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13:45:29 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
13:45:29 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
13:45:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
13:45:30 <trackbot> Date: 16 May 2012
13:45:38 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012May/0195.html
13:46:20 <fjh> Chair: Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:46:36 <fjh> Present+ Robin_Berjon, Frederick_Hirsch
13:47:07 <fjh> Regrets+ Dzung_Tran
13:48:17 <fjh> Regrets+ Niklas_Widell, Marcos_Caceres 
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13:57:16 <AnssiK> zakim, ??P3 is me
13:57:16 <Zakim> +AnssiK; got it
13:57:28 <AnssiK> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
13:57:56 <Zakim> +??P4
13:57:59 <fjh> zakim, ??P4 is me
13:57:59 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
13:58:04 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:58:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.289.261.aaaa, AnssiK, fjh
13:58:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see AnssiK, Deep, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, glenn, richt, trackbot, mounir, lgombos, rektide, ilkka, hiroto, Josh_Soref, dom
13:58:28 <fjh> zakim, aaaa is Josh_Soref
13:58:28 <Zakim> +Josh_Soref; got it
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14:01:51 <Zakim> + +25686aabb
14:01:51 <Zakim> +??P7
14:01:58 <Jungkee> Zakim, ??p9 is Jungkee
14:01:58 <Zakim> +Jungkee; got it
14:01:59 <Zakim> +??P22
14:02:11 <richt> zakim, ??P22 is me
14:02:11 <Zakim> +richt; got it
14:02:16 <richt> Present+ Rich_Tibbett
14:02:20 <Zakim> +??P24
14:02:35 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:02:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josh_Soref, AnssiK, fjh, Jungkee, +25686aabb, ??P7, richt, ??P24
14:02:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see MilanPatel, Jungkee, AnssiK, Deep, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, glenn, richt, trackbot, mounir, lgombos, rektide, ilkka, hiroto, Josh_Soref, dom
14:02:39 <glenn> zakim, ??p7 is me
14:02:39 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
14:02:52 <MilanPatel> Present+ MilanPatel
14:03:05 <Zakim> + +46.1.08.00.aacc
14:03:13 <glenn> Present+ Glenn_Adams_(glenn)
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14:03:34 <Deep> zakim, ??P24 is me
14:03:35 <Zakim> +Deep; got it
14:03:48 <Claes> Present+ Claes_Nilsson
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14:05:05 <fjh> Regrets+ Bryan_Sullivan
14:05:25 <Zakim> + +25686aadd
14:05:26 <fjh> Topic: Announcements
14:05:48 <MilanPatel> Present+ Milan_Patel
14:05:56 <fjh> fyi, WebIntents - Josh posted minutes from WebApps meeting that has interesting WebIntents content, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-intents/2012May/0034.html
14:06:25 <fjh> Gallery Draft, reminder and request for comment, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012May/0069.html
14:06:29 <Jungkee> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/REC-mediaont-10-20120209/#core-property-lists
14:07:23 <fjh> jungkee: defining metadata and looking for comments on this
14:07:35 <Deep> zakim, mute me
14:07:35 <Zakim> Deep should now be muted
14:07:36 <Zakim> + +1.781.266.aaee
14:07:59 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:07:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josh_Soref, AnssiK, fjh, Jungkee, glenn, richt, Deep (muted), +46.1.08.00.aacc, +25686aadd, +1.781.266.aaee
14:08:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see dcheng3, Claes, MilanPatel, Jungkee, AnssiK, Deep, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, glenn, richt, trackbot, mounir, lgombos, rektide, ilkka, hiroto, Josh_Soref, dom
14:09:00 <fjh> fjh: Milan has joined the group from Huawai
14:09:17 <fjh> F2F scheduled for 10-12 July, in Burlington MA U
14:09:22 <fjh> s/ U/US/
14:09:34 <fjh> Topic: Minutes approval
14:09:43 <fjh> Approve minutes from 9 May
14:09:43 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012May/att-0064/minutes-2012-05-09.html
14:09:53 <fjh> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 9 May 2012 are approved
14:10:02 <fjh> Topic: Proximity
14:10:14 <fjh> Use cases, issues summary (wiki material?);  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012May/0146.html 
14:10:27 <fjh> device/user proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012May/0186.html
14:10:37 <fjh> draft http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dap/raw-file/tip/proximity/Overview.html
14:11:40 <fjh> readonly attribute DOMString proximitystate;
14:13:10 <AnssiK> use cases for the proximitystate attribute: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012May/0201.html
14:13:42 <fjh> anssiK; updated draft to reflect discussion on list, added proximitystate attribute with near/far to the draft
14:14:05 <fjh> fjh: seems to be agreement on list to have near/far, not so clear about min/max. Are we reaching an agreement?
