13:58:36 RRSAgent has joined #gld 13:58:36 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/05/24-gld-irc 13:58:38 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:58:38 Zakim has joined #gld 13:58:40 Zakim, this will be GLD 13:58:40 ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started 13:58:41 Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference 13:58:41 Date: 24 May 2012 13:58:41 + +1.202.566.aaaa 13:58:57 + +33.4.93.00.aabb 13:59:04 zakim, aaaa is mikependleton 13:59:04 +mikependleton; got it 14:00:21 BartvanLeeuwen has joined #gld 14:00:29 +cygri 14:00:35 Zakim, I am cygri 14:00:35 ok, mhausenblas, I now associate you with cygri 14:00:40 Mike_P has joined #gld 14:00:43 Zakim, cygri is with me 14:00:43 +cygri; got it 14:01:10 PhilA2 has joined #gld 14:01:41 +??P28 14:01:49 martin has joined #gld 14:01:52 Zakim, ??p28 is me 14:01:52 +BartvanLeeuwen; got it 14:02:14 olyerickson has joined #gld 14:02:24 +??P27 14:02:26 I'll be joining in a sec... 14:02:27 boris has joined #gld 14:02:34 zakim, ??p27 is me 14:02:34 +martin; got it 14:02:40 zakim, mute me 14:02:40 martin should now be muted 14:03:06 gatemezi has joined #gld 14:03:09 +??P29 14:03:11 + +49.721.aacc 14:03:19 +??P36 14:03:22 zakim, +??P29 is boris 14:03:22 sorry, boris, I do not recognize a party named '+??P29' 14:03:40 ??P36 is me 14:03:47 +Sandro 14:03:59 scribenick boris 14:04:02 csarven has joined #gld 14:04:03 Zakim, who is here? 14:04:03 Zakim ??P36 is me 14:04:08 On the phone I see bhyland, mikependleton, +33.4.93.00.aabb, cygri, BartvanLeeuwen, martin (muted), +49.721.aacc, ??P29, ??P36, Sandro 14:04:14 Greetings and salutations 14:04:16 cygri has cygri, cygri 14:04:18 bhyland: talking about next events 14:04:27 Zakim, ??P36 is me. 14:04:28 On IRC I see csarven, gatemezi, boris, olyerickson, martin, PhilA2, Mike_P, BartvanLeeuwen, Zakim, RRSAgent, cgueret_work, mhausenblas, bhyland, cygri, trackbot, sandro 14:04:34 zakim, who is on the call? 14:04:40 +olyerickson; got it 14:04:41 Biplav has joined #gld 14:04:45 zakim, who is here? 14:04:50 On the phone I see bhyland, mikependleton, +33.4.93.00.aabb, cygri, BartvanLeeuwen, martin (muted), +49.721.aacc, ??P29, olyerickson, Sandro 14:04:53 cygri has cygri, cygri 14:04:55 France? 14:04:56 Zakim, +33.4.93.00.aabb is me 14:04:57 Biplav has joined on IRC. 14:04:59 mute me 14:05:05 On the phone I see bhyland, mikependleton, +33.4.93.00.aabb, cygri, BartvanLeeuwen, martin (muted), +49.721.aacc, ??P29, olyerickson, Sandro 14:05:13 cygri has cygri, cygri 14:05:15 Zakim, mute me. 14:05:16 germany 14:05:19 Zakim, who is here? 14:05:26 Zakim, I'm with mhausenblas 14:05:28 +gatemezi; got it 14:05:43 Zakim, I'm with cygri 14:05:45 On IRC I see Biplav, csarven, gatemezi, boris, olyerickson, martin, PhilA2, Mike_P, BartvanLeeuwen, Zakim, RRSAgent, cgueret_work, mhausenblas, bhyland, cygri, trackbot, sandro 14:05:49 zakim, aacc is Benedikt 14:05:53 olyerickson should now be muted 14:05:56 On the phone I see bhyland, mikependleton, gatemezi, cygri, BartvanLeeuwen, martin (muted), +49.721.aacc, ??P29, olyerickson (muted), Sandro 14:06:05 cygri has cygri, cygri 14:06:09 sorry, csarven, I do not recognize a party named 'mhausenblas' 14:06:23 +csarven; got it 14:06:28 +Benedikt; got it 14:06:35 On IRC I see Biplav, csarven, gatemezi, boris, olyerickson, martin, PhilA2, Mike_P, BartvanLeeuwen, Zakim, RRSAgent, cgueret_work, mhausenblas, bhyland, cygri, trackbot, sandro 14:06:36 topic: last meeting minutes 14:06:51 BenediktKaempgen has joined #gld 14:06:55 Zakim, I am mhausenblas 14:06:57 las 14:06:59 