IRC log of eval on 2012-05-10

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13:52:02 [RRSAgent]
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logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/05/10-eval-irc
13:52:04 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, make logs world
13:52:04 [Zakim]
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Zakim, this will be 3825
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
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Meeting: WCAG 2.0 Evaluation Methodology Task Force Teleconference
13:52:07 [trackbot]
Date: 10 May 2012
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13:57:15 [ssirois]
zakim, who is on the phone?
13:57:15 [Zakim]
WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM has not yet started, ssirois
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On IRC I see ssirois, Zakim, RRSAgent, Kathy, vivienne, Aurelien_levy, shadi, trackbot
13:57:40 [ssirois]
zakim, mute me
13:57:40 [Zakim]
sorry, ssirois, I don't know what conference this is
13:58:00 [Aurelien_levy]
i'm on the phone but my connection is a bit buggy
13:58:24 [shadi]
zakim, this is eval
13:58:24 [Zakim]
ok, shadi; that matches WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM
13:58:35 [shadi]
zakim, who is on the phone?
13:58:35 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Kathy, Don, +1.450.682.aaaa, ??P3, ??P4
13:58:41 [Kerstin]
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13:58:46 [Aurelien_levy]
did anybody hear me ?
13:58:48 [vivienne]
zakim, mute me
13:58:48 [Zakim]
sorry, vivienne, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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+Shadi
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+ +1.720.708.aabb
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13:59:33 [vivienne]
shadi, do you know which connection belongs to Vivienne?
13:59:44 [ssirois]
I'm sorry I wasn't able to be here for the last three meetings. I'm tring to catch up on the list.
13:59:51 [vivienne]
ack me
14:00:04 [Kerstin]
zakim, mute me
14:00:04 [Zakim]
sorry, Kerstin, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
14:00:06 [Liz]
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14:00:09 [shadi]
zakim, aaaa is Samuel
14:00:09 [Zakim]
+Samuel; got it
14:00:14 [shadi]
zakim, who is on the phone?
14:00:14 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Kathy, Don, Samuel, ??P3, ??P4, Shadi, +1.720.708.aabb
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+Sarah_Swierenga
14:00:26 [ssirois]
zakim, mute me
14:00:26 [Zakim]
sorry, ssirois, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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14:00:45 [Zakim]
+Liz
14:00:55 [shadi]
zakim, ??p3 is Vivienne
14:00:56 [agarrison]
Running a little late...
14:01:02 [Zakim]
+ +49.404.318.aacc
14:01:04 [Zakim]
+Vivienne; got it
14:01:09 [shadi]
zakim, mute vivienne
14:01:14 [Zakim]
Vivienne should now be muted
14:01:24 [Detlev]
Zakim, aacc is Detlev
14:01:25 [Zakim]
+Detlev; got it
14:01:26 [ssirois]
zakim, samuel is me
14:01:26 [Zakim]
+ssirois; got it
14:01:35 [Kathy]
zakim, mute me
14:01:35 [Zakim]
Kathy should now be muted
14:01:35 [Kerstin]
zakim, mute me
14:01:37 [Zakim]
sorry, Kerstin, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
14:01:47 [shadi]
zakim, Vivienne is Kerstin
14:01:48 [Zakim]
+Kerstin; got it
14:01:51 [Detlev]
Zakim, mute me
14:01:52 [Zakim]
Detlev should now be muted
14:01:54 [Zakim]
+[Oracle]
14:01:58 [shadi]
zakim, ??p4 is Vivienne
14:01:58 [Zakim]
+Vivienne; got it
14:01:58 [Kerstin]
zakim, mute me
14:02:00 [Zakim]
Kerstin was already muted, Kerstin
14:02:04 [korn]
zakim: +racle is Peter
14:02:10 [shadi]
zakim, who is on the phone?
