14:08:50 RRSAgent has joined #mlw-lt 14:08:50 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/05/17-mlw-lt-irc 14:09:21 chair: DaveL 14:09:29 scribe: dF 14:10:07 zakim, who is here? 14:10:07 sorry, Yves_, I don't know what conference this is 14:10:07 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Arle, Zakim, Milan, Yves_, daveL, tadej, dF, trackbot 14:10:18 Topic: Minutes and Agenda review 14:10:33 http://www.w3.org/2012/05/10-mlw-lt-minutes.html 14:10:52 is this via gotomeeting? 14:10:54 Dave: Any issues with the minutes? 14:10:57 mihael has joined #mlw-lt 14:11:19 Meeting: MLW-lT Phone call Day 14:11:28 Dave: any additions to the agenda? 14:11:38 We are using the automated agenda here 14:11:51 Chair: DaveL 14:12:07 Topic: Review issues and related actions https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/agenda 14:12:22 Scribe: dF 14:12:46 Yves, does the capitalization matter? 14:13:03 not sure. don't think so 14:13:09 I was setting chair and scribe few lines above.. just with lower case.. 14:13:42 Dave: any aditional issues? 14:13:57 We start with Issue 14, Process Trigger 14:14:23 We discussed action 79, which was to consolidate this data category 14:14:46 cache was reintroduced, as we became aware that it is not part of the class 14:15:31 Zakim, this conference #mlw-lt 14:15:31 I don't understand 'this conference #mlw-lt', dF 14:15:39 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012May/0155.html 14:16:20 Dave: Pedro, can you wlak us through email on action 35? 14:16:46 Pedro: It is a simple expample, this metdata is to generated by the system 14:17:19 source and target are being compared for modifications 14:18:19 Private data such as names do not get cahced 14:18:25 cached 14:18:40 news should not be cached due to high amount of change 14:18:58 data with personal infomation is not cached 14:19:31 disclaimer [boiler plate type of information] is cached, as it is not likely to change 14:19:59 This type of metadata can help chosing the right real time MT system 14:20:37 scenario is different providers for different target languages 14:21:34 Dave: Do you have a text version of this example? 14:21:47 Pedro: Yes 14:22:02 Dave: I will go through it tonight 14:22:39 Dave: Close action 85? Yes 14:23:40 Close Issue [13 or 14] on cache with the action 14:23:52 Pedro: OK 14:24:38 It is Issue 13 14:24:52 Cache data category needed and how? (ISSUE-13 cache) 14:25:03 Pedro and Dave discuss action 79 14:25:12 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:25:12 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/17-mlw-lt-minutes.html Yves_ 14:25:30 ACTION-79 pending review Consider consolidation of status-related data categories and process trigger 14:26:23 we discussed source language 14:26:34 you want to add now the target language 14:26:45 Dave: We will keep the issue open 14:26:53 I will answer to the e-mail 14:28:03 DaveL to answer Pedro's e-mail on Issue 14 - process trigger 14:28:04 rrsagent, make logs public 14:29:28 Pedro: souce and target lnaguge and maybe intermediate language 14:29:33 also priority 14:29:46 readiness for localization is also important 14:30:02 Dave: Discussion on API? 14:30:32 Is your thinking of appropriate attributes driven by the API discussion? 14:30:45 Pedro: No, it is a seprate issue 14:30:49 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:30:49 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/17-mlw-lt-minutes.html Yves_ 14:31:45 Dave: I understand TAUS are making something about an MT API 14:32:07 Arle: Jaap tries to revive the old translation webservices 14:32:43 Dave: My Masters student tries to do that with exposed categories through CMIS API 14:32:54 This tsudent will be in the June workshop 14:33:27 Dave: Defining API might be out of scope, but it is a concrete way of implemnting data categories 14:33:57 Yves, it is importnat to have at least two implementations 14:34:12 Dave to contact Moritz on API progress 14:34:33 Action: Dave, to contact Moritz on API progress 14:34:33 Sorry, couldn't find user - Dave, 14:34:50 Action: DaveL, to contact Moritz on API progress 14:34:50 Sorry, couldn't find user - DaveL, 14:35:13 Action: daveL, to contact Moritz on API progress 14:35:13 Sorry, couldn't find user - daveL, 14:35:37 Tadej on Action 80 14:36:34 How to solve issue of something