13:58:38 RRSAgent has joined #wcag2ict 13:58:38 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/05/18-wcag2ict-irc 13:59:04 +Bruce_Bailey 13:59:08 meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force 13:59:11 chair: Judy_Brewer 13:59:22 scribe: MichaelC 13:59:28 +??P4 13:59:53 + +1.202.447.aaaa 13:59:54 zakim, ??P4 is Loic_Martinez 13:59:54 +Loic_Martinez; got it 14:00:01 +??P5 14:00:02 MaryJo has joined #wcag2ict 14:00:08 korn has joined #wcag2ict 14:00:11 zakim, aaaa is Al_Hoffman 14:00:11 +Al_Hoffman; got it 14:00:19 zakim, ??P5 is Jane_Vincent 14:00:19 +Jane_Vincent; got it 14:00:20 +??P7 14:00:33 +??P8 14:00:39 zakim, ??P7 is Mike_Pluke 14:00:39 +Mike_Pluke; got it 14:00:42 +??P6 14:00:46 zakim, ??P8 is Gregg_Vanderheiden 14:00:46 +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it 14:00:51 + +1.519.597.aabb 14:00:56 mapluke has joined #wcag2ict 14:01:00 zakim, ??P6 is Janina_Sajka 14:01:00 +Janina_Sajka; got it 14:01:11 zakim, aabb is John_Lee 14:01:11 +John_Lee; got it 14:01:28 greggvanderheiden has joined #wcag2ict 14:01:29 +[Microsoft] 14:01:38 zakim, Microsoft is Alex Li 14:01:38 I don't understand 'Microsoft is Alex Li', MichaelC 14:01:41 zakim, Microsoft is Alex_Li 14:01:41 +Alex_Li; got it 14:02:12 Alex has joined #wcag2ict 14:02:16 Loicmn has joined #wcag2ict 14:02:17 janina has joined #wcag2ict 14:02:28 +[Oracle] 14:02:29 rrsagent, make log world 14:02:35 zakim, Oracle is Peter_Korn 14:02:35 +Peter_Korn; got it 14:02:36 zakim, Oracle is Peter Korn 14:02:36 I don't understand 'Oracle is Peter Korn', korn 14:03:01 zakim, Oracle is Peter_Korn 14:03:01 sorry, korn, I do not recognize a party named 'Oracle' 14:03:08 + +1.512.422.aacc 14:03:11 - +1.512.422.aacc 14:03:16 +Andrew_Kirkpatrick 14:03:18 I see that now, thanks MichaelC 14:03:39 zakim, who is on the phone? 14:03:39 On the phone I see Judy, Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, Loic_Martinez, Al_Hoffman, Jane_Vincent, Mike_Pluke, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Janina_Sajka, John_Lee, Alex_Li, Peter_Korn, 14:03:43 ... Andrew_Kirkpatrick 14:03:43 + +0162859aadd 14:03:56 AWK has joined #wcag2ict 14:04:01 zakim, +01 is Kiran_Karja 14:04:01 +Kiran_Karja; got it 14:04:30 + +1.512.255.aaee 14:05:25 MaryJo has joined #wcag2ict 14:05:34 zakim, aaee is Mary_Jo_Mueller 14:05:34 +Mary_Jo_Mueller; got it 14:07:35 Janina can 14:08:08 -Janina_Sajka 14:08:23 shadi has joined #wcag2ict 14:08:26 -Al_Hoffman 14:08:27 -Kiran_Karja 14:08:33 zakim, code? 14:08:33 the conference code is 2428 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), shadi 14:08:54 New code for other room: 26631 14:09:00 -Alex_Li 14:09:10 -Peter_Korn 14:09:23 thx peter 14:09:40 I'm back in now on the other line 14:10:17 zakim, this is 26631 14:10:17 shadi, Team_(cg)14:06Z is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move 26631 to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel 14:10:48 Someone isn't muted who has a speakerphone line open. 14:14:16 + +1.617.401.aaff 14:16:49 zakim, aaff is Duff_Johnson 14:16:49 +Duff_Johnson; got it 14:17:18 topic: Introductions 14:17:49 Judy Brewer, Director of WAI, Boston 14:18:11 q+ 14:18:39 Bruce Bailey, US Access Board, Washington DC 14:18:45 q- 14:18:47 Loic Martinez, 14:19:05 q+ 14:19:09 Jane Vincent, AT lead, U Michigan Ann Arbor 14:19:10 q- 14:19:16 Loic Martinez, Technical University of Madrid 14:19:39 Mike Pluke, chair ETSI, leading M-### 14:19:51 s/M-###/M-376 14:19:55 Gregg Vanderheiden, co-chair WCAG, TEITAC, Trace, Madison 14:20:13 John Lee, RIM, M-376, Toronto 14:20:54 I'm only on one line here 14:20:59 go on... 14:21:11 Mary Jo Mueller, IBM, Austin 14:21:30 Duff Johnson, NetCentric 14:21:34 Apparently I'm only audible to the 26631 call 14:21:56 I hear Janina 14:22:07 I think the entire other line is muted on the main line now. 14:22:09 I take it my audio didn't come through? 