14:14:12 <AnssiK> direct link to the UCs: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012May/0103.html
14:14:59 <fjh> anssiK: we have use cases for min/max to determine position at startup without waiting for event...
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14:16:30 <fjh> anssiK: are we designing around use cases, or already designed features
14:16:56 <fjh> s/already designed/already implemented/
14:17:01 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:17:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/16-dap-minutes.html fjh
14:17:27 <AnssiK> s/min/near/
14:17:31 <AnssiK> s/max/far/
14:18:04 <fjh> fjh: looks like this draft will be stable based on use cases, seeking review.
14:18:12 <fjh> anssi: yes we seem to be driven by use cases
14:19:02 <AnssiK> s/yes we seem to be driven by use cases/the question is whether we're driven by use cases or not/
14:19:12 <Josh_Soref> Josh_Soref: as a former Mozilla developer, code reuse isn't a big deal
14:19:28 <fjh> Topic: HTML Media Capture
14:19:28 <Josh_Soref> ... it's pretty easy to expose different properties and share backend code
14:19:36 <fjh> Draft (with revisions) http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/camera/
14:19:36 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012May/0182.html (Anssi)
14:20:04 <fjh> anssiK: seeking feedback on the draft, have received feedback on the WebKit mailing list
14:20:16 <fjh> ... also feedback from Mozilla and Android developers
14:20:29 <fjh> ... have lots of implementer feedback, updated draft
14:20:45 <fjh> ... removed material that is not implemented by anyone
14:20:58 <fjh> ... eg mediafile, media data
14:21:03 <fjh> ... interfaces
14:21:29 <fjh> ... rewrote spec to reuse HTML5 terminology etc
14:22:04 <fjh> ... now simpler, looking for implementer feedback and review
14:22:15 <fjh> ... would like CfC to publish new working draft
14:22:48 <fjh> action: fjh to create CfC to publish update WD of HTML Media Capture
14:22:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-538 - Create CfC to publish update WD of HTML Media Capture [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2012-05-23].
14:23:50 <fjh> anssi: please review and continue discussion on mailing list
14:23:55 <fjh> Topic: Contacts
14:24:07 <fjh> Time to consider split of Data formats from Search processing?
14:25:01 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, who is on the call?
14:25:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josh_Soref, AnssiK, fjh, Jungkee, glenn (muted), richt, Deep (muted), +46.1.08.00.aacc, +25686aadd, Cathy
14:26:00 <fjh> richt: Opera does not have an implementation of this, we should probably be checking with Mozilla who are implementing
14:26:16 <fjh> ... check with them on next steps
14:26:34 <AnssiK> Mozilla's Contacts API
14:26:34 <AnssiK> https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI/ContactsAPI
14:26:35 <fjh> ... would prefer to not discuss formats at this time, as it can be devisive
14:26:49 <fjh> fjh: sounds like we should continue to defer this for now
14:26:59 <Josh_Soref> s/Mozilla's Contacts API//
14:27:04 <fjh> Topic: Other APIs
14:27:12 <fjh> None to discuss today
14:27:21 <fjh> Topic: Other Business
14:27:22 <fjh> n one
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14:27:36 <Josh_Soref> s|https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI/ContactsAPI|-> https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI/ContactsAPI Mozilla's Contacts API|
14:27:40 <fjh> s/n one/none/
14:27:51 <Josh_Soref> s/none/[ None ]/
14:27:54 <fjh> Present- Robin_Berjon
14:28:18 <fjh> Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
14:28:29 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:28:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/16-dap-minutes.html fjh
14:28:37 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, where is _256?
14:28:37 <Zakim> sorry, Josh_Soref, I do not understand your question
14:28:40 <Josh_Soref> Zakim, where is +256?
14:28:40 <Zakim> country code 256 is Uganda
14:29:08 <richt> zakim, where is +25
14:29:08 <Zakim> richt, I do not see a party named 'where'.  If you meant to ask a question you need to add '?'
14:29:18 <richt> zakim, where is +25?
14:29:18 <Zakim> sorry, I do not know where country code 25 is, richt
14:29:24 <fjh> s/MAUS/MA, US/
14:30:06 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:30:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/16-dap-minutes.html fjh
14:30:55 <Zakim> -glenn
14:31:09 <Zakim> -AnssiK
14:31:10 <Zakim> -fjh
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14:31:13 <Zakim> -richt
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14:36:06 <richt> fjh, maybe you could post to the list what you meant by the Contacts action item today? That should start some discussion.
14:36:47 <Josh_Soref> s|fjh, maybe you could post to the list what you meant by the Contacts action item today? That should start some discussion.||
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