not being in the domain 14:36:47 I would go with NERD 14:37:01 and would recommend mandating a single ontology 14:37:31 Dave: It will be difficult to find a single ontology, we should rather point to ontologies 14:37:49 We can recommned NERD in the informative section 14:38:16 Tadej: The ontologies do not operate our domains. This is for Issue 3 14:38:33 Thomas from Lucey answered me 14:38:51 MT disambiguation should be changed into general disambiguation 14:39:06 semantic selector 14:39:16 disambiguation data category 14:39:32 Tomas agreed that these reduce to concept pouinting 14:39:54 named entity has additional cetagories 14:40:02 terminology may have pointers 14:40:48 Text analytics anntotation: which agent created and confidence score 14:41:27 Should we consolidate confidence in text analytics and MT? 14:41:51 Dave: Any ideas? We do not have Declan 14:42:05 Pedro: I think they are different 14:42:31 Dave: Separate point, lot of cases where they will be used seprately 14:42:55 Pedro: It will be hard to provide reference ontology 14:43:09 In w3c there is a working group on ontologies 14:43:36 Dave: the NERD guys Tadej talked about work on lingustic ontologies 14:43:47 They will be in the June workshop 14:44:37 We will have opportunity to talk with people like Sebastian Hellmann 14:45:02 Tadej: NERD Is used in practice and for social 14:45:41 Dave: discussion in linked open data, different to the traditional RDF approach 14:45:57 People might be reacting agianst RDF 14:46:52 Pedro: we made clear differnce between reference and denotation 14:47:04 Tadej: examples? 14:47:14 Pedro: It may be critical for MT 14:47:44 Semantic selectors allow to do semantic disambiguation 14:47:57 mouse, refernce biology, or computong 14:48:19 This is also using linguistic ontologies and vocabularies 14:48:55 Tadej: I thought this will happen inside a compnate, nad intermediate steps won't be documented 14:49:11 Pedro: Euro Wordnet 14:49:38 to identify different meanings, we used domain ontologies and linguistic ontologies 14:50:01 Parsing analysis may be as useful as a domain category 14:50:29 Tadej: Exmaple of a semantic selector? Living creature? Countable? 14:50:50 Pedro: Most useful for versbs, as they are semantically complicated 14:51:13 Action: Pedro, to go and find examples 14:51:13 Sorry, couldn't find user - Pedro, 14:52:32 Pedro: I will send an example of to concept ontology 14:52:51 There are documented semantic features 14:53:05 top concept ontology 14:53:33 Zakim, who is present? 14:53:33 I don't understand your question, dF. 14:54:17 Zakim, who is here? 14:54:17 sorry, dF, I don't know what conference this is 14:54:19 On IRC I see mihael, RRSAgent, Arle, Zakim, Milan, Yves_, daveL, tadej, dF, trackbot 14:54:29 +Pedro 14:54:49 Pedro is on GoTo meeting :-) 14:55:12 Tadej: There is point in adding semantic selcetors, we need examples 14:55:38 Buit the issue is that we do not have producers and consumers for this type of categories 14:55:50 This happnes usually inside the black box 14:56:02 Dave: Isseu on Xpath version 14:56:31 (ISSUE-7 XPath Version) 14:56:44 Yves: I think we had resolution on this 14:57:08 Action: daveL to remind Jirka to summarize 14:57:08 Created ACTION-92 - Remind Jirka to summarize [on David Lewis - due 2012-05-24]. 14:57:52 Dave: Action items due next week 14:58:23 I hold action on consolidating of author, revisionAgent and translationAgent 14:58:49 rrsagent, generate minutes 14:58:49 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/17-mlw-lt-minutes.html Yves_ 14:59:50 Dave is going to open Issue 22 on the action 81 15:00:04 Dave; Lot of people on ELREC next week 15:00:20 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:00:20 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/17-mlw-lt-minutes.html Yves_ 15:00:53 Dave: Action 34, Locworld is moving forward 15:01:09 Arle: This iwll need to be addressed in the PC meetings 15:01:28 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:01:28 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/17-mlw-lt-minutes.html Yves_ 15:02:03 rrsagent, generate minutes 15:02:03 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/17-mlw-lt-minutes.html dF 15:03:23 mihael has left #mlw-lt 15:04:42 daveL has left #mlw-lt 15:08:38 rrsagent, make logs public 17:02:33 Zakim has left #mlw-lt