14:22:09 I heard alex also 14:22:13 zakim, unmute Andrew 14:22:13 Andrew_Kirkpatrick should no longer be muted 14:22:53 Janina Sajka, chair Linux Open Accessibility, and PFWG, Washington DC 14:23:08 Andrew Kirkpatrick, Adobe, WCAG, TEITAC 14:23:25 Alex Li, Microsoft, WCAG, TEITAC 14:23:39 Peter Korn, Oracle, same as above 14:23:50 Al Hoffman, Homeland Security 14:23:55 ack me 14:24:17 Is there another IRC meeting for the other channel? 14:24:22 Shadi Abou-Zahra, WAI, M-376, Europe 14:24:47 Kiran_Karja, Adobe Accessibility, London 14:25:23 Michael Cooper, WAI, WCAG 14:26:43 topic: Description of the group 14:27:22 jb: Mandate is to perform a technical review of how WCAG 2 maps to non-Web ICT 14:27:27 and product a non-normative document 14:27:44 do not plan to make statements about whether WCAG 2 *should* apply to those technologies 14:27:51 that is prerogative of other organizations 14:28:18 also not going to change WCAG itself 14:28:35 the goal is to have a circulatable draft in the next few months 14:28:46 want a lot of continuity from one discussion to the next 14:29:05 impacts participation, and is a reason for high time commitment 14:29:25 time commitment applies to individuals, not organizations shared among multiple individuals 14:30:14 we would prefer a single person from an organization be the direct participant, and any others serve just as offline backup, commenters, etc. 14:30:35 We've been looking for people who have extensive knowledge of the development of WCAG 2 14:30:55 or who have participated in US and European discussions of takeup of WCAG 2 14:31:13 people with both those sets of experience particularly helfpul 14:31:22 s/helfpul/helpful/ 14:31:43 topic: W3C participation structures 14:32:00 jb: Many have worked with W3C, but some haven't and want to describe as applied to task force 14:32:16 W3C areas of work happen under Activities 14:32:25 in a specific Working Group that is defined by a charter 14:32:37 the charter is carefully prepared and reviewed by the hundreds of W3C Member organizations 14:33:06 Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group (WCAG WG) is one of these 14:33:21 (charter linked from TF Work Statement) 14:34:03 the WG has ability to create Task Forces (TF) under it to work on items specifically relevant to its charter 14:34:25 W3C was specifically asked for help on the question of applicability of WCAG to non-Web ICT 14:34:48 Work statement:: http://www.w3.org/2012/04/WCAG2ICT-WorkStatement.html 14:34:52 this task force was formed to respond to that, with a carefully defined work statement 14:35:12 any outputs of the group must be approved by the sponsoring WG 14:35:27 i.e., WCAG has to approve and publish documents, those are not published by the TF directly 14:35:46 so the work we do is governed by W3C process, as enabled by the WCAG WG 14:36:16 one aspect of W3C process is the Patent Policy that enables royalty-free information sharing 14:36:30 to join the TF, you join the WCAG WG 14:36:41 which requires acceptance of the patent policy requirement 14:36:51 after you join the WG, you flag your interest in the TF 14:37:19 There are two ways to join a WG 14:37:30 1) Via Membership; 2) as Invited Expert 14:37:39 majority of people in this call are from W3C Member organizations 14:38:10 your Advisory Committee representative can nominate you 14:38:18 we can tell you if you