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15:05:10 <paulc> zakim, please wake up.
15:05:10 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please wake up', paulc
15:05:11 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
15:05:11 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 65 minutes ago
15:05:12 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:05:12 <trackbot> Date: 10 May 2012
15:05:25 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
15:05:25 <Zakim> sorry, paulc, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsoft]'
15:05:25 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:05:26 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, janina
15:05:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, janina, Judy, Stevef, paulc, JF, davidb, MichaelC, MikeSmith, trackbot, [tm]
15:05:46 <janina> zakim, this will be 2119
15:05:46 <Zakim> ok, janina; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 65 minutes ago
15:05:59 <janina> zakim, who's here?
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15:06:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, janina, Judy, Stevef, paulc, JF, davidb, MichaelC, MikeSmith, trackbot, [tm]
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15:06:17 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
15:06:17 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:06:49 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
15:06:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/10-html-a11y-minutes.html janina
15:06:50 <MikeSmith> Zakim, who's on the phone?
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15:06:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see richardschwerdtfe, Zakim, RRSAgent, janina, Judy, Stevef, paulc, JF, davidb, MichaelC, MikeSmith, trackbot, [tm]
15:06:59 <MikeSmith> trackbot, start
15:06:59 <trackbot> Sorry, MikeSmith, I don't understand 'trackbot, start'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
15:07:03 <MikeSmith> trackbot, start meeting
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15:07:08 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
15:07:08 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 67 minutes ago
15:07:09 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:07:09 <trackbot> Date: 10 May 2012
15:07:21 <Judy> agenda+	issue 204 discussion + possible TF resolution
15:07:21 <Judy> agenda+	Media Accessibility User Requirements, annotations/pointers to spec
15:07:21 <Judy> agenda+	status updates on issues agreed from the F2F or otherwise in process
15:07:21 <Judy> agenda+	subteam reports
15:07:21 <Judy> agenda+	other business
15:08:06 <janina> scribe: janina
15:08:14 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
15:08:15 <Zakim> agendum 1. "issue 204 discussion + possible TF resolution" taken up [from Judy]
15:08:50 <janina> Thanks, John!
15:09:10 <JF> scribe: JF
15:09:38 <JF> Janina : status update - Text subteam review the new changes and agree that they ere good changes
15:09:48 <JF> PF reviewed yeteday and voted a resolution to support
15:10:14 <JF> have put out an advanced 48 hour consensus call with a deadline of Friday midnight Boston
15:10:37 <JF> have one objection to date from Ben H-L reiterating his concerns
15:11:15 <JF> Laura, after initial concerns, seems to feel that these are improvements - she had concerns over V2 and V3 tracking
15:11:34 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
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15:11:57 <JF> based on progress on other issues, the chairs asked if we could try for amicable resolution of Issue 204 at the F2F last week
15:12:49 <JF> it became obvious to remove restrictions on future development was a no-brainer, and the new V3 now has stronger conformance language, which was a win in our eyes as well
15:13:11 <MikeSmith> q?
15:13:32 <JF> JF: any other changes were grammatical in nature
15:14:16 <JF> MS: what we should try for today is to seek a TF resolution today, are we ready to do so now?
15:14:27 <JF> JS: unless there are further questions or comments
15:14:39 <JF> MS: will make the proposal now
15:15:10 <janina> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Correct_Hidden_Attribute_Section_v3
15:15:51 <MikeSmith> proposed RESOLUTION: TF supports the CP at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Correct_Hidden_Attribute_Section_v3 as written
15:16:01 <JF> +1
15:16:28 <janina> +1
15:16:39 <JF> MS: are there any objections to this?
15:16:57 <MikeSmith> anybody on IRC who objects to that resolution?