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-05-17 14:07:07 zakim, who's here? 14:07:10 sorry, mhausenblas, I do not see a party named 'mhausenblas' 14:07:11 zakim, ??P29 is me 14:07:12 Scribe: boris 14:07:14 On the phone I see bhyland, mikependleton, gatemezi, cygri, BartvanLeeuwen, martin (muted), Benedikt, ??P29, olyerickson (muted), Sandro 14:07:19 cygri has cygri, cygri, csarven 14:07:22 RESOLUTION: MINUTES ACCEPTED 14:07:23 +boris; got it 14:07:25 +1 14:07:26 +1 14:07:28 Propose to accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-05-17 14:07:28 Chair: bhyland 14:07:28 +1 14:07:29 On IRC I see BenediktKaempgen, Biplav, csarven, gatemezi, boris, olyerickson, martin, PhilA2, Mike_P, BartvanLeeuwen, Zakim, RRSAgent, cgueret_work, mhausenblas, bhyland, cygri, 14:07:29 zakim, cygri is mhausenblas 14:07:31 +1 14:07:32 ... trackbot, sandro 14:07:36 +mhausenblas; got it 14:07:48 zakim, i'm with mhausenblas 14:07:50 cygri was already listed in mhausenblas, cygri 14:08:00 zakim, csarven is with mhausenblas 14:08:01 TOPIC: Discuss any important and timely matters and opportunities to liaise with other WG/CG/IG 14:08:01 csarven was already listed in mhausenblas, cygri 14:08:12 rreck has joined #gld 14:08:27 bhyland: Provenance working group .... any reactions about their drafts 14:08:34 + +91.11.41.29.aadd 14:08:48 PROV: synchronized and ready for your input, see http://www.w3.org/blog/SW/2012/05/03/prov-synchronized-and-ready-for-your-input/ 14:09:00 The PROV ontology – an update, see http://www.w3.org/blog/SW/2012/05/04/the-prov-ontology-an-update/ 14:09:06 q? 14:09:09 What is new in the Fourth Working Draft of the PROV provenance model?, see http://www.w3.org/blog/SW/2012/05/03/what-is-new-in-the-fourth-working-draft-of-the-prov-provenance-model/ 14:09:36 bhyland: no comments to other groups? 14:09:44 ... let's focus on main agenda 14:09:47 zakim, +91.11.41.29.aadd is Biplav 14:09:47 +Biplav; got it 14:09:57 TOPIC: Noteworthy Gov't LOD in 2012 14:10:13 bhyland: thanks for the information you sent 14:10:22 ... any other comments/suggestions 14:10:39 +[LC] 14:10:39 tinagheen has joined #gld 14:10:51 ... any volunteer to talk about the projects 14:11:07 ... and also the origin of that project 14:11:13 ... research project, commercial, etc 14:11:28 ... how the project came about 14:11:43 ... who wants to start .... 14:11:54 q? 14:11:58 q+ 14:12:25 Yigal has joined #gld 14:12:27 The whole "bathing"/"swimming" thing was confusing ;) 14:12:37 ... gld projects in last 6-10 months 14:12:50 q+ 14:12:56 q? 14:13:10 ... important to show these projects in Semtech 14:13:23 +??P39 14:13:35 zakim, ??p39 is me 14:13:35 +Yigal; got it 14:13:51 q? 14:13:57 ack BartvanLeeuwen 14:14:16 BartvanLeeuwen: stuff fire department related stuf 14:14:23 ... you can see on the web 14:14:46 ... http://kasabi.com/dataset/brandweer-amsterdam-amstelland-dispatch-messages 14:14:54 cgueret_work has joined #gld 14:15:03 Topic: Noteworthy LOD projects - Bart & the Amsterdam Fire Dept 14:15:15 ... we are going to extend the information ... 