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14:58:28 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
14:58:30 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:58:32 <r12a> hello somnath
14:58:32 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:58:32 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:58:33 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference
14:58:33 <trackbot> Date: 30 May 2012
14:58:49 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012May/0027.html
14:59:02 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:59:02 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
14:59:08 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
14:59:18 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minute
14:59:18 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minute', aphillip.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:59:21 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:59:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/30-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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15:01:33 <matial> zakim, ??p12 is me
15:01:33 <Zakim> +matial; got it
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15:01:55 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
15:02:13 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
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15:04:12 <aphillip> Regrets: David
15:04:34 <aphillip> Regrets: David, John
15:04:51 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda and Minutes
15:05:03 <Zakim> +??P20
15:05:11 <kojiishi> zakim, ??p20 is me
15:05:11 <Zakim> +kojiishi; got it
15:05:35 <aphillip> agenda+: use of mailing lists
15:05:44 <aphillip>  Topic: Action Items
15:06:27 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:06:54 <aphillip> ACTION-109: got reply and they will send information to this mailing list of draft
15:06:54 <trackbot> ACTION-109 Check about Korean layout task force notes added
15:07:01 <r12a> wow
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15:07:42 <aphillip> agenda+: Korean Layout Reqs
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15:08:13 <aphillip> close ACTION-121
15:08:13 <trackbot> ACTION-121 Ping non-WG members to look at Ruby document closed
15:08:26 <aphillip> ACTION-121: did that and then pinged again, no replies yet
15:08:26 <trackbot> ACTION-121 Ping non-WG members to look at Ruby document notes added
15:08:54 <aphillip> close ACTION-124
15:08:54 <trackbot> ACTION-124 Write an appropriately reworded email to ULI expressing concern about the SEGEMENTATION character closed
15:09:11 <aphillip> ACTION-124: some confusion on other end?
15:09:11 <trackbot> ACTION-124 Write an appropriately reworded email to ULI expressing concern about the SEGEMENTATION character notes added
15:10:26 <aphillip> close ACTION-129
15:10:26 <trackbot> ACTION-129 Write email to group and to martin explaining that we plan to track issues on winter list and to use winter list for more tracked discussions closed
15:10:36 <aphillip>  Topic: Info Share
15:10:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/30-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:10:59 <aphillip> Norbert: Ecma TC-39 reviews i18n draft
15:11:04 <aphillip> ... last week
15:11:09 <Norbert> https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/es-discuss/2012-May/022836.html
15:11:11 <aphillip> ... at a special meeting
15:11:18 <aphillip> ... minutes at link above
15:11:26 <aphillip> ... mostly approved, but made a few changes
15:11:33 <aphillip> ... LocaleList got removed
15:11:44 <aphillip> ... in favor of String[] of locales
15:12:07 <aphillip> ... an array of language tags
15:13:02 <aphillip> Norbert: also allow implementations to add values
15:13:09 <aphillip> ... notably time zones
15:13:33 <aphillip> ... some time soon there will be an update spec
15:13:48 <aphillip> Norbert: also discussed separately the UTF-16 proposal
15:13:59 <aphillip> ... to clarify that ES is based on UTF-16
15:14:12 <aphillip> ... updated proposal, accepted as on track for Harmony
15:14:19 <aphillip> ... should be official some time next year!
15:14:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/30-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:14:53 <aphillip> Norbert: so December of next year
15:15:34 <aphillip> Richard: received email from W3C india for a task force to look at Indic Layout Requirements
15:15:47 <aphillip> ... with proposed charter
15:16:49 <aphillip> koji: writing mode in UTR50
15:17:02 <somnath> q+
15:17:26 <aphillip> ... reported that japanese vendors will ship based on their own specs
15:17:39 <aphillip> ... so CSS WG will define own glyph orientation
15:19:34 <aphillip> ... telling UTC that we will define code points of interest to CJK
15:20:45 <somnath> q+
15:21:53 <aphillip> ... working with fantasai and communicating to UTC what differences we are creating
15:22:58 <aphillip> ack somnath
15:23:07 <somnath> q+
15:23:19 <aphillip> richard: how are we doing with writing modes spec?
15:23:55 <aphillip> koji: only a few issues left
15:23:57 <somnath> We need to get the indic task force working under intl core wg
15:24:23 <somnath> CSS req is ready for consideration
15:24:47 <aphillip> koji: could be 3-6 months on writing modes
15:26:13 <somnath> ok
15:27:22 <aphillip> Koji: also had review of CSS3 Text
15:27:26 <aphillip> ... two issues left
15:27:31 <aphillip> ... LC request shortly
15:28:00 <aphillip> Topic: mailing list usage
15:28:16 <aphillip> richard: changed tracker so it would track winter@ and public-core@
15:28:35 <aphillip> ... so have action to extend tracker onto other interest group list
15:28:42 <aphillip> s/list/lists/
15:28:47 <aphillip> ... Martin is okay with this
15:28:59 <aphillip> ... and then start moving our discussions onto www-international
15:29:08 <aphillip> ... can use public lists if we want to
15:29:23 <aphillip> ... issues don't always get visibility
15:30:22 <aphillip> addison: track comments on winter?