14:02:10 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Kathy (muted), Don, ssirois, Kerstin (muted), Vivienne, Shadi, +1.720.708.aabb, Sarah_Swierenga, Liz, Detlev (muted), [Oracle]
14:02:14 [korn]
Zakim: +Oracle is Peter
14:02:26 [ssirois]
zakim, mute me
14:02:26 [Zakim]
ssirois should now be muted
14:02:29 [korn]
zakim, Oracle is Peter
14:02:29 [Zakim]
+Peter; got it
14:02:45 [Zakim]
+ericvelleman
14:02:46 [Aurelien_levy]
maybe i'am +1.720.708.aabb
14:02:52 [Zakim]
+ +1.720.708.aadd
14:02:55 [Kerstin]
zakim, unmute me
14:02:55 [Zakim]
Kerstin should no longer be muted
14:03:00 [Kerstin]
zakim, mute me
14:03:00 [Zakim]
Kerstin should now be muted
14:03:06 [agarrison]
Just joined
14:03:08 [shadi]
zakim, aabb is Aurelien_levy
14:03:09 [Zakim]
+Aurelien_levy; got it
14:03:44 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-evaltf/2012Apr/0075.html
14:03:55 [Zakim]
+Mike
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14:04:16 [agarrison]
I've joined but it doesn't show
14:04:32 [shadi]
scribe: agarrison
14:04:43 [vivienne]
zakim, mute me
14:04:43 [Zakim]
Vivienne should now be muted
14:04:48 [shadi]
zakim, who is on the phone?
14:04:48 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Kathy (muted), Don, ssirois (muted), Kerstin (muted), Vivienne (muted), Shadi, Aurelien_levy, Sarah_Swierenga, Liz, Detlev (muted), Peter, ericvelleman,
14:04:51 [Zakim]
... +1.720.708.aadd, Mike
14:05:18 [shadi]
zakim, aadd is agarrison
14:05:18 [Zakim]
+agarrison; got it
14:05:26 [shadi]
zakim, mute me
14:05:26 [Zakim]
Shadi should now be muted
14:05:31 [agarrison]
Eric - Welcome
14:05:40 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20120510
14:05:48 [shadi]
Topic: Comments Received
14:05:50 [Zakim]
+Maureen_Kraft
14:05:56 [agarrison]
Public working draft has ended - so looking at 7 public comments
14:06:01 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-em-comments/
14:06:36 [shadi]
ack me
14:06:58 [shadi]
zakim, mute me
14:06:58 [Zakim]
Shadi should now be muted
14:06:58 [agarrison]
Eric - Interesting positive comments from the public, all of which will be placed in a document
14:07:22 [MoeKraft]
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14:07:22 [Aurelien_levy]
Zakim, mute me
14:07:22 [Zakim]
Aurelien_levy should now be muted
14:07:30 [vivienne]
+1
14:07:30 [agarrison]
Eric - we will have a list of comments etc... which can be discussed in the next phone meeting
14:07:30 [ssirois]
yes.
14:07:33 [Sarah_Swierenga]
+1
14:07:35 [Aurelien_levy]
+1
14:07:39 [ssirois]
i loved that approach last time.
14:07:42 [Kathy]
+1
14:07:42 [Kerstin]
+1
14:07:46 [Mike_Elledge]
+1
14:07:54 [MoeKraft]
+1
14:08:10 [Liz]
+1
14:08:17 [agarrison]
Eric - this document should be ready for Monday
14:08:49 [agarrison]
Eric - the next call will focus on the comments
14:08:51 [shadi]
ack me
14:08:53 [korn]
q+
14:09:03 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:09:18 [agarrison]
Eric - how will the comments affect the draft
14:09:23 [shadi]
zakim, mute me
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Shadi should now be muted
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14:09:34 [agarrison]
Peter - Not available next week
14:10:01 [agarrison]
Eric - There will be more opportunity to talk about the comments on an on-going basis
14:10:51 [agarrison]
Eric - You could enter any comments in the document, if you are unable to take part in the call
14:10:51 [Zakim]
+??P36
14:11:06 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:11:15 [korn]
q-
14:11:23 [agarrison]
Peter - V.Busy
14:11:39 [Zakim]
-Kerstin
14:11:53 [richard]
zakim ??P36 is richard
14:12:20 [agarrison]
Eric - Point 3 - new version of editors draft
14:12:26 [Zakim]
+ +1.703.227.aaee
14:12:31 [agarrison]
Eric - walking through changes
14:12:35 [Aurelien_levy]
Zakim, unmute me
14:12:35 [Zakim]
Aurelien_levy should no longer be muted
14:13:15 [Zakim]
+??P39
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14:13:25 [agarrison]
Eric - I made changes to earlier sections based on discussion - the changes have been documented in a email sent to the list
14:13:33 [shadi]
ack me
14:13:36 [Ryladog]
Sorry for coming late
14:13:50 [korn]
Zakim, who is talking?
