - so postponed 13:55:56 +1 to the format 13:55:59 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2011OctDec/0120.html 13:56:04 we can also possibly shorten 15 minutes to 10 minutes 13:56:14 if we want to shorten the symposium duration 13:56:26 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/metrics-registration/ 13:56:26 but I think having 15 minutes will give us flexibility 13:56:44 yeliz, you could assume 15 as the maximum time. 13:57:24 UK time 13:57:25 ? 13:57:37 15:00? UK time? 16:00? 13:57:40 OK 13:58:17 I think that is great idea 13:58:31 RESOLUTION: mobile accessibility symposium on 25 June at 15:00-17:00 UTC 13:58:33 +1 to asking for questions on the regirstation form 13:58:39 sh: it would be good to ask registrants to pose during registration their own question 13:58:40 +1 13:58:43 +1 13:58:46 +1 13:58:52 action: shadi to add question for participants to suggest questions to the questionnaire 13:58:52 Created ACTION-27 - Add question for participants to suggest questions to the questionnaire [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2012-06-13]. 13:58:53 +1 13:59:26 +1 13:59:32 +1 13:59:42 +1 13:59:45 Shadi, can you email us the updated version of the symposiu 13:59:45 +1 13:59:46 m 13:59:48 ack me 13:59:50 and we can get back to you 13:59:54 saz: please give me or shawn feedback about the announcement message 13:59:56 wouldn't that be OK? 14:00:02 saz: by tonight 14:00:18 +Yehya 14:00:35 zakim, mute me 14:00:35 Shawn should now be muted 14:00:52 saz: on Monday the announcement will be sent out 14:00:59 me too 14:01:00 +1 14:01:09 +1 14:01:09 sure 14:01:12 That sounds great 14:01:15 +1 14:01:16 +1 14:01:47 I think that would be great 14:01:48 saz: shall we decide the accepted papers? 14:02:47 sh: 5 papers will be accepted; 1 is rejected 14:02:56 +1 14:02:59 yup 14:03:24 sh: as soon SH sends the outcome to authors shadi can go on 14:03:30 zakim, close item 2 14:03:30 agendum 2, Mobile Topic Update + Open Registration, closed 14:03:31 I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:03:31 3. 'Text Customization' + 'Easy to Read' Reprise - WAI GC Report/Comments & RDWG final decision [from sharper] 14:03:34 zakim, mute me 14:03:34 Shadi should now be muted 14:03:37 zakim, take up item 3 14:03:37 agendum 3. "'Text Customization' + 'Easy to Read' Reprise - WAI GC Report/Comments & RDWG final decision" taken up [from sharper] 14:04:06 sh: summary of what happened last week 14:04:52 sh: there is going to be a strong connection between the two topics 14:05:44 sh: there is like a 25% overlap between the 2 topics 14:06:36 sh: we could release the text customization pre-call without having to wait for the e2r one 14:06:39 ack me 14:07:17 zakim, mute me 14:07:17 Shadi should now be muted 14:07:37 zakim, unmute me 14:07:37 Klaus should no longer be muted 14:08:55 klaus: I prefer to deal first with text customization, which will have implictions on e2r 14:09:08 http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Topic_3_pre-call 14:09:08 ack me 14:09:14 zakim, mute me 14:09:14 Klaus should now be muted 14:09:17 shawn: i'm fine 14:09:25 -yeliz 14:09:39 sh: shoud the precall go out as it is now written? 14:10:21 q+ 14:10:59 sh: sh: please read the precall draft 14:11:32 sounds good to me 14:11:36 Quick question about the pre-call 14:11:37 good for me 14:11:38 ack me 14:11:42 ok by me 14:12:09 +1 14:12:22 saz: papers should me no more than 1000 words; shall we say we want "extended abstracts"? 14:12:31 "This pre-call for papers provides some information; more details will follow in the coming weeks." just a reminder not to forget to come back to this bit :-) 14:12:36 ack me 14:12:48 shawn: we could take that out alltogether 14:13:15 q+ 14:13:40 q+ to talk about pointer to related e2r symposium 14:14:00 gb: suggests to say "extended abstract of about 1000 words" 14:14:18 q+ 14:14:23 q- 14:14:27 q- later 14:14:30 q+ 14:14:34 q- later 14:14:46 shawn: the goal is to communicate that we don't want full papers 14:14:55 ack me 14:15:04 yeliz has joined #rd 14:15:38 vivienne: as an author I'd like to know how long the thing has to be 14:16:12 ack me 14:16:13 vivienne: short paper is too ambiguous 14:16:13 zakim, mute me 14:16:14 vivienne should now be muted 14:16:16 +??P16 14:16:20 zakim, ??P16 is yeliz 14:16:20 +yeliz; got it 14:16:24 zakim, mute yeliz 14:16:24 yeliz should now be muted 14:16:27 peter: giorgio cannot hear you 14:16:34 Zakim, mute me 14:16:34 peter should now be muted 14:16:39 (unrelated perhaps) 14:16:40 "..guidance for user agent developers, standards developers, policy makers.." /standards developers/Web standards developers/ does this specificity have historical importance? 14:16:51 *he* may be :-) 14:17:16 What I mean is standards is quite broad 14:17:28 I worry about this in the mobile symposium also 14:17:46 So we are looking outside the W3 14:17:57 ah ok - nm then :-) 14:18:01 shawn: I is text customization covered by standards and how it could better handled by standards 14:18:15 yup good thanks Shawn 14:18:21 ack me 14:18:21 shadi, you wanted to talk about pointer to related e2r symposium 14:18:56 sh: what do say as a limit/guideline for authors? 