IRC log of rd on 2012-05-09

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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 7394
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 09 May 2012
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chair: Simon
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regrets: Shawn, Giorgio, Yeliz, Joshue
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Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)
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Agenda+ Mobile Topics Update (Yeliz, Peter, Simon)
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Agenda+ Mobile Topic Wiki Clean Up -
13:28:23 [shadi] (Yeliz, Peter, Simon)
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Agenda+ Current W3C Note Status (Giorgio, Markel, Josh, Shadi)
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Agenda+ Topic 3 Timelines -
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Agenda+ Publication Format Redux - (Shadi's Report on Options) -
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Agenda+ Timelines / Schedule to 30th June 2013 (Simon)
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Agenda+ Issues and Actions:
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Agenda+ Any Other Business
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13:32:06 [shadi]
zakim, who is on the phone?
13:32:06 [Zakim]
WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has not yet started, shadi
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On IRC I see markel, Yehya, klaus, Zakim, RRSAgent, vivienne, nonge_, shadi, Mate, trackbot
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zakim, this is rdwg
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ok, shadi; that matches WAI_RDWG()9:30AM
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zakim, who is on the phone?
13:32:25 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ??P1, ??P8, Shadi, Yehya
13:32:49 [klaus]
zakim, ??p8 is me
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+klaus; got it
13:32:53 [vivienne]
zakim, ??p1 is me
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+vivienne; got it
13:33:06 [vivienne]
zakim, mute me
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vivienne should now be muted
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ack me
13:34:09 [markel]
zakim, ??P13 is me
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+markel; got it
13:34:18 [shadi]
zakim, vivienne is klaus1
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+klaus1; got it
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zakim, klaus is vivienne
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+vivienne; got it
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zakim, klaus1 is klaus
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+klaus; got it
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scribe: Klaus
13:35:42 [vivienne]
zakim, mute me
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vivienne should now be muted
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13:37:24 [shadi]
zakim, who is on the phone?
13:37:24 [Zakim]
On the phone I see klaus, vivienne (muted), Shadi, Yehya, markel
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13:38:32 [sharper]
zakim, ??P14 is sharper
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+sharper; got it
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zakim, agenda?
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I see 9 items remaining on the agenda:
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1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from shadi]
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2. Mobile Topics Update (Yeliz, Peter, Simon) [from shadi]
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3. Mobile Topic Wiki Clean Up - [from shadi]
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4. Current W3C Note Status (Giorgio, Markel, Josh, Shadi) [from shadi]
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5. Topic 3 Timelines - [from shadi]
13:38:46 [shadi]
regrets+ Peter
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6. Publication Format Redux - (Shadi's Report on Options) - [from shadi]
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7. Timelines / Schedule to 30th June 2013 (Simon) [from shadi]
13:38:52 [Zakim]
8. Issues and Actions: [from shadi]
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9. Any Other Business [from shadi]
13:39:03 [shadi]
zakim, mute me
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Shadi should now be muted
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ack me
13:39:13 [klaus]
Si: Regrets?
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "Mobile Topics Update (Yeliz, Peter, Simon)" taken up [from shadi]
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zakim, close agendum 1
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agendum 1, Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments), closed
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I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Mobile Topics Update (Yeliz, Peter, Simon) [from shadi]
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SH: Not a lot submissions.
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Shadi: 6 submissions so far
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scribe: klaus
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Simon: Pearson, IBM, Wald, Gonzales, ??, Forbs
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Simon: Extending needed
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Simon: Review process has to be done.
13:42:46 [klaus]
Shadi: Metrics had 11 submission
13:43:10 [shadi]
q+ to talk about mobile symposium format
13:43:16 [markel]
12 submissions, 11 papers accepted
13:43:16 [sharper]
ack s
13:43:16 [Zakim]
shadi, you wanted to talk about mobile symposium format
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ack me
13:43:21 [klaus]
Simon: But 6 papers are fine for a conference
13:43:54 [klaus]
Shadi: This time no presentations. Participants should read abstracts. PANEL DISCUSSION
13:44:30 [klaus]
Shadi: More room for questions, make more out of discussion. Papers as panelists.
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Shadi: Important role for scientific committee and symposium chairs to set up panel
13:45:30 [vivienne]
13:45:33 [vivienne]
ack me
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ack v
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13:45:48 [klaus]
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Vivienne supports the idea
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zakim, mute me
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vivienne should now be muted
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ack markel
13:46:33 [shadi]
zakim, mute me
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Shadi should now be muted
13:47:05 [klaus]
Markel: Questions to be prepared in advance and sent to speakers.
13:47:07 [shadi]
+1 to markel's idea
13:47:08 [Yehya]
13:47:11 [klaus]
zakim, mute me
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klaus should now be muted
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ack Yehya
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Yehya: How many reviewers per paper?
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Simon: Multiple can be done this time.
13:48:05 [shadi]
13:48:10 [markel]
2 reviewer sounds reasonable
13:48:13 [shadi]
"at least three reviewers"
13:49:11 [klaus]
Simon: We need more PR for topic 3 onwards
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Simon: Klaus to prepare a list of distribution points
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Klaus: yes
13:49:41 [shadi]
zakim, who is muted?
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I see klaus, vivienne, Shadi muted
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ack me
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13:49:56 [klaus]
zakim, unmute me
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klaus should no longer be muted
13:50:32 [sharper]
Action: sharper to Create list of distribution points for calls
13:50:32 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-18 - Create list of distribution points for calls [on Simon Harper - due 2012-05-16].