14:13:55 [Kerstin]
shadi, no, don't think so
14:14:00 [Detlev]
Do you have that echo, too?
14:14:01 [Zakim]
korn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Shadi (40%), ericvelleman (83%), Peter (9%), Maureen_Kraft (20%), ??P39 (61%)
14:14:08 [Aurelien_levy]
Zakim P39 is Aurelien_levy
14:14:26 [shadi]
zakim, aaee is Ryladog
14:14:26 [Zakim]
+Ryladog; got it
14:14:34 [Aurelien_levy]
Zakim P39 is Aurelien_levy"
14:14:43 [shadi]
zakim, ??p39 is Aurelien_levy
14:14:43 [Zakim]
+Aurelien_levy; got it
14:14:52 [agarrison]
There is a feedback loop on the line...
14:15:06 [Aurelien_levy]
Zakim, mute me
14:15:06 [Zakim]
Aurelien_levy should now be muted
14:15:29 [Detlev]
maybe everyone should mute themselves?
14:15:33 [ssirois]
zakim, who is on the phone?
14:15:33 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Kathy (muted), Don, ssirois (muted), Vivienne (muted), Shadi, Aurelien_levy (muted), Sarah_Swierenga, Liz, Detlev (muted), Peter, ericvelleman, agarrison, Mike,
14:15:36 [Zakim]
... Maureen_Kraft, ??P36, Ryladog, Aurelien_levy.a
14:15:51 [shadi]
zakim, drop Aurelien_levy
14:15:51 [Zakim]
Aurelien_levy is being disconnected
14:15:52 [Zakim]
-Aurelien_levy
14:15:58 [richard]
p36 is richard
14:16:04 [shadi]
zakim, ??p36 is richard
14:16:04 [Zakim]
+richard; got it
14:16:18 [shadi]
zakim, mute richard
14:16:18 [Zakim]
richard should now be muted
14:16:24 [korn]
I've muted locally
14:16:47 [Zakim]
+agarrison.a
14:16:47 [agarrison]
Who is sitting in the Sydney Opera Hall???
14:16:59 [shadi]
zakim, who is on the phone?
14:16:59 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Kathy (muted), Don, ssirois (muted), Vivienne (muted), Shadi, Sarah_Swierenga, Liz, Detlev (muted), Peter, ericvelleman, agarrison, Mike, Maureen_Kraft, richard
14:17:02 [Kerstin]
zakim, mute me
14:17:03 [Zakim]
... (muted), Ryladog, Aurelien_levy.a, agarrison.a
14:17:03 [Zakim]
sorry, Kerstin, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
14:17:06 [vivienne]
there are a few people not muted - Sarah, Liz, Alistair and Mike
14:17:16 [agarrison]
Locally muted
14:17:20 [korn]
Shadi, can we simply mute EVERYONE except Eric?
14:17:24 [shadi]
zakim, mute Ryladog
14:17:24 [Zakim]
Ryladog should now be muted
14:17:26 [korn]
Then folks can unmute when they get into queue?
14:17:46 [korn]
zakim, mute me
14:17:46 [Zakim]
sorry, korn, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
14:17:52 [korn]
zakim, mute Peter
14:17:52 [Zakim]
Peter should now be muted
14:17:55 [Ryladog]
zakim, unmute me
14:17:55 [Zakim]
Ryladog should no longer be muted
14:17:57 [agarrison]
mute me
14:18:02 [ssirois]
oh! it worked...
14:18:09 [Detlev]
much better
14:18:11 [ssirois]
but now we don't know who it was! ;)
14:18:14 [Liz]
mute me
14:18:19 [korn]
Zakim, unmute Peter
14:18:19 [Zakim]
Peter should no longer be muted
14:18:24 [shadi]
zakim, mute me
14:18:24 [Zakim]
Shadi should now be muted
14:18:28 [Liz]
Zakim, mute me
14:18:28 [Zakim]
Liz should now be muted
14:18:30 [Kerstin]
zakim is not my friend today
14:18:36 [agarrison]
Eric - line ok
14:18:41 [Kerstin]
zakim, mute me
14:18:41 [Zakim]
sorry, Kerstin, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
14:18:51 [shadi]
zakim, who is on the phone?