14:15:36 +??P21 14:15:37 Scribe: Tinagheen 14:16:02 zakim, P21 is cgueret_work 14:16:02 sorry, bhyland, I do not recognize a party named 'P21' 14:16:07 BartvanLeeuwen: ...side effect - what we tried to do was have statistics on what probabilities of fire 14:16:17 ... were in certain parts of Amsterdam 14:16:21 zakim, ??P21 is cgueret_work 14:16:21 +cgueret_work; got it 14:16:22 ...how did we get there 14:16:26 zakim, +??P21 is gueret_work 14:16:26 sorry, bhyland, I do not recognize a party named '+??P21' 14:16:35 ...used Linked Data to connect several sources within FD together 14:16:50 ... so why not put data on internet as structured data? 14:17:24 I can talk about what U.S. EPA is up to 14:17:44 zakim, ??P21 is gueret_work. 14:17:44 I already had ??P21 as cgueret_work, olyerickson 14:17:45 bhyland: who handle maintenance of data 14:17:55 BartvanLeeuwen: use kasabi 14:18:06 i never find any easter eggs in zakim and i cant believe there arent any. 14:18:30 Kasabi URL: http://kasabi.com/ 14:19:02 bhyland: re: kasabi - free to host your data. Still working out business model 14:19:03 http://kasabi.com/dataset/brandweer-amsterdam-amstelland-dispatch-messages 14:19:03 http://kasabi.com/dataset/brandweer-amsterdam-amstelland-dispatch-messages 14:19:06 hard to hear you bernadette 14:19:11 q? 14:19:34 World Bank Linked Data: http://worldbank.270a.info/ 14:19:46 csarven: World Bank Linked Data effort 14:19:55 Topic: Noteworthy gov't LOD projects: World Bank LD 14:20:05 ... technical background - part of thesis at DERI 14:20:14 ... grabbed data sets from World Back 14:20:20 ... transformed JSON to RDF 14:20:29 ... publish them, SPARQL endpoint for the site 14:20:30 s/Back/Bank 14:20:49 ... several datasets, some overlap 14:21:15 ... linked data sets as best he could, but more linking can be done 14:21:23 ... interlinking with other data sets 14:21:26 +??P51 14:21:33 MartinKaltenb has joined #gld 14:21:38 ... dbpedia and eurostat 14:21:51 ... hosted at DERI 14:21:55 +q 14:22:07 some datasets are in good condition (development indicators for ex.) 14:22:35 q+ 14:22:48 ... World Bank financial dataset - needed some clarification/clean up 14:23:20 ... using PHP 14:24:13 ... Paget - for content negotiation, templating 14:24:21 @csarve: what politic did you use for the URIs ? 14:24:24 I believe csarven said he was also using Fuseki http://bit.ly/LHXUAq 14:24:29 ... Moriarty - for SPARQL 14:25:11 PhilA2 has left #gld 14:25:24 ... this is not a collaboration with World Bank and is not endorsed by World Bank 14:25:53 bhyland: you are using World Bank content and they are happy to answer your questions 14:26:19 -q 14:26:26 ... do you have a take on where World Bank is on the 5-star linked data scale, in terms of management and capability 14:26:31 bhyland is asking exactly what I wanted to ask... :) 14:26:40 csarven: not sure 14:27:08 ... financial data sets can be accessed through Socrata 14:27:12 they (WB) will be soon on 5 star data with their thesaurus as far as I know 14:27:19 ... written in XML, no namespaces worked out 14:27:26 ... all open as far as he knows 14:27:37 ... just want attribution (World Bank) 14:28:05 q? 14:28:53 ... thesis is investigating how much interlinking can be done 14:29:25 Zakim, who is here? 14:29:25 On the phone I see bhyland, mikependleton, gatemezi, mhausenblas, BartvanLeeuwen, martin (muted), Benedikt, boris, olyerickson (muted), Sandro, Biplav, [LC], Yigal, cgueret_work, 14:29:28 ... ??P51 14:29:28 mhausenblas has cygri, cygri, csarven 14:29:30 On IRC I see MartinKaltenb, cgueret_work, Yigal, tinagheen, rreck, BenediktKaempgen, Biplav, csarven, gatemezi, boris, olyerickson, martin, Mike_P, BartvanLeeuwen, Zakim, RRSAgent, 14:29:32 ... mhausenblas, bhyland, cygri, trackbot, sandro 14:29:37 Zakim, [LC] is me 14:29:37 +tinagheen; got it 14:29:58 bhyland: similar effort done at EPA last year 14:30:07 ... student did mashup 14:30:17 ... no common vocabulary to link it all together 14:30:31 ... but still a valuable exercise/experience 14:30:41 +1 to bhyland 14:30:43 ... especially to share with other people in a blog post 14:30:58 .. tools used, problems encountered, solutions, etc. 14:31:10 csarven: yes, will be part of thesis 14:31:24 ... lessons learned, how he solved problems he faced 14:31:33 Here is a link to the US HHS + US EPA LOD effort last year, in a "lessons learned & how I solved problems" perspective, see http://www.data.gov/communities/node/116/blogs/6170 14:32:36 ... will be finished in mid-July 14:32:44 LOL! 14:32:47 q? 14:32:48 q? 14:32:56 ack csarven 14:33:00 ack boris 14:33:22 boris: are you using RDF data cube vocab? 