13:51:04 [klaus]
zakim, mute me
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klaus should now be muted
13:51:10 [shadi]
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ack me
13:51:48 [klaus]
Shadi: Wiki contact list might be useful
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Simon: agreed
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Shadi: e.g. AAATE, ICCHP, ... and others
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zakim, mute me
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Shadi should now be muted
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ack me
13:54:21 [klaus]
Action: sharper to clean up mobile
13:54:21 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-19 - Clean up mobile [on Simon Harper - due 2012-05-16].
13:54:59 [shadi]
zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4. "Current W3C Note Status (Giorgio, Markel, Josh, Shadi)" taken up [from shadi]
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zakim, close agendum 2
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agendum 2, Mobile Topics Update (Yeliz, Peter, Simon), closed
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I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. Mobile Topic Wiki Clean Up - [from shadi]
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13:55:59 [klaus]
Shadi: Only thing missing: appendices with papers
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ack m
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Markel: Decision on how to store the proceedings?
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Simon: Appendices to W3C note
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13:58:37 [klaus]
Shadi: Not decided - back and forward; discussions to include in main body; minutes to be revisited
13:59:35 [klaus]
Simon: That's for future design. For this topic we are unhappy with appendices - devalue papers ...
14:00:23 [klaus]
Shadi: Papers should not be in main body ... W3C notes must highlight that this is external work
14:01:00 [klaus]
Shadi: Oppinion - best way to go is appendices, but not naming it appendices
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Shadi: Clear note what they are
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Markel: Why not "proceedings" instead of appendices
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Shadi: o.k.: Proceedings ... Paper 1, Paper 2, ...
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Markel: How to cite?
14:03:27 [klaus]
Simon: yes, not sure; perhaps enough when they are on the site
14:03:56 [klaus]
Simon: As long as they can be cited correctly - fine
14:04:49 [klaus]
Markel: They have to be stored permanently. Perhaps a list of pointers (as in references), but they are out of context - not related to symposium
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ack s
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ack me
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Simon: List of papers with citations to make them visible
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Shadi: Likes idea - intro should highlight this in a description of symposium and how we want them to be cited.
14:06:30 [klaus]
Shadi: Consent of authors needed for that.
14:07:08 [klaus]
Simon: Preference would be - citation is BibTeX to know how things are cited.
14:07:49 [klaus]
Simon: Instead of asking authors inviting them. As long as they to not ask for no need to make them appendices
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Simon: Important to outline how to cite them
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Simon: Resolution setion at beginning lists papers and points to the page
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Action: Markel to carry this out
14:09:14 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-20 - Carry this out [on Markel Vigo - due 2012-05-16].
14:10:02 [shadi]
14:10:16 [klaus]
Shadi: Updated draft expected from editors, for metrics page Markes to send text
14:10:30 [shadi]
+1 to both
14:10:39 [klaus]
Markel: Do we want to have bibTeX on page or link
14:10:45 [klaus]
Simon: both please
14:11:18 [klaus]
Markel: DVLB?
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14:11:38 [klaus]
Simon: We should aks them to index it
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14:11:57 [vivienne]
14:11:58 [klaus]
14:12:01 [shadi]
14:12:03 [shadi]
ack me
14:12:54 [klaus]
Shadi: do we need to do something in formating before contacting DBLP?
14:13:30 [klaus]
Markel: Regarding Google scholar something has to be done as last symposium is not included.
14:13:59 [klaus]
Shadi: Dublin Core inside the code should allow Google to index it.
14:14:37 [klaus]
Shadi: BibTeX page is required. Let Shadi know what is needed in design to get picked up by scientific indexers
14:15:04 [klaus]
Simon: DBLP should solve this
14:15:27 [klaus]
Markel: Should be the fastest way
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14:16:35 [shadi]
zakim, take up agendum 6
14:16:35 [Zakim]
agendum 6. "Publication Format Redux - (Shadi's Report on Options) -" taken up [from shadi]
14:17:32 [klaus]
Shadi: Volunteer for visual aspect. Out of WAI-Act some more research to be better picked up - also for visual design
14:17:51 [shadi]
zakim, take up agendum 7
14:17:51 [Zakim]
agendum 7. "Timelines / Schedule to 30th June 2013 (Simon)" taken up [from shadi]
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zakim, take up agendum 9
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agendum 9. "Any Other Business" taken up [from shadi]
14:19:01 [klaus]
Shadi: Symposium chairs to contact scientific committee to assign papers
14:19:27 [klaus]
Simon: emails Alice and Peter to sort it out
14:20:14 [klaus]
Shadi: Likes idea of Markel to have questions ahead of time. Perhaps scientific committee to join RDWG call
14:20:34 [klaus]
Markel: Also audience to put in questions.
14:21:02 [klaus]
Shadi: 3 stages: a) feedback to authors by scientific committee
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Shadi: b) Group to define questions to the panel.
14:21:45 [klaus]
Shadi: c) Audiences to contribute after paper and panel ist set later in the process
14:22:22 [klaus]
Markel: We should come up with questions in a meeting after reading papers
14:23:01 [klaus]
Shadi: in 2 or 3 weeks - define what we want as output. Call with scientific committee
14:23:47 [klaus]
Simon: Easy by using OpenConf. We could ad a field for questions for the panel session.
14:24:37 [klaus]
Simon: Will go on with distribution of papers.
14:24:38 [vivienne]
thanks, bye
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thanks, bye
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WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended
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Attendees were Shadi, Yehya, markel, vivienne, klaus, sharper
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trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
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sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 3 open action items saved in :
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ACTION: sharper to Create list of distribution points for calls [1]
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recorded in
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ACTION: sharper to clean up mobile [2]
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recorded in
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ACTION: Markel to carry this out [3]
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recorded in
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