don't know who that is 14:38:39 Invited Expert process is for people from organizations that do not have resources to be W3C Member 14:38:48 but have perspective that is particularly relevant to the work 14:39:07 we may have to have a discussion with you about your knowledge and affiliations 14:40:47 Your participation in this TF is for the expected limited lifetime of the TF 14:40:59 but welcome this being an entry to participation in other areas 14:41:11 some may find early on that other areas of work are more relevant 14:41:32 Keep in mind that you are a participant in the TF, not someone who speaks on behalf of it 14:42:00 Also be clear that the TF is not involved in regulatory work 14:42:14 please defer to facilitators and staff with respect to representations of the work 14:42:24 Andi Snow-Weaver, Mike Pluke, Judy Brewer, Michael Cooper 14:44:27 Thanks to people who helped get this going 14:44:34 q+ 14:44:40 Peter Korn, Gregg Vanderheiden, Andi Snow-Weaver 14:44:52 al: Are there people invited who not in this call? 14:45:02 jb: yes, some who couldn't attend at this time 14:45:20 think I've heard from everyone one way or the other, who was invited 14:45:24 but don't have a collated list yet 14:46:00 expect a few people in next week or two besides those on this call 14:46:07 but expect to begin working together early next week 14:46:21 q+ 14:46:27 there will be a bit of flux initially but want a stable group to form moving ahead 14:46:30 ack a 14:46:32 q- 14:46:33 ack k 14:47:03 pk: In addition to expertise in WCAG and familiarity with regulatory aspects 14:47:22 familiarity in applying accessibility frameworks, making applications and documents accessible would be very welcome 14:48:09 jb: Note we haven't sent a general call for participation 14:48:24 TFs normally draw their membership from the WG directly 14:48:52 Q+ 14:48:56 potential interest might be higher than for a typical TF, but we need to stay focused 14:49:10 please don't send invites around; instead, bring suggested members to our attention 14:49:18 ack m 14:49:53 mp: the above above requirements met by many of the people already here 14:50:35 topic: Process and collaboration tools 14:50:59 http://www.w3.org/2012/04/WCAG2ICT-WorkStatement.html 14:51:07 jb: Task Force Work Statement 14:51:35 is now a stable document 14:51:49 will update the liaison and leadership sections 14:53:18 in Approach section 14:53:31 looking at applicability of WCAG SC on non-Web ICT 14:53:36 will produce a WG Note 14:53:44 which is an informative document, is *not* a formal standard 14:53:56 may do some work in sub-teams of the TF 14:54:06 which report to the TF (which in turn reports to WCAG WG) 14:54:13 all drafts will be publicly visible 14:54:22 with multiple mechanism for comments 14:54:34 responses to comments prepared by the TF 14:54:41 in as quick as possible of a timeline 14:54:50 use TF as a dialog opportunity, then WG approves work 14:55:01 Timeline section is known aggressive 14:55:19 expect the short- and medium-term milestones to be defined in early work of the TF 14:55:36 work in Europe and US means we need a draft asap 14:55:48 and a reasonably complete outline by July 14:56:25 Communication has multiple means 14:56:29 expect twice-weekly meetings 14:56:41 mailing list publicly archived available for discussion 14:56:49 TF has a sub-page http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG2ICT-TF/ 14:56:58 that will be the home base for finding things out 14:57:17 will set up an action tracker and opinion survey tool 14:57:41 before meetings there will often be surveys to collect input before the meeting 14:57:48 you may be in the position of preparing things for comment 14:58:19 we find it good for people to put proposals out for discussion and collect feedback on list and in Web-Based Survey (WBS) 14:58:27 so there will be homework... 