15:30:27 <aphillip> richard: yes, except MO
15:30:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/30-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:31:32 <aphillip> Norbert: why do we have two separate lists?
15:31:41 <aphillip> richard: historical reasons mainly
15:31:46 <aphillip> ... winter@ is the IG
15:31:59 <aphillip> ... and public@ is inside WG
15:32:33 <aphillip> ... was a time when folks could ask questions, etc... sort of like unicode list
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15:37:47 <aphillip> aharon: discussion of breaking up style@
15:38:02 <aphillip> ... public-i18n-bidi@ is public and many folks interested in that are on it
15:38:06 <aphillip> ... very useful
15:38:22 <aphillip> ... i.e. the isolates dicussion will take place there
15:40:37 <aphillip> richard: next step would be to announce this
15:40:45 <aphillip> ... which would include summary of our other lists
15:42:03 <aphillip> addison: how much longer on the chartering?
15:42:38 <aphillip> richard: can write into charter; some more time due to vacations... probably end of June
15:43:21 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: write to www-international, including decriptions of other lists from about page, announcing changes in our use of list
15:43:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-130 - Write to www-international, including decriptions of other lists from about page, announcing changes in our use of list [on Addison Phillips - due 2012-06-06].
15:43:57 <aphillip> Topic: Unicode Normalization in ECMAScript
15:44:09 <aphillip> http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=strawman:unicode_normalization
15:44:27 <aphillip> Norbert: ES standard says text is "assumed to be normalized"
15:44:38 <aphillip> ... no text is actually normalized
15:44:44 <aphillip> ... so change spec to say it isn't normalized
15:45:10 <aphillip> Norbert: other part is to add a normalization function to core
15:45:45 <aphillip> ... anyone could call (script or library)
15:46:50 <aphillip> Norbert: one place where its interesting is regex
15:47:37 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012May/0031.html
15:51:50 <r12a>    /matchthis/n
15:55:30 <r12a> ACTION: Richard to update the Activity about page etc to describe the adjusted use of the mailing lists and add information about tracker
15:55:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-131 - Update the Activity about page etc to describe the adjusted use of the mailing lists and add information about tracker [on Richard Ishida - due 2012-06-06].
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15:57:51 <aphillip> http://icu-project.org/apiref/icu4j/com/ibm/icu/text/Normalizer.html
15:58:04 <aphillip> http://icu-project.org/apiref/icu4c/classNormalizer2.html
16:00:27 <aphillip> addison: think this is the right thing to do; like the strawman
16:01:03 <aphillip> addison: WG intention is to remove CharModNorm to be consistent with this
16:01:16 <aphillip> s/remove/revise/
16:01:39 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
16:03:01 <aphillip> preferences for next week's meeting?
16:03:28 <aphillip> richard: potential regrets next week
16:04:03 <fsasaki> likely to have a conflict, not sure yet
16:04:04 <aphillip> norbert: announce what we'll review
16:05:44 <aphillip> richard: can we put ruby nearer the top
16:05:57 <aphillip> chair: Ruby documents to be main topic for next time
16:07:23 <aphillip> chair: scratch that: IRIs
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16:08:08 <Zakim> -matial
16:08:08 <Zakim> -Norbert
16:08:10 <Zakim> -kojiishi
16:08:20 <fsasaki> bye guys
16:08:39 <Zakim> -aharon
16:08:54 <naitik> ok
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16:09:40 <somnath> bye
16:13:40 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Richard, in I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM
16:13:42 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended
16:13:42 <Zakim> Attendees were Addison_Phillips, matial, aharon, Richard, Norbert, kojiishi
16:30:27 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
16:30:27 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/05/30-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:30:27 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: write to www-international, including decriptions of other lists from about page, announcing changes in our use of list [1]
16:30:27 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/05/30-i18n-irc#T15-43-21
16:30:27 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Richard to update the Activity about page etc to describe the adjusted use of the mailing lists and add information about tracker [2]
16:30:27 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/05/30-i18n-irc#T15-55-30
16:30:34 <aphillip> zakim, bye
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16:31:42 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, Norbert, Aharon, Mati, Koji
16:31:47 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:31:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/30-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:32:43 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
16:33:04 <aphillip> rrsagent, set logs world
16:33:17 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
16:33:17 <RRSAgent> I see no action items