14:18:51 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Kathy (muted), Don, ssirois (muted), Vivienne (muted), Shadi (muted), Sarah_Swierenga, Liz (muted), Detlev (muted), Peter, ericvelleman, agarrison, Mike,
14:18:52 [korn]
q+
14:18:55 [Zakim]
... Maureen_Kraft, richard (muted), Ryladog, Aurelien_levy.a, agarrison.a
14:18:57 [agarrison]
Eric - Added in section 3 - a web application could be a single webpage
14:19:12 [agarrison]
Eric - Peter talked about a one page application
14:19:38 [agarrison]
Eric - However, a single page could contain many components - so we looked at use cases
14:20:05 [agarrison]
Eric - Difficult when looking at a web app to record urls
14:20:12 [Aurelien_levy]
maybe we also can speak about component
14:20:12 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:20:13 [vivienne]
We had to do that recently
14:20:16 [shadi]
zakim, agarrison.a is probably kerstin
14:20:16 [Zakim]
+kerstin?; got it
14:20:20 [agarrison]
Eric - Difficult to log the urls in a report
14:20:22 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:20:25 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:20:34 [agarrison]
Eric - anyone have any ideas how this could be handled
14:20:34 [Kerstin]
zakim, mute me
14:20:34 [Zakim]
kerstin? should now be muted
14:20:36 [shadi]
ack k
14:20:50 [agarrison]
Peter - web applications may only be on a single page
14:21:02 [korn]
q-
14:21:05 [agarrison]
Peter - this might sum up the situation a bit better
14:21:30 [agarrison]
Eric - Even if there are more than one pages - there still could be a several uses cases
14:21:55 [agarrison]
Peter - you would have to describe the things which have been done on each page i.e. each use case followed
14:22:02 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:22:19 [shadi]
q+
14:22:21 [Aurelien_levy]
we can described the uses cases and we also can identify the component using xpath or id
14:22:31 [Tim]
Tim has joined #eval
14:22:38 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:22:40 [shadi]
ack me
14:22:43 [agarrison]
Eric - How would you record this in a machine readable way
14:23:07 [korn]
q+
14:23:16 [Aurelien_levy]
Zakim, unmute me
14:23:16 [Zakim]
Aurelien_levy.a was not muted, Aurelien_levy
14:23:20 [agarrison]
Shadi - Peter used the term screen instead of page - maybe this is better to talk about than page
14:23:44 [shadi]
zakim, mute me
14:23:44 [Zakim]
Shadi should now be muted
14:23:48 [agarrison]
Shadi - note - with a web application we could talk about screen instead of web page
14:23:50 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:24:01 [agarrison]
Peter - forgotten comment, but like the idea
14:24:18 [richard]
q+
14:24:25 [korn]
q-
14:24:37 [agarrison]
Peter - maybe we would want to consider a more formal definition of screen with respect to web apps
14:24:42 [shadi]
ack richard
14:25:05 [korn]
q+
14:25:21 [agarrison]
Richard - Not happy with doing evaluation on one or two pages - we should be looking in terms of websites
14:25:51 [Zakim]
+Tim_Boland
14:26:31 [agarrison]
Eric - but what if the website has three pages which contain several applications
14:26:37 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:27:19 [korn]
q-
14:27:19 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:27:22 [agarrison]
Eric - You could do 1000s of things through these pages - rather than just pages
14:27:44 [richard]
Zakim,mute me
14:27:44 [Zakim]
richard should now be muted
14:27:47 [agarrison]
Eric - we could add a definition of screen
14:27:47 [korn]
q+
14:27:53 [korn]
q-
14:28:04 [korn]
q+
14:28:05 [agarrison]
Eric - do we know if this has been discussed in W3C
14:28:15 [agarrison]
Katie - could be under the mobile one section
14:28:31 [Zakim]
-Aurelien_levy.a
14:28:44 [agarrison]