14:19:01 approximately works for me 14:19:02 "Papers should be about 1000 words" 14:19:15 +1 14:19:16 saz: agrees with giorgio's formulation 14:19:17 +1 14:19:18 +1 14:19:19 OK with me 14:19:19 +1 14:19:20 +1 14:19:24 +1 14:19:24 +1 14:19:25 +1 14:19:25 +1 14:19:25 I prefer page numbers 14:19:29 but that's just me 14:19:30 :) 14:19:44 {@@draft new text:}Related topics may be addressed in additional symposia, such as easy-to-read (E2R) language; assistive technologies and personal assistance for text illustration and enrichment (e.g., text annotation with symbols, pictures, and multimedia content; audio display and information design); and text conversion and machine translation. 14:20:10 agree about mentioning other symposium in the tex 14:20:13 t 14:20:18 zakim, mute me 14:20:18 Shadi should now be muted 14:20:19 yes 14:20:26 saz: do we need to say that there will be a subsequent webinar on e2r 14:20:58 shawn: I'm going to post a rewritten sentence 14:21:20 Related topics will be addressed in a related symposium on Easy-to-Read (E2R) language, including \assistive technologies and personal assistance for text illustration and enrichment (e.g., text annotation with symbols, pictures, and multimedia content; audio display and information design); and text conversion and machine translation. 14:21:36 +1 14:21:40 +1 14:21:43 excellent 14:21:46 +1 14:21:52 +1 14:21:54 +1 14:21:54 +1 14:22:00 +1 14:23:09 sh: do we want to keep the dates as written there? 14:24:11 shawn: the current formulation gives us enough flexibility 14:24:22 +1 14:24:24 +1 14:24:24 +1 14:24:25 +1 14:24:26 +1 14:24:26 sh: is this precall ready to be distrubuted? 14:24:30 +1 14:24:38 +1 14:24:48 Just please update this before sending "This pre-call for papers provides some information; …" 14:24:49 +1 14:25:07 http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Distribution_Lists 14:25:56 zakim, unmute me 14:25:56 Klaus should no longer be muted 14:26:13 sh: how soon does klaus think the precall for e2r will be ready? 14:26:25 klaus: in a couple of weeks 14:26:30 zakim, mute me 14:26:30 Klaus should now be muted 14:26:37 ack me 14:26:54 sh: I won't be here next week; shadi will chair the next rdwg meeting 14:27:26 zakim, mute me 14:27:26 Shadi should now be muted 14:27:27 zakim, mute me 14:27:27 Shawn should now be muted 14:27:38 zakim, close item 3 14:27:38 agendum 3, 'Text Customization' + 'Easy to Read' Reprise - WAI GC Report/Comments & RDWG final decision, closed 14:27:40 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:27:40 4. 'Text Customization' - Online Symposia | Pre-Call - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Topic_3_pre-call [from shawn via sharper] 14:27:43 ack me 14:27:44 zakim, take up item 4 14:27:46 agendum 4. "'Text Customization' - Online Symposia | Pre-Call - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Topic_3_pre-call " taken up [from shawn via sharper] 14:28:07 zakim, close item 4 14:28:07 agendum 4, 'Text Customization' - Online Symposia | Pre-Call - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Topic_3_pre-call , closed 14:28:09 I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:28:09 5. Current W3C Note Status [from shadi via sharper] 14:28:16 zakim, take up item 5 14:28:16 agendum 5. "Current W3C Note Status" taken up [from shadi via sharper] 14:28:24 thank you shawn! 14:29:02 q+ 14:29:15 sh: if people could see what the output of a webinar is they could be persuaded to contribute to next ones 14:29:16 ack me 14:29:21 http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2011/metrics/ 14:29:44 saz: what people say to add a link to the editor draft in the previous page? 14:29:51 +1 to including link to editors' draft (clearly indicated) 14:29:57 +1 14:30:00 I'm happy about that 14:30:14 I'm okay with that 14:30:14 +1 14:30:17 +1 14:30:24 +1 14:30:28 +1 14:30:51 sh: are we going to add a list opf the participants to the webinar? 14:30:57 on the note there's a list of contributors 14:31:09 action: shadi to add Editor Note to the Metrics Symposium Page 14:31:09 Created ACTION-28 - Add Editor Note to the Metrics Symposium Page [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2012-06-13]. 14:31:18 [ i wonder if we need to get permission before listing participants? --if so, need to include that in the registration] 14:31:44 q 14:31:51 I agree we definetely need to get permissions 14:31:59 action: shadi to add question about agreement to publish name on the symposium page 14:31:59 Created ACTION-29 - Add question about agreement to publish name on the symposium page [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2012-06-13]. 14:32:24 q+ 14:32:30 Lets not do anything with the first one 14:32:36 q- 14:32:50 and for the following ones, we make sure that it is asked on the following symposium registrations 14:32:58