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14:59:34 RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:59:36 Zakim, this will be 2119
14:59:36 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 59 minutes ago
14:59:37 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:59:37 Date: 31 May 2012
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15:00:59 Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
15:00:59 Chair: Janina_Sajka
15:00:59 agenda+ Issue-204 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012May/0165.html
15:01:02 agenda+ Issue-201 & 205 Status http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012May/0164.html
15:01:05 agenda+ Issue-199 Updated http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ARIA_Processing
15:01:08 agenda+ Issue-194Consensus Call http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012May/0158.html
15:01:11 agenda+ Issue-31C Status
15:01:14 agenda+ Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; Text; ARIA Mappings
15:01:16 agenda+ Other Business
15:01:19 agenda+ Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
15:01:21 agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
15:01:24 agenda+ be done
15:02:00 zakim, who's on the phone?
15:02:07 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, janina
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15:02:23 zakim, this will be 2119
15:02:23 On IRC I see JF, Zakim, RRSAgent, janina, richardschwerdtfe, MikeSmith, davidb, MichaelC, trackbot, [tm]
15:02:59 ok, janina; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 62 minutes ago
15:03:49 +[Microsoft]
15:03:51 zakim, ??P50 is Janina_Sajka
15:04:21 +Janina_Sajka; got it
15:04:42 Zakim, call Mike
15:05:07 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:05:08 +Mike
15:05:22 zakim, ??P50 is Janina
15:05:24 I already had ??P50 as Janina_Sajka, JF
15:05:29 +Judy
15:05:45 scribe: Rich
15:06:15 meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Meeting
15:06:25 chair: janina
15:06:33 scribeNick: richardschwerdtfe
15:06:43 meeting: make log member
15:06:53 Topic: Issue 204
15:07:05 janina: has anyone been able to look at Steve's test page
15:07:14 janina: there are two competing change proposals
15:07:48 janina: The Ted/Jonas proposal regarding RFC 2119
15:08:09 q?
15:08:13 janina: I don't want to embarrass anyone
15:09:14 Judy: I don't think it is an embarrassment issue it is an information sharing issue.
15:09:45 Judy: I think it is a simple matter of information sharing or reminding. Yes, we had proposed that but that is not possible in this situation as we believed as well.
15:09:56 Judy: We had asked him to use the same consistency
15:09:57 Q+
15:10:44 JF: In the current change proposal that emerged from the F2F that authors should not be using hidden elements that used RFC 2119 language.
15:11:26 JF: Although we have RFC 2119 in the change proposal it puts the onus on the author in terms of RFC SHOULD but there is MAY language pertaining to the browser
15:11:37 JF: Jonas is half right and we are half right
15:12:12 JF: We want to make sure this referencing hidden content is right. There is a strong feeling that they don't want to link to external content
15:12:27 s/RFC SHOULD but/RFC SHOULD NOT but
15:12:49 janina: the issue was making RFC 2119 comments regarding ARIA markup and how it should be used
15:13:01 janina: are we being inconsistent there John?
15:13:16 JF: I don't think so. I could live with MAY
15:13:52 JF: Insisting that authors should or must is problematic.
15:14:00 q?
15:14:05 ack jf
15:14:08 JF: Cynthia's response was that MUST was not acceptable
15:14:19 JF: Cynthia would discuss SHOULD
15:14:53 janina: they are looking on SHOULD or MUST language
15:15:03 janina: we are not supportive of that
15:15:13 JF: I am not optimistic of a single proposal
15:16:30 q+
15:16:31 Judy: my understanding of the discussion is that since the effort to use that language in one place has been strongly objected by the chairs and that Sam has a follow up item on that
15:16:55 paulc: That follow up item is dependent on something Janina had to do
15:17:08 Judy: Janina did that last night
15:17:24 paulc: I must have missed it
15:17:45 Janina: to post a link
15:17:47 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012May/0165.html
15:18:12 meeting: makelog member
15:18:25 meeting: makelog public
15:18:45 paulc: neither Sam nor I are on the email
15:19:01 scribe: JF
15:19:24 JS: Asking Rich about Issue 205
15:19:59 PC: Question about whether Spec should give guidance on