Peter - using mobile could be difficult - as it could relate to the concept of forms
14:28:58 [korn]
q-
14:29:07 [agarrison]
Peter - the larger concept of 'screen' would be useful
14:29:14 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:29:22 [agarrison]
Katie - in the old days the screen was called view port
14:29:22 [Zakim]
+??P27
14:29:38 [Detlev]
q+
14:29:41 [agarrison]
Eric - send me a link if there is any further information
14:29:43 [Detlev]
ack me
14:29:44 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:29:52 [Aurelien_levy]
it's me again fighting with my connection
14:30:16 [korn]
q+
14:30:16 [shadi]
zakim, drop Aurelien_levy
14:30:17 [Zakim]
sorry, shadi, I do not see a party named 'Aurelien_levy'
14:30:24 [agarrison]
Detlev - Screen may not be the best term, what happens if you have hidden screens etc... could be confusing
14:30:32 [shadi]
zakim, ??p27 is Aurelien_levy
14:30:32 [Zakim]
+Aurelien_levy; got it
14:30:37 [agarrison]
Detlev - maybe state changes could cover it
14:31:01 [Detlev]
Zakim, mute me
14:31:01 [Zakim]
Detlev should now be muted
14:31:04 [agarrison]
Eric - could be worth considering it - maybe extending the definition of web page
14:31:14 [agarrison]
Eric - step 5 a
14:31:30 [agarrison]
Eric - Provide additional information about paths
14:31:43 [vivienne]
Sorry Eric, where is that?
14:31:45 [agarrison]
Eric - how do you describe paths which have been followed.
14:31:49 [agarrison]
agarrison
14:31:54 [agarrison]
+q
14:32:10 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:32:11 [vivienne]
thanks, was not looking properly
14:32:40 [Aurelien_levy]
I think Deque Fireeyes extension generate some scenario file
14:32:50 [agarrison]
Peter - notion of screen raises important questions - what is a screen, accordion, refresh
14:33:06 [Mike_Elledge]
Bye folks, have to go to another meeting. Ciao/Cheers/a bientot.
14:33:19 [Zakim]
-Mike
14:33:27 [agarrison]
Peter - bullet at end of 5a - don't think we can define path until we more fully understand other concepts
14:33:33 [Sarah_Swierenga]
5a. last bullet makes sense to me
14:33:42 [agarrison]
Peter - how important is machine readability
14:33:43 [Aurelien_levy]
I think my mic is generating the echo so i can't unmute
14:34:01 [agarrison]
Eric - machine readable reports allow easy comparisons
14:34:19 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:34:36 [ssirois]
q+
14:34:39 [korn]
q-
14:34:44 [agarrison]
Peter - from my past in software testing - coverage / path testing - could be a large and time consuming thing
14:35:01 [korn]
q+
14:35:27 [shadi]
AG: macros can record the steps taken
14:35:38 [shadi]
...where clicked and where that lead you to
14:35:47 [ssirois]
ack me
14:35:53 [shadi]
ack agarrison
14:35:53 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:35:58 [agarrison]
Alistair - macros could be recorded to go along with use cases
14:36:30 [agarrison]
Mathew - how can we continue to provide machine readable reports without being bond to a product
14:36:45 [shadi]
s/Mathew/Samuel
14:37:12 [agarrison]
Samuel - there are products which could do this but it might be tricky
14:37:31 [agarrison]
Eric - Remembered that machine readable report is optional
14:37:32 [Detlev]
q+
14:37:56 [Detlev]
q-
14:37:59 [agarrison]
Eric - This is just looking at a way which would easily create a machine readable report
14:38:23 [shadi]
q+
14:38:26 [ssirois]
zakim, mute me
14:38:26 [Zakim]
ssirois should now be muted
14:38:27 [agarrison]
Samuel - Wondering if someone from Evaluation and Report Group could comment
14:38:42 [agarrison]
Peter - good to hear that this is an optional area
14:38:56 [agarrison]
Peter - as things change quickly
14:39:14 [agarrison]
Peter - recording macros could be brittle, and not 100% accurate
