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Internationalization Core Working Group Teleconference

09 May 2012

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Addison_Phillips, Gwyneth, andrewc, Richard, matial, Norbert
Regrets
Felix, David
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison Phillips

Contents


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<trackbot> Date: 09 May 2012

<scribe> Scribe: Addison Phillips

<scribe> ScribeNick: aphillip

Agenda and Minutes

Info Share

gwyneth: new turkish lira
... UTC accepted it in Unicode 6.2
... U+20BA

Action Items

<Gwyneth> Turkish lira: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_lira_sign

close ACTION-63

<trackbot> ACTION-63 File accepted as accepted and unreviewed comments as provisional closed

<r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

close ACTION-115

<trackbot> ACTION-115 Review IRI bidi spec for two weeks from now closed

close ACTION-122

<trackbot> ACTION-122 Check on <bdi> support in IE10 closed

gwyeth: limited support
... tried it, talked to Adrian
... didn't work as specified
... unlikely to make it into IE10
... some folks will follow up for future versions

Segmentation character

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012May/0011.html

See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012May/0071.html could I get the mandate from i18n core to write the following mail to Helena Chapman (ULI chair)? "Please do not move forward with the standardization of a segmentation marker, as mentioned in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012May/0071.html without consulting the W3C i18n core working group. I think that discussion whether a new character (or

<Najib> /leave

wording could be improved from "do not move forward"?

possibly both us and MW WG

<scribe> ACTION: felix: write an appropriately reworded email to ULI expressing concern about the SEGEMENTATION character [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/05/09-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-124 - Write an appropriately reworded email to ULI expressing concern about the SEGEMENTATION character [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-05-16].

Rechartering

Ruby use cases

richard: koji sent some comments, but is a key person for this discussion and not on call

addison: publish FPWD?

richard: at least another week

re-action everyone to look at it

addison: will remind everyone in separate email after this call

Bidi markup

richard: any comments?A

gwyneth: bdi tag worked if contents were pure rtl or ltr
... but a mixed run segment didn't work
... in IE10

richard: current wekbit isolates stuff, but doesn't apply auto direction
... so stuff like "C++" doesn't work

<Gwyneth> HTML4: <p>we found the phrase '<span dir="rtl">פעילות בינלאומית</span>&lrm;' 5 times on the page.</p>

gwyeth: <span> is isolating in HTML4

<Gwyneth> HTML5: <p>we found the phrase '<a href="..."><bdi dir="rtl">פעילות בינלאומית</bdi></a>' 5 times on the page.</p>

richard: how can we help?
... if HTML5 is used more extensively in the user experience, this'll be more important

gwyneth: will try to influence decision

HTML5 comments and responses

http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/5

http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/84

http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/148

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16990

Checked in as WHATWG revision r7095. Check-in comment: make terminology less confusing http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=7094&to=7095

norbert to check for satisfaction

Info Share of the Norbert Flavor

norbert: working on ecmascript
... i18n update
... no big changes
... but discussion on 21 may
... at TC 39

<Norbert> http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=globalization:specification_drafts

norbert: a whole day reserved for us. see above link
... also updated draft for supplementary character support

<Norbert> http://norbertlindenberg.com/2012/05/ecmascript-supplementary-characters/index.html

norbert: express support for sooner rather than later?

<scribe> ACTION: addison: (AND ALL GROUP MEMBERS) review ecmascript supplementary draft for endorsement next week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/05/09-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-125 - (AND ALL GROUP MEMBERS) review ecmascript supplementary draft for endorsement next week [on Addison Phillips - due 2012-05-16].

norbert: read in detail the globalization spec, please?

AOB?

Rechartering

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/2012/05/i18n-recharter/core-charter.html

richard: need input on REC track documents
... presumably the encoding document
... generally folks agree that stuff like techniques documents should not go to REC track
... documents in gray area are CharMod-Norm, CharMode-Resid
... downside of REC is that it must go through CR
... requires tests
... takes time, hard to modify document

addison: maybe LTLI?

richard: JLReq?

addison: review ruby annotation spec?

richard: will work on editing this charter, please share ideas Real Soon Now

AOB?

richard: contribute to the attribute discussion thread
... should I contact Hixie about feasibility of proposing?
... do that informally?

<scribe> ACTION: richard: contact Ian H. about feasibility of adding attributes for bidi isolation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/05/09-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-126 - Contact Ian H. about feasibility of adding attributes for bidi isolation [on Richard Ishida - due 2012-05-16].

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: (AND ALL GROUP MEMBERS) review ecmascript supplementary draft for endorsement next week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/05/09-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: felix: write an appropriately reworded email to ULI expressing concern about the SEGEMENTATION character [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/05/09-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: contact Ian H. about feasibility of adding attributes for bidi isolation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/05/09-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
 
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