15:17:19 <MikeSmith> RESOLUTION: TF supports the CP at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Correct_Hidden_Attribute_Section_v3 as written
15:17:32 <janina> RESOLUTION: TF supports the CP at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Correct_Hidden_Attribute_Section_v3 as written
15:17:33 <JF> MS: not seeing any objections
15:17:42 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
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15:18:03 <JF> RESOLUTION: TF supports the CP at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Correct_Hidden_Attribute_Section_v3 as written
15:18:07 <janina> scribe: janina
15:18:08 <janina> RESOLUTION: TF supports the CP at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Correct_Hidden_Attribute_Section_v3 as written
15:18:24 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
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15:18:33 <Stevef> +1
15:18:56 <JF> JS: thankful for the great discussion last week, this was a great consensus building exercise
15:19:03 <MikeSmith> q?
15:19:06 <janina> zakim, next item
15:19:06 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Media Accessibility User Requirements, annotations/pointers to spec" taken up [from Judy]
15:19:35 <JF> scribe: JF
15:19:51 <JF> JS: have been meaning to surface this for some time
15:20:01 <MikeSmith> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012May/0054.html
15:20:08 <JF> would like to move the user requirements from a Draft note
15:20:32 <JF> thought it might be useful to annotate this in the HTML5 spec to link technologies to techniques (etc.)
15:20:43 <JF> Silvia offered to do this and felt it would be easy to do
15:21:02 <JF> so, do we want to take that document in that direction?
15:21:26 <JF> PF thought this was a good idea on their call yesterday
15:21:33 <JF> should we pursue?
15:21:36 <MikeSmith> q?
15:21:41 <JF> (JF says +1)
15:21:59 <JF> Q+
15:23:20 <Stevef> q+
15:23:26 <JF> ack JF
15:23:47 <MikeSmith> ack JF 
15:23:51 <janina> ack j
15:24:06 <MikeSmith> ack Stevef 
15:24:35 <JF> SF: Is this annotating the HTML5 spec of the User Reqs docuemtn?
15:24:42 <JF> JS: the user reqs doc
15:25:00 <JF> s/of the User/or the User/
15:25:50 <JF> MS: question seems does anyone thing this is a good idea. If Silvia has offered to do this, and it has no direct changes to HTML5 spec, then are there objections?
15:26:01 <JF> MS: seems like a useful bit of work
15:26:32 <JF> MS: guessing that Silvia wanted to ensure that others saw the value, and agreed before she undertook the effort
15:26:57 <JF> JF: +1 for Silvia improving things - with thanks
15:27:10 <Stevef> +1 for Silvia improving things - with thanks
15:27:46 <JF> JS: I will discuss this with Silvia - worth noting that the media team are re-convening on short notice - actually meeting later today
15:28:12 <janina> zakim, next item
15:28:12 <Zakim> agendum 3. "status updates on issues agreed from the F2F or otherwise in process" taken up [from Judy]
15:28:12 <JF> JS: looking to come to grips with Issue 194 - but will discuss this with Silvia then
15:28:29 <janina> scribe: janina
15:28:32 <janina> Thanks, John!
15:29:05 <JF> s/docuemtn/document/
15:29:46 <janina> ms: Good in person participation from the TF at the F2F
15:29:59 <janina> ms: Good canvas discussion and agreement
15:30:28 <janina> ms: With Ted and Frank -- melding their two proposals
15:30:35 <janina> rs: I'm starting on that
15:30:35 <Judy> q+
15:31:23 <janina> rs: Elipses included in Ted's proposal, but perhaps for html.next
15:31:23 <MikeSmith> q?
15:31:25 <paulc> q+
15:31:26 <MikeSmith> ack Judy 
15:31:47 <janina> judy: Should we ask Paul's help pinging for Frank's active participation here as we're on a tight timeframe?
15:32:05 <janina> paul: If Rich sends a note cc'ing me, I'll make sure there's a response.
15:32:25 <janina> rs: Pointing out that I'm on holliday late next week and want to get as much of this done before that as possible
15:32:58 <MikeSmith> -> http://www.w3.org/2012/05/03-html-wg-minutes.html minutes from HTML WG 03 May 2012 f2f meeting
15:33:06 <MikeSmith> q?