14:39:18 [korn]
q-
14:39:31 [agarrison]
Peter - we should ensure that this section is optional
14:39:53 [Aurelien_levy]
one sort of marco command is : http://seleniumhq.org/docs/
14:39:54 [agarrison]
Eric - it would still be good to look at how to do it
14:39:58 [Detlev]
ack me
14:40:00 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:40:10 [agarrison]
?+
14:40:23 [shadi]
ack me
14:40:29 [Detlev]
Zakim, mute me
14:40:29 [Zakim]
Detlev should now be muted
14:40:44 [agarrison]
Shadi - chairs EARL working group
14:41:14 [ssirois]
i can take the task of inviting someone from the ERT WG on our next meeting or i can discuss a little with them (since i'm registered to there mailing list) in order to understand how EARL 1.0 Schema could help us. (see http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/)
14:41:20 [agarrison]
Shadi - EARL supports a number of ways to record page e.g. xpath, xpointer, exchange between server and client
14:41:31 [korn]
q+
14:41:43 [agarrison]
Shadi - Peter was saying that it was not 100% accurate
14:41:52 [shadi]
Step 4.d: Archive Web Pages for Reference (Optional)
14:41:59 [agarrison]
Shadi - Another important point was archive web pages
14:42:28 [agarrison]
Shadi - in the context of an application which show personal information could be tricky
14:42:40 [vivienne]
q+
14:42:49 [agarrison]
Shadi - we might not want to record such information
14:42:53 [agarrison]
q-
14:43:08 [shadi]
zakim, mute me
14:43:08 [Zakim]
Shadi should now be muted
14:43:08 [korn]
q-
14:43:09 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:43:16 [agarrison]
Shadi - we would just have to outline the situation
14:43:16 [vivienne]
ack me
14:44:08 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:44:09 [vivienne]
zakim, mute me
14:44:09 [Zakim]
Vivienne should now be muted
14:44:10 [agarrison]
Vivienne - Archiving pages - Needed to record websites - Can you save dynamic pages into blackbox
14:44:19 [shadi]
ack me
14:44:34 [agarrison]
Peter - it depends upon the page and site
14:44:38 [Zakim]
-Aurelien_levy
14:45:18 [Zakim]
+??P27
14:45:29 [shadi]
q+
14:45:32 [agarrison]
Peter - trying to record pages which rely on local code presents a problem
14:45:39 [korn]
q-
14:45:55 [agarrison]
Eric - can we think of a standardised format
14:45:55 [Aurelien_levy]
Zakim, P27 is Aurelien_levy
14:45:55 [Zakim]
sorry, Aurelien_levy, I do not recognize a party named 'P27'
14:45:56 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:46:00 [shadi]
ack me
14:46:12 [Aurelien_levy]
Zakim, +??P27 is Aurelien_levy
14:46:12 [Zakim]
sorry, Aurelien_levy, I do not recognize a party named '+??P27'
14:46:16 [agarrison]
Shadi - you can record the DOM at best
14:46:33 [korn]
q+
14:46:34 [Aurelien_levy]
Zakim, ??P27 is Aurelien_levy
14:46:34 [Zakim]
+Aurelien_levy; got it
14:46:38 [agarrison]
Shadi - DOM plus steps to get to the DOM
14:47:00 [agarrison]
Shadi - edge cases
14:47:23 [agarrison]
Eric - can we have input from the EARL working group
14:47:46 [agarrison]
Shadi - is that 5f optional machine readable reports
14:48:07 [agarrison]
Shadi - what do we specifically want to record
14:48:31 [agarrison]
Alistair - How does google cache pages?
14:49:07 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:49:21 [agarrison]
Eric - will add to 5f - trying to put in information for people who would want to provide machine readable reports
14:49:25 [agarrison]
q+
14:50:01 [agarrison]
q-
14:50:03 [shadi]
zakim, mute me
14:50:03 [Zakim]
Shadi should now be muted
14:50:08 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:50:23 [agarrison]
Alistair - how many applications can read machine readable reports?
14:50:38 [korn]
q-
14:50:45 [vivienne]
I can't understand Peter clearly. Is it the line?
