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"status check on 194 (video transcript), 199 (aria processing), 203 (media descriptors), 204 (aria hidden)" taken up [from Judy] 17:09:29 JB: just want to review each 1 at a time, and cross off as required 17:09:35 194- transcript 17:09:41 scribe: janina 17:09:51 JF: Silivia made more modifications to the CP 17:09:56 jf: A modified proposal presented by Silvia overnight 17:09:59 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ISSUE-194/TranscriptElement 17:10:15 jf: Believe it addresses our requirements. 17:10:28 jf: Silvia has additional reqs also covered 17:11:11 jf: Includes support for "interactive" transcripts -- timed to sync better with video 17:11:41 jf: I'm comfortable with the approach in Silvia's CP 17:12:12 JS: will finishing reading it, and then issue a CfC to the larger TF later today 17:12:32 JB: don't need to go to friday, closing it on Thursday would work 17:12:58 JS: have 1 concern - hearing caption being used interchanged with transcript 17:13:06 not a substitute for caption 17:13:23 q+ 17:13:48 JF: suspect that silvia is being somewhat loose when she uses the 2 interchangably 17:14:06 JB: want to make sure that she is very clear - correct any confusion 17:14:21 JS: agreed, need to be clear there is a distinction 17:14:35 ack Judy 17:15:39 199: ARIA processing 17:15:39 JB: 199 Aria processing? 17:15:57 JS: was talking with m. cooper, but unsure of the status there 17:16:12 Michael and Ted need to coordinate and get it done 17:17:42 JB: pinging Michael for more details 17:17:44 agenda? 17:17:59 JB: Issue 203 media descriptors 17:18:34 Chairs have issued a Call for Counter Proposals - on them 17:18:39 JB Issue 204? 17:18:50 JS: will discuss on PF agenda tomorrow 17:18:52 204: ARIA Hidden 17:19:43 JS: appears that some want RFC 2119 recs on user agents in the spec 17:19:52 +Q 17:20:28 JS: seems they want SHOULD language on user agents that they must expose rich semantics to @hidden content 17:20:36 specifically aria-describedby 17:20:51 believes this is an overloading of aria-describedby 17:21:07 Michael, Rich, Janina believe so 17:21:41 ack JF 17:21:49 scribe: janina 17:22:09 jf: Feel they're trying to conclude longdesc without going to survey 17:22:22 jf: H5 isn't supposed to be telling ua's what to do 17:22:36 s/longdesc/204/ 17:22:46 jf: even an rfc2119 should would be wrong here 17:23:21 jf: I think we say "no." Let them prove why this language needs to be in the spec. 17:24:11 JB: there is a coordination call with Chairs 17:24:22 JS: want to ask them to rule this out of scope 17:25:01 be prepared to explain the concern. See if we require a formal request about this 17:25:41 JS: previously there was a strong request against or earlier CP that used RFC language against user-agents earlier 17:26:18 [searching for minutes of the Friday may 5th F2F for this] 17:29:14 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2012May/att-0021/minutes-2012-05-03-aliases.txt 17:33:04 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2012May/att-0021/minutes-2012-05-03.txt 17:39:39 [discussion of the use of RFC 2119 language] 17:43:24 Summary: 204/ARIA Hidden/current discussion is out of scope; 203/Media Descriptors/in CRC from H5CCs; 199:ARIA Processing/pending Michael & Ted; 194:transcript/Janina do TF CfC, (still expecting counterproposal from Ted) 17:43:42 agenda? 17:43:52 zakim, close item 11 17:43:52 agendum 11, status check on 194 (video transcript), 199 (aria processing), 203 (media descriptors), 204 (aria hidden), closed 17:43:54 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:43:54 12. Issue 31c: "Generator Exception" feedback on additional info requested [from Judy] 17:43:58 zakim, take up next item 17:43:58 agendum 12. "Issue 31c: "Generator Exception" feedback on additional info requested" taken up [from Judy] 17:45:14 JB: Status - met with Mike Smith to review CP, with all points that Sam replied to 17:45:36 Mike Smith had some new evidence on this 17:48:01 the fact that the transition from 4 to 5, especially with authoring tools, will be significant and during that time the new exception will have a negative impact on current and legacy content 17:48:37 considering this as new evidence 17:50:39 Mike and Judy have divided the other issues/requirements for responses - will require a few more days to finalize 17:53:38 JS: suspect that some think that it is too late to do anything here: we need to continue to note how serious this is. 17:54:05 zakim, close this item 17:54:05 agendum 12 closed 17:54:06 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:54:06 13. Issue 31b, Buggy Alts & Guidance: next steps [from Judy] 17:54:12 zakim, take up next 17:54:12 agendum 13. "Issue 31b, Buggy Alts & Guidance: next steps" taken up [from Judy] 17:54:26 JS: are we still waiting on David mcDonald here? 17:54:42 will send him an email - believe next actions were on him 17:54:57 JB: help him focus on what exactly we need 17:55:27 suspect not much left to do, but it needs to be clearly outlined 17:55:37 next step on JS to work with David here 17:55:45 zakim, next item 17:55:45 agendum 14. 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