15:00:18 On the TF home page 15:00:22 announcements at the top 15:00:25 meeting information 15:00:44 teleconferences have a US number or use SIP 15:01:08 we use IRC for chat and minute-taking 15:01:13 links to help on SIP and IRC available 15:01:29 will need help scribing (taking minutes) 15:01:45 don't expect face-to-face meetings, though possible that could change 15:02:07 may have people join calls using interpreters / captions / relay services 15:02:22 which means we need to be careful of communication, not talking over each other, etc. 15:02:34 will add a references section 15:02:42 will have links to drafts 15:02:46 initial drafts in a Google site 15:03:54 jb: Status of drafts? 15:04:06 gv: there is one document, have incorporated input from others received so far 15:04:24 I'm sorry but I have to leave and I don't want to interrupt. Have a good session! 15:04:31 -Loic_Martinez 15:05:13 ack b 15:05:25 bb: why using Google sites instead of wiki? 15:05:54 jb: let's come back in a minute, when GV introduces 15:06:05 MC, please inform about tools 15:13:02 15:13:25 jb: We are going to start with some default meeting times 15:13:31 and then check how it's working 15:13:39 we are bridging continents 15:13:47 and have an editorial team with constraints 15:13:52 so our starter times are: 15:14:46 Tuesdays and Fridays at 10:00 am U.S. Eastern (14:00 UTC while North America in Daylight Savings Time) 15:15:42 topic: Starter draft documents 15:15:52 jb: Gregg Vanderheiden is one of the co-chairs of the WCAG WG 15:16:05 Loretta Guarino Reid is the other 15:17:00 gv: the survey (WBS) tool is used as a natural part of our meetings 15:17:08 think of it as a pre-staging of our weekly meeting 15:17:16 bring up items for discussion 15:17:21 and queue comments and feedback in advance 15:17:24 so meeting goes more quickly 15:17:34 ensures people have reviewed materials in advance 15:17:44 q+ 15:17:54 and gives chance to review each others' comments and prepare response 15:18:06 ack a 15:18:12 al: duration of calls? 15:18:19 jb: 90 minutes each 15:18:35 gv: we looked at a number of tools for document drafting 15:18:44 W3C wiki is not WYSIWYG 15:18:49 requires learning a text format 15:19:04 Google docs is easier to work with 15:19:06 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG2ICT-TF/track/ 15:19:17 Sorry, wrong one. I meant https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/ 15:19:29 there have been a lot of accessibility improvements 15:19:42 there are a bunch of pages available 15:19:48 each has ability to attach comments 15:19:58 it's publicly viewable, but not publicly editable 15:20:21 each item we cover is a separate page 15:20:31 so can attach documents and comments on just that topic 15:20:47 important to separate opinions of individuals from task force statements 15:21:11 so each page has a clear division 15:21:20 there is a section that has the consensus-based content 15:21:37 and a following section that has anything else 15:21:51 right now not much in the consensus area because we haven't started the process yet 15:22:38 we are copying in the Intent section from Understanding WCAG20 15:23:08 there is a section for contributions 15:24:37 jb: we'll work out practices for ensuring content appears in the right places 15:24:44 and will migrate content to W3C reasonably soon 15:24:53 gv: note the tool does track who makes what edit 15:25:01 