15:33:10 <janina> paul: Just so everyone knows, Microsoft is currently trying to get Windows 8 out the door, and this takes people's attention
15:33:12 <MikeSmith> ack paulc 
15:33:52 <janina> rich: Just want to make sure that we all agree that elipses
15:34:01 <Judy> judy: Rich cc me too, on your response request 
15:34:04 <janina> rich is not to be included at this time
15:34:30 <janina> janina: apologizing that I can't spell!
15:34:55 <janina> paul: pointing out no agreement yet to add the shape for hit testing
15:34:59 <janina> rich: correct
15:35:06 <janina> paul: so need to make this more visible
15:35:11 <janina> cyns: please also cc me
15:35:15 <MikeSmith> q?
15:35:30 <janina> paul: at some point we need this visible--to the list
15:35:45 <Stevef> q+
15:36:58 <janina> rich: believe we resolve first with ted and frank
15:37:06 <MikeSmith> ack Stevef 
15:37:08 <Stevef> email with questions sent last week to HTML WG - no response http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012May/0008.html
15:38:59 <janina> sf: question of focus
15:39:09 <janina> rich: need to see how, don't have the answer yet
15:39:47 <janina> rich: we also need a way to map lightweight objects to a11y apis -- discuss that in the uaig
15:42:07 <janina> rich: it's all achievable, but will take some time
15:42:40 <janina> zakim, next item
15:42:40 <Zakim> agendum 4. "subteam reports" taken up [from Judy]
15:42:50 <janina> ms: text?
15:44:10 <janina> judy: in addition to 204 above we talked about alt--alts on images in the spec, and buggy alt guidance in the spec
15:44:25 <janina> judy: we're evolving our documentation of these
15:45:21 <janina> judy: also issue-31c meta generator exemption
15:45:39 <janina> judy: now a comprehensive reopen request cp forwarded to chairs last week
15:45:54 <janina> judy: we're expecting feedback or a reopen from the h5ccs
15:46:49 <JF> Q+ to update on media sub-team
15:47:13 <Stevef> q+ for paul
15:48:20 <MikeSmith> ack JF
15:48:20 <Zakim> JF, you wanted to update on media sub-team
15:48:46 <janina> jf: Noting that I194 has a foot in each camp, want to add good discussion on i194 at the F2F
15:48:56 <janina> jf: And, it's the basis of us resuming media telecons
15:49:28 <janina> jf: Silvia is working up another proposal, a new h5 element transcript
15:49:47 <janina> jf: Meanwhile, I'm under the gun to put out a i194 proposal by Friday
15:49:56 <janina> paul: where's the dialog on this?
15:50:02 <janina> jf: On the TF list
15:51:10 <JF> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposal/Issue194_SP
15:51:23 <MikeSmith> q?
15:51:32 <janina> janina: our concern is that i194 not expire in the wg while direct discussion on approaches is active
15:51:52 <janina> jf: exactly, we need some lattitude from the chairs
15:52:21 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minute
15:52:21 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minute', MikeSmith.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:52:23 <janina> paul: I see Silvia's CP pointer ... looking at the thread
15:52:25 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
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15:53:25 <janina> paul: can you summarize where we are?
15:53:45 <janina> jf: at the f2f we agreed i would rewrite my cp to propose using track, and ted to propose idref
15:53:57 <janina> jf: now we have this additional approach from silvia
15:55:09 <MikeSmith> q?
15:55:43 <janina> janina: I'm concerned that we really should consider these proposals from the perspective of user experience 
15:56:00 <janina> janina: a single way to get whichever alternate media
15:56:24 <janina> paul: noting that this is all post the due date for cps
15:57:57 <janina> sf: wanted an update on hgroup?
15:58:08 <janina> paul: reviewed all 5 proposals and will be sending reviews shortly
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21:35:34 <silvia> anyone here?
21:35:42 <silvia> where is the media a11y meeting happening?