14:33:40 ... do you have observations or other information? 14:33:58 csarven: country code list, currency code list 14:34:14 ... SDMX 14:34:17 q+ 14:34:29 boris: ISO code lists? 14:34:46 csarven: yes, majority is coming from original data - not manipulated 14:34:52 ... manipulation is normalization 14:36:04 we use geonames ontology 14:36:09 bhyland: is there a defacto standard for currecy/country codes? 14:36:31 @MartinKaltenb, right, that is what we've used in past 14:36:35 boris: we used ISO standards - transformed into RDF, but did not publish to a website 14:36:48 Related: http://www.qudt.org/ 14:36:52 http://mayor2.dia.fi.upm.es/oeg/index.php/en/ontologies/99-hrmontology 14:36:55 q? 14:37:05 bhyland: we should be using a common vocab for this 14:37:05 FAO has a good list of country codes. 14:37:45 and more via http://linkedmodel.org/ (OWL Ontologies and SKOS Vocabularies for Linked Models of Industry and Government Standards) 14:37:50 q? 14:38:02 q? 14:38:19 gatemezi: what policy did csarven use for generating URIs? 14:38:24 Ghislain asked "what URI policy did you use?" 14:38:48 how did you generate URIs Sarven? 14:38:51 FAO: see http://www.fao.org/countryprofiles/iso3list.asp 14:38:57 http://labs.mondeca.com/dataset/lov/search/#s=currency 14:39:36 csarven: all URIs needed to be resolvable, no fragments 14:39:52 ... want to publish everything as human and machine readable 14:40:10 ... should be accessible down to observation level 14:40:54 q? 14:41:01 ack gatemezi 14:41:09 Topic: US EPA LOD 14:41:10 Mike_P: EPA converted 3 core data sets 14:41:29 ... Linked Data is coming out of Data Standards Branch Office of Environmental Standards 14:41:37 use registries for chemicals 14:41:44 Mike_P in Office of Environmental Information at EPA. Includes facilities & chemicals that the EPA regulates. 14:41:50 remark to country codes: I think ADMS of ISA gives recommendations also here - Phil should know more about this... 14:41:53 csarven has joined #gld 14:41:59 ... registries map differences 14:42:01 Different programs & legislation call chemicals different names, so they need to be mapped 14:42:07 ... in naming 14:42:16 ... facility and chemical name registries 14:42:50 Flagship data that EPA publishes include emissions of chemical (carcinogens) into the air, water & land … called Toxic Release Inventory (TRI) 14:43:01 ... do not have a hosting solution at this time, planning to use Kalimachus 14:43:11 Hosting on the cloud and working on system security plan. 14:43:12 RE countries, it's important to link a canonical URI to a canonical/common version of label (e.g. DBPedia common name) 14:43:41 ... we're extending our Instance Hub to provide that 14:43:56 with something like owl sameAs? 14:44:16 csarven has joined #gld 14:44:25 @rreck was that q for me? Answer is yes 14:44:28 q? 14:44:31 yes, it was for you 14:44:46 i am not in the call because i am onsite 14:44:56 danbri has joined #gld 14:45:04 would you like to know about reegle / nrel? 14:45:51 MartinKaltenb: a few words about reegle 14:45:57 Topic: Reegle & use by NREL by MartinKaltenb 14:45:58 ... Clean energy platform 14:46:15 ... built LOD platform called ...? 