jb: summary of content so far? 15:25:17 gv: right now we have an outline of what the document might look like 15:25:26 some proposed frontmatter and introductory text 15:26:05 each Principle, Guidelines, and Success Criterion from WCAG has a reflection in this document 15:26:44 with the consensus content, proposals, and issues / comments / questions / answers / discussion etc. 15:27:24 There are links in glossary to some items, may need expansion 15:28:06 q+ 15:28:31 topic: Wrap-up, continuation 15:28:33 jb: note this was an extremely introductory session 15:28:35 ack a 15:28:41 al: Will meetings have agenda? 15:28:47 jb: yes 15:29:01 though first meeting agenda will be shortly before 15:29:33 q+ 15:29:36 bb: I have a document that compares WCAG language, TEITAC, and ANPRM language 15:29:40 Q+ 15:29:44 want to upload, don't want to email 15:30:04 jb: send to Gregg, Judy, MichaelC 15:30:24 we'll sort out where it seems best 15:30:31 www.mandate376.eu 15:30:35 ack m 15:30:50 mp: we have a draft document as well 15:30:58 that explores some of the issues 15:31:12 it could serve as input to the work of this TF 15:31:27 q- 15:31:40 q+ 15:32:18 jb: the early input is extremely valuable 15:32:25 means there's a lot everyone will need to review 15:32:30 ack a 15:32:59 al: is the M376 content in the Google site? 15:33:11 gv: no, we can link to it but didn't want to copy over 15:34:00 jb: ok, we're about done 15:34:14 -John_Lee 15:34:17 -Jane_Vincent 15:34:41 -Gregg_Vanderheiden 15:35:18 will follow up on various things 15:36:01 -Mary_Jo_Mueller 15:37:08 bye all 15:37:16 greggvanderheiden has joined #wcag2ict 15:37:43 zakim, who's on the phone? 15:37:43 On the phone I see Judy, Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, Mike_Pluke, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Duff_Johnson 15:37:51 scribeOptions: -scribeOnly, -implicitContinuations 15:37:58 rrsagent, make minutes 15:37:58 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/18-wcag2ict-minutes.html MichaelC 15:38:22 janina has left #wcag2ict 15:38:27 Bye all 15:38:28 -Cooper 15:38:31 -Bruce_Bailey 15:38:32 -Duff_Johnson 15:38:45 zakim, who's on the phone? 15:38:45 On the phone I see Judy, Mike_Pluke, Andrew_Kirkpatrick 15:39:05 s/scribeOptions: -scribeOnly, -implicitContinuations// 15:39:18 scribeOptions: -scribeOnly -implicitContinuations 15:39:23 rrsagent, make minutes 15:39:23 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/18-wcag2ict-minutes.html MichaelC 15:39:31 -Judy 15:42:47 -Andrew_Kirkpatrick 15:43:11 zakim, drop Mike 15:43:11 Mike_Pluke is being disconnected 15:43:13 Team_(wcag2ict)14:00Z has ended 15:43:13 Attendees were Judy, Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, +1.202.447.aaaa, Loic_Martinez, Al_Hoffman, Jane_Vincent, Mike_Pluke, Gregg_Vanderheiden, +1.519.597.aabb, Janina_Sajka, John_Lee, 15:43:13 ... Alex_Li, Peter_Korn, +1.512.422.aacc, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, +0162859aadd, Kiran_Karja, +1.512.255.aaee, Mary_Jo_Mueller, +1.617.401.aaff, Duff_Johnson 15:46:36 present: Judy, Cooper, Bruce_Bailey, Loic_Martinez, Al_Hoffman, Jane_Vincent, Mike_Pluke, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Janina_Sajka, John_Lee, Alex_Li, Peter_Korn, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Kiran_Karja, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Duff_Johnson, Peter_Korn, Shadi 15:46:39 rrsagent, make minutes 15:46:39 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/18-wcag2ict-minutes.html MichaelC 17:18:15 korn has left #wcag2ict 18:33:57 Zakim has left #wcag2ict 18:42:32 greggvanderheiden has joined #wcag2ict