14:50:48 [agarrison]
Peter - we are using technologies which do not have a DOM
14:51:04 [agarrison]
Peter - so we must remember this
14:51:45 [agarrison]
Eric - Evaluator and commissioner can be asked for supporting material such as use cases
14:52:04 [agarrison]
Eric - Check text to see if this is reflected
14:52:16 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:53:00 [Detlev]
q+
14:53:02 [agarrison]
Eric - 5a bullet point 3 added - make clear what pages are part of a complete process
14:53:27 [agarrison]
Eric - why, pages in a complete process must be checked in combination
14:53:27 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:53:30 [Detlev]
ack me
14:53:35 [agarrison]
Eric - Detlev is this OK
14:54:32 [agarrison]
Detlev - All pages in a complete process must be part of a sample - do we need to do this in all cases. We need an exception rule
14:55:00 [agarrison]
Detlev - 70 pages which contain similar content which you step through page by page
14:55:11 [Detlev]
Zakim, mute me
14:55:11 [Zakim]
Detlev should now be muted
14:55:15 [agarrison]
Eric - other important changes
14:55:41 [agarrison]
Eric - definition of template added
14:55:42 [Detlev]
q+
14:55:52 [korn]
q+
14:56:04 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:56:07 [agarrison]
Eric - first concept version of a definition
14:56:11 [Detlev]
ack me
14:56:15 [agarrison]
Eric - like or hate it?
14:56:42 [agarrison]
Detlev - Comment about techniques from the email list
14:56:55 [agarrison]
Detlev - 4B
14:57:06 [ericvelleman]
q?
14:57:20 [agarrison]
Detlev - There is a great deal of talk relating to this point
14:57:29 [Aurelien_levy]
+1 for Detlev
14:57:33 [agarrison]
Eric - We should look at this next week
14:57:46 [Detlev]
Zakim, mute me
14:57:46 [Zakim]
Detlev should now be muted
14:58:00 [agarrison]
What is the command to make minutes?
14:58:33 [korn]
q-
14:58:35 [Zakim]
-Don
14:58:38 [agarrison]
Peter - can we have multiple templates on a single page - does it have to be HTML based?
14:59:07 [Detlev]
I think it is "multiple samples on the same page"!
14:59:15 [agarrison]
Thanks
14:59:32 [shadi]
ack me
14:59:43 [agarrison]
Shadi - how to make minutes?
15:00:03 [agarrison]
Shadi - next week is a public holiday
15:00:13 [ssirois]
ack me
15:00:25 [vivienne]
not in Australia either?
15:00:33 [agarrison]
Eric - we shall miss the meeting next week
15:00:35 [Zakim]
-Aurelien_levy
15:00:42 [vivienne]
okay, 24 May is good
15:00:45 [agarrison]
Eric - 24th May next meeting
15:01:03 [agarrison]
Eric - documents will come next week
15:01:04 [Detlev]
bye bye!
15:01:07 [vivienne]
bye now
15:01:08 [Zakim]
-Tim_Boland
15:01:09 [Liz]
bye
15:01:10 [Zakim]
-Ryladog
15:01:10 [Zakim]
-Peter
15:01:10 [vivienne]
-vivienne
15:01:11 [Zakim]
-Detlev
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-Sarah_Swierenga
15:01:12 [Kerstin]
bye
15:01:13 [Zakim]
-ssirois
15:01:14 [Aurelien_levy]
bye
15:01:14 [Zakim]
-Kathy
15:01:16 [vivienne]
vivienne has left #eval
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-Vivienne
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-richard
15:01:22 [ssirois]
by all
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-kerstin?
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-agarrison
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-ericvelleman
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-Shadi
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-Maureen_Kraft
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-Liz
15:01:51 [Zakim]
WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM has ended
15:01:53 [Zakim]
Attendees were Kathy, Don, +1.450.682.aaaa, Shadi, +1.720.708.aabb, Sarah_Swierenga, Liz, +49.404.318.aacc, Detlev, ssirois, Kerstin, Vivienne, Peter, ericvelleman,
15:01:53 [ericvelleman]
ericvelleman has left #eval
15:01:56 [Zakim]
... +1.720.708.aadd, Aurelien_levy, Mike, agarrison, Maureen_Kraft, +1.703.227.aaee, Ryladog, richard, kerstin?, Tim_Boland
15:01:58 [korn]
korn has left #eval
15:03:14 [shadi]
trackbot, end meeting
15:03:14 [trackbot]
Zakim, list attendees
15:03:14 [Zakim]
sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:03:22 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:03:22 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/10-eval-minutes.html trackbot
15:03:23 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, bye
15:03:23 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items