14:46:37 ... blog post is available to explain strcuture 14:46:41 But is ADMA providing URs for Countries? That is the key missing piece: country URIs <=> variants of country names 14:46:41 Main goals: build country profiles and test LOD principles for stitching together data 14:46:56 s/ADMA/ADMS/ 14:47:13 Per Martin Kaltenböck, Clean Energy data from Reegle, see see http://data.reegle.info/ for data, manuals and endpoint as 5 star LOD for re-use. See blogpost on same, http://blog.semantic-web.at/2012/04/13/reegle-info-linked-open-energy-data-cloud/ 14:47:16 ... can get expanded profiles of countries about clean energy 14:48:00 ... goals: data integration, metrics 14:48:12 Goals: Better data integration & achieve network effect 14:48:25 ... wanted to open energy information to the community 14:48:26 … reduce duplication of data 14:48:33 … saves operational costs 14:48:36 ... data enrichment 14:49:05 ... partners pull in data from each other to enhance data on their own platforms/ data integration 14:49:46 ... underlying triple store Virtuoso 14:49:48 Tools used: PoolParty, Virtuoso for RDF store 14:50:09 ... using D2R server 14:50:15 D2R project, joint project from Free Univ of Berlin and DERI. 14:50:41 SCOVO 14:50:44 do you need d2r? 14:50:45 ... for statistical data use scovo 14:51:12 Note that SCOVO is deprecated. shouldn't be used any more. Says the main guy behind SCOVO ;) 14:51:58 mhausenblas: encouraging people to use DataCube 14:52:11 ... XDMS compliant 14:52:39 bhyland: how is this project funded? 14:53:02 MartinKaltenb: nvel funded by US 14:53:29 s/nvel/nrel 14:54:02 ... public/private partnership 14:54:12 A web developer on the NREL.org project is Jon Weers who gave a talk on OpenEI: LOD Success Stories. 14:55:12 q? 14:55:29 Topic: Announcements 14:55:37 that could be interesting too: http://www.slideshare.net/reeep/lod-workshopbest-practiceopeneiandreegle 14:55:58 Biplav: AAAI Conference July 22-23 14:56:23 ... colleague presenting at SemTech 14:56:31 European Data Forum, 6-7 June Copenhagen: http://www.data-forum.eu/ 14:57:17 is it nrel.org or nrel.gov ? 14:57:20 There is also a semantic start-up competition happening at SemTech West in June, see http://semanticweb.com/semantic-start-up-contenders-announced_b29248#more-29248 14:57:27 Rosario U. Sosa from IBM Watson Research will talk about SCRIBE at Semtech (Biplav's colleague) 14:59:15 SWC talk at SemTecBiz: http://semanticweb.com/poolparty-powertagging-to-be-published-at-semtechbiz-sf_b28827 14:59:52 q? 15:00:03 -mikependleton 15:00:05 unmute me 15:00:15 cheers and bye - cya! 15:00:16 Have a great one! 15:00:17 thx 15:00:17 bye 15:00:19 bye, thanks 15:00:20 -mhausenblas 15:00:22 Thanks bhyland 15:00:22 -Sandro 15:00:22 -bhyland 15:00:22 -olyerickson 15:00:23 martin has left #gld 15:00:25 -BartvanLeeuwen 15:00:29 -boris 15:00:32 -Benedikt 15:00:33 -martin 15:00:35 @Tina, do you need my help to publish the minutes? 15:00:35 -cgueret_work 15:00:39 -Yigal 15:00:43 -??P51 15:00:44 I'll hang out here until they are up & can assist if needed 15:00:48 RRSAgent, set logs world-visible 15:00:49 -gatemezi 15:01:00 RRSAgent, generate minutes 15:01:00 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/24-gld-minutes.html tinagheen 15:01:49 bhyland: I receive the following message: You do not have sufficient privileges to access the page that you requested. 15:02:02 when I try to get to the minutes 15:02:16 yes, OK, I'll take it from here … that is a hit or miss for IEs to get this part of the process completed ... 15:02:25 -Biplav 15:02:56 ok - is there anything else I should do? 15:04:09 no, thank you, we're all set! I'll publish minutes shortly! 15:04:16 thank you! 15:04:25 -tinagheen 15:04:26 T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended 15:04:26 Attendees were bhyland, +1.202.566.aaaa, mikependleton, BartvanLeeuwen, martin, +49.721.aacc, Sandro, olyerickson, gatemezi, csarven, Benedikt, boris, mhausenblas, Biplav, Yigal, 15:04:26 ... cgueret_work, tinagheen 15:05:35 olyerickson has left #gld 15:06:51 Minutes for today's meeting published here, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-05-24 15:06:54 Thanks all! 15:08:13 rreck has left #gld 15:08:21 danbri_ has joined #gld 15:08:24 bhyland Is there a way to update the minute data? 15:08:35 yes, did you want to do it or shall I> 15:08:37 ? 15:08:40 "tinagheen: ... transformed JSON to RDF" is not true. 15:08:46 If you could, that'd be great. I'm going through it now. 15:08:58 re: transformation, it was XML->RDF 15:09:00 I can do it … what would you like me to replace it with 15:09:03 ok, 15:09:04 XML->RDF/XML 15:09:11 got it. 15:11:18 I've looked into http://data.nasa.gov/qudt/owl/unit for currencies, however, it doesn't return an RDF codelist. Even though the code list is defined e.g., http://data.nasa.gov/qudt/owl/unit#USDollar 15:13:26 @csarven, I'll get you the info from the UN FAO… we addressed this issue 3 years ago with them. They of course deal with 180 different member nations and use consistent country names, currency indicators, units for weights & measurements. 15:13:49 I think this should *definitely* be listed as a best practice in what W3C publishes ... 15:15:07 bhyland For country codes, I've used what WB provided in their API. What's under their "country" actually includes non-country level areas e.g., World, Arab World 15:15:40 For currencies, I've used http://www.currency-iso.org/dl_iso_table_a1.xml 15:16:46 right … there are all sorts of subtleties to this discussion … there are nations that say the UN doesn't recognize but need a designation … it gets complicated. Geography is complicated when you get to certain regions ... 15:16:50 With respect to WB's countries, what I've done is add a type of triple (dbo:Country) for only the countries. 15:17:40 thanks. I didn't mean to put you on the spot. I was just curious and hope you don't mind as I tried to anticipate questions people might ask me or Dave Wood who giving the presentation ... 15:17:52 http://worldbank.270a.info/classification/country/CA vs. http://worldbank.270a.info/classification/country/1W 15:18:42 Hum, http://data.nasa.gov/qudt/owl/unit 404's for me ... 15:18:46 how ironic 15:18:48 No, no.. not at all :) I just wasn't sure how to go at it in the call.. as far as how much of it people really needed to know with respect to the WG. I'd be happy to answer whatever I can 15:19:17 Will ask you if I have any more questions. Thanks again & good luck finishing up! 15:19:52 Yea, mhausenblas pasted the qudt URL earlier.. So, it points to http://data.qudt.org/qudt/owl/1.0.0/qudt.owl for the schema.. and that schema contains the data.nasa.gov URIs. 15:19:54 But they don't resolve. 15:20:10 So what is the provenance of these pages: http://worldbank.270a.info/classification/country/CA vs. http://worldbank.270a.info/classification/country/1W 15:20:30 Is that your project? 15:20:38 or the World Bank itself publishing this? 15:21:00 I guess I don't have it for each code, however, the